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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1860 on: April 16, 2018, 02:53:36 pm »
At a legitimate news organization, Hannity’s failure to disclose that he was Michael Cohen’s unnamed third client would be grounds for immediate termination. 


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« Reply #1861 on: April 16, 2018, 03:18:06 pm »
Yeah, what another fucked up element to the plot.  Fox won't give a shit, but makes one wonder who Hannity has fathered and/or what what woman might have had him by the balls.   

Further proof that Hannity is an idiot.  Seriously, isn't there a real attorney he could hire with all his money.  Or maybe, this was just a perk offered by Cohen, a quid pro quo for all Hannity's propaganda.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1862 on: April 16, 2018, 03:29:07 pm »
legitimate news organization

Well, Fox News is one of those words.

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« Reply #1863 on: April 16, 2018, 03:35:01 pm »
Well, Fox News is one of those words.

I think they just play one on TV.
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« Reply #1864 on: April 16, 2018, 04:15:32 pm »
Interesting New Yorker piece from this weekend.

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« Reply #1865 on: April 16, 2018, 04:45:58 pm »
At a legitimate news organization, Hannity’s failure to disclose that he was Michael Cohen’s unnamed third client would be grounds for immediate termination. 

This is fucking awesome!*

* As long as it doesn’t lead to discussions of Hannity’s proclivities. 
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« Reply #1866 on: April 16, 2018, 04:47:07 pm »
Yeah, what another fucked up element to the plot.  Fox won't give a shit, but makes one wonder who Hannity has fathered and/or what what woman might have had him by the balls.   

Further proof that Hannity is an idiot.  Seriously, isn't there a real attorney he could hire with all his money.  Or maybe, this was just a perk offered by Cohen, a quid pro quo for all Hannity's propaganda.

“Other” attorneys may not have wanted to touch Hannity with a 10 foot pole. 
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« Reply #1867 on: April 16, 2018, 04:54:03 pm »
Interesting New Yorker piece from this weekend.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1868 on: April 16, 2018, 04:56:32 pm »
Hannity on Twitter:
“Michael Cohen has never represented me in any matter. I never retained him, received an invoice, or paid legal fees. I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective.”

How much of that do you think the FBI already knows to be bullshit?
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1869 on: April 16, 2018, 05:41:33 pm »
I don't actually have trouble believing that. Hannity's an idiot for asking Cohen's advice on anything, but I don't see a reason to believe they had a relationship of any significance.

(for entertainment's sake, I do hope I'm wrong about this)


Edit: I'm going to clarify and say it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cohen helped Hannity make a hush payment to someone. I just think it's very, very possible this is nothing.
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« Reply #1870 on: April 16, 2018, 06:14:40 pm »
Hannity on Twitter:
“Michael Cohen has never represented me in any matter. I never retained him, received an invoice, or paid legal fees. I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective.”

How much of that do you think the FBI already knows to be bullshit?

I'm starting to wonder how Cohen earns a living... apparently he not only works for free, but hands out hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to random strangers just for the hell of it. 
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« Reply #1871 on: April 16, 2018, 06:26:39 pm »
I'm starting to wonder how Cohen earns a living... apparently he not only works for free, but hands out hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to random strangers just for the hell of it.

Taxi medallions.  The classic NYC scam.
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« Reply #1872 on: April 16, 2018, 06:37:58 pm »
I'm starting to wonder how Cohen earns a living... apparently he not only works for free, but hands out hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to random strangers just for the hell of it.

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« Reply #1873 on: April 16, 2018, 07:50:46 pm »
“Contingency fee?
No - money down!”

...no attorney-client privilege. 
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1874 on: April 17, 2018, 06:04:41 am »
While we may never know why Hannity consulted a lawyer whose specialty appears to be facilitating payoffs to the concubines of rich men, I’m sure Mrs Hannity will want to know. 


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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1875 on: April 17, 2018, 07:14:55 am »
I don't actually have trouble believing that. Hannity's an idiot for asking Cohen's advice on anything, but I don't see a reason to believe they had a relationship of any significance.

(for entertainment's sake, I do hope I'm wrong about this)


Edit: I'm going to clarify and say it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cohen helped Hannity make a hush payment to someone. I just think it's very, very possible this is nothing.

It’s worth remembering that Hannity’s name was brought up by Cohen’s lawyers, saying that he was a proper client in order to bolster their defense that Cohen is a proper lawyer.  Hannity’s claim contradicts that, although he did also say that he may have casually given Cohen “10 bucks”, which is a token sum that courts have upheld as enough to establish an attorney-client relationship. 

So either Cohen’s lawyers are lying in court or Hannity is lying on Twitter.  Or both.  But it can’t be neither. 
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1876 on: April 17, 2018, 07:17:44 am »
I'm starting to wonder how Cohen earns a living... apparently he not only works for free, but hands out hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to random strangers just for the hell of it.

He certainly seems to have been left out of the public money orgy going on in Washington.   I wonder if that made him even a little bit resentful...
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1877 on: April 17, 2018, 08:48:24 am »
It’s worth remembering that Hannity’s name was brought up by Cohen’s lawyers, saying that he was a proper client in order to bolster their defense that Cohen is a proper lawyer.  Hannity’s claim contradicts that, although he did also say that he may have casually given Cohen “10 bucks”, which is a token sum that courts have upheld as enough to establish an attorney-client relationship. 

So either Cohen’s lawyers are lying in court or Hannity is lying on Twitter.  Or both.  But it can’t be neither.

There's no requirement that money change hands to form the attorney-client privilege.  The only requirement is from the client's perspective communications were made with a lawyer for the purpose of securing legal advice. 

It's fairly obvious that Hannity sought legal advice from Cohen, even to the point that he asked Cohen not to reveal his identity.  It's also perfectly plausible that Cohen didn't do much in the way of providing legal services beyond a few conversations and his lawyers overstated the extent of his Hannity file in order to recover the seized records. 
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1878 on: April 17, 2018, 09:34:05 am »
There's no requirement that money change hands to form the attorney-client privilege.  The only requirement is from the client's perspective communications were made with a lawyer for the purpose of securing legal advice. 

It's fairly obvious that Hannity sought legal advice from Cohen, even to the point that he asked Cohen not to reveal his identity.  It's also perfectly plausible that Cohen didn't do much in the way of providing legal services beyond a few conversations and his lawyers overstated the extent of his Hannity file in order to recover the seized records.

One if the things that constantly gets hammered into us from the work lawyers is that privilege isn’t automatic and it isn’t universal. Not all attorney-client communication is privileged,even if you claim it. It must be legal advice, directly relevant to an ongoing or in reasonable anticipation of a legal matter in which the “client” is involved.  It’s actualy pretty narrow in scope. I assume this is applicable here, which suggests that anything that survives the privilege scrutiny must be serious enough to warrant it, or perhaps something else was up. What say you, counselor?
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1879 on: April 17, 2018, 09:44:51 am »
One if the things that constantly gets hammered into us from the work lawyers is that privilege isn’t automatic and it isn’t universal. Not all attorney-client communication is privileged,even if you claim it. It must be legal advice, directly relevant to an ongoing or in reasonable anticipation of a legal matter in which the “client” is involved.  It’s actualy pretty narrow in scope. I assume this is applicable here, which suggests that anything that survives the privilege scrutiny must be serious enough to warrant it, or perhaps something else was up. What say you, counselor?

Whether a communication is privileged is fairly specific inquiry in to the nature, circumstances, and intent of the communication. 
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