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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1380 on: December 05, 2017, 05:10:07 pm »
John Dowd, Trump's lawyer who for some reason which I cannot fathom is claiming that he authored Trump's twitter confession to obstruction of justice, is the same John Dowd of the Dowd Report which summarized the investigation into Pete Rose's gambling.  He has other baseball connections too:

I have seen pundits make the point that the tweet being authored by Trump's attorney gives it more weight, not less.  Also, the tweet and the public statements about who wrote it are not subject to privilege, so Mueller can put Dowd under oath and ask him if he really did write it.   Either way it appears he's in a no win situation ethically.  Also, if he really wrote it, he would've been fired by now.

Once again, a Trump lawyer may need a lawyer.  They're going to run out of people prepared to jump into this legal minefield.  I saw a tweet that reminded those in Trump's orbit that, while 15 of Nixon's staff went to jail over Watergate, Nixon himself walked scott free...
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1381 on: December 06, 2017, 12:53:09 pm »
I have seen pundits make the point that the tweet being authored by Trump's attorney gives it more weight, not less.  Also, the tweet and the public statements about who wrote it are not subject to privilege, so Mueller can put Dowd under oath and ask him if he really did write it.   Either way it appears he's in a no win situation ethically.  Also, if he really wrote it, he would've been fired by now.

Once again, a Trump lawyer may need a lawyer.  They're going to run out of people prepared to jump into this legal minefield.  I saw a tweet that reminded those in Trump's orbit that, while 15 of Nixon's staff went to jail over Watergate, Nixon himself walked scott free...

Someone pointed out last night that the language of the tweet - "pled guilty" - pretty much rules out Dowd authoring it; any 1L would say "pleaded guilty".
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1382 on: December 06, 2017, 04:02:40 pm »
Someone pointed out last night that the language of the tweet - "pled guilty" - pretty much rules out Dowd authoring it; any 1L would say "pleaded guilty".

Is anyone really falling for the "my lawyer wrote it" defense?

SNL had it right that every week is so chock full of front page, administration-ending news that 75% of it gets bumped to the social pages.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1383 on: December 07, 2017, 09:41:35 am »
Trump Jr. spent 8 hours on Capitol Hill yesterday, testifying to the House Intelligence Committee.  It was a closed-door session, so there's not going to be a transcript or any discussion of what he said, but that doesn't mean that committee members can't talk about what he didn't say.

Jr. was asked if he'd ever discussed the June '16 meeting with various Bond villains Russians.  He said he had, but that he would not say what he discussed because of Attorney-Client privilege;  there were attorneys in the room at the time, apparently.

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« Reply #1384 on: December 07, 2017, 10:23:25 am »
Those Hill hearings don't mean shit.  The fucking jokes in charge of the committee could care less.  Just going through the motions.  "OK, Donnie, can't remember on that one, check, next question."  Lame ass theater.

It's all up to Mueller's investigation, and the fuckers ruining the country are now trying to tear him down.  All in the name of propping up this piece of shit called Trump.  History will be very unkind to the cowards who failed to oversee, and to all their citizen enablers (Trump's base).

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« Reply #1385 on: December 07, 2017, 03:34:05 pm »
Trump Jr. spent 8 hours on Capitol Hill yesterday, testifying to the House Intelligence Committee.  It was a closed-door session, so there's not going to be a transcript or any discussion of what he said, but that doesn't mean that committee members can't talk about what he didn't say.

Jr. was asked if he'd ever discussed the June '16 meeting with various Bond villains Russians.  He said he had, but that he would not say what he discussed because of Attorney-Client privilege;  there were attorneys in the room at the time, apparently.

TZ lawyers......GO!

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« Reply #1386 on: December 07, 2017, 03:48:16 pm »
Trump Jr. spent 8 hours on Capitol Hill yesterday, testifying to the House Intelligence Committee.  It was a closed-door session, so there's not going to be a transcript or any discussion of what he said, but that doesn't mean that committee members can't talk about what he didn't say.

Jr. was asked if he'd ever discussed the June '16 meeting with various Bond villains Russians.  He said he had, but that he would not say what he discussed because of Attorney-Client privilege;  there were attorneys in the room at the time, apparently.

TZ lawyers......GO!

I hope they asked him who the lawyer was and they bring him in next.
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« Reply #1387 on: December 07, 2017, 03:54:44 pm »
I hope they asked him who the lawyer was and they bring him in next.

He wouldn't be able to tell because it was confidential.  And anyway nobody can tell lawyers apart. 
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« Reply #1388 on: December 07, 2017, 07:05:10 pm »
Trump Jr. spent 8 hours on Capitol Hill yesterday, testifying to the House Intelligence Committee.  It was a closed-door session, so there's not going to be a transcript or any discussion of what he said, but that doesn't mean that committee members can't talk about what he didn't say.

Jr. was asked if he'd ever discussed the June '16 meeting with various Bond villains Russians.  He said he had, but that he would not say what he discussed because of Attorney-Client privilege;  there were attorneys in the room at the time, apparently.

TZ lawyers......GO!

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« Reply #1389 on: December 13, 2017, 08:07:16 am »
I will eat my confederate flag do-rag if those Alabama pig fuckers don't vote for Moore in overwhelming numbers.


I think a pairing with ranch is appropriate.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1390 on: December 14, 2017, 09:50:16 am »
I think a pairing with ranch is appropriate.

To be fair, white people still voted for Moore in overwhelming numbers.  I think that's who chuck was referencing.

It was the overwhelming turnout and overwhelming support for Jones from the African-American communities that tipped the balance.
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« Reply #1391 on: December 14, 2017, 09:51:36 am »
And anyway nobody can tell lawyers apart.

Roy Moore makes his Jew lawyer wear a yellow star so he knows which one it is.
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« Reply #1392 on: December 14, 2017, 10:50:03 am »
So glad he lost. This is a giant step in the proper direction. Southern change gonna come at last. Hallelujah!
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« Reply #1393 on: December 14, 2017, 11:15:17 am »
So glad he lost. This is a giant step in the proper direction. Southern change gonna come at last. Hallelujah!

One thing I think I haven't seen discussed much is the failure of the Voter ID law to continue suppressing the minority vote.  Alabama's has been in place since 2011 and so it's been through a number of election cycles already.  With African-Americans making up 25% of the population but 30% of the electorate on Tuesday, it seems that the effectiveness of the law has an expiry date.  Those who were originally disenfranchised by it appear to have obtained an approved ID and are using it against those who took away their vote in the first place.

If the same is true in Texas, Ted Cruz is in a lot of trouble.
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« Reply #1394 on: Yesterday at 07:38:39 am »
One thing I think I haven't seen discussed much is the failure of the Voter ID law to continue suppressing the minority vote.  Alabama's has been in place since 2011 and so it's been through a number of election cycles already.  With African-Americans making up 25% of the population but 30% of the electorate on Tuesday, it seems that the effectiveness of the law has an expiry date.  Those who were originally disenfranchised by it appear to have obtained an approved ID and are using it against those who took away their vote in the first place.

If the same is true in Texas, Ted Cruz is in a lot of trouble.

While African-Americans don't make up 30% of the electorate in Texas, Hispanics do.  I think Teddy is in a heap of trouble.

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« Reply #1395 on: Yesterday at 08:46:13 am »
While African-Americans don't make up 30% of the electorate in Texas, Hispanics do.  I think Teddy is in a heap of trouble.

Yeah, we're a majority-minority state.  HIspanics aren't the reliable 90+% Democratic voting bloc that African-Americans are, but DACA repeal, border walls and general racist shit-baggery coming from the White House is a stank that's going to be hard to run clear of.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #1396 on: Yesterday at 08:53:55 am »
Profiles in Courage:  Paul Ryan

He's not going to run for re-election in 2018.  So, he's going to ram through this deeply unpopular tax bill (that gets more unpopular by the day and will be a disaster if implemented) and then run for the hills.  What a humongous douchebag.  The expectation is that he's trying to avoid getting too much Trump on him so that he can run for Prez in 2020 or, more likely, 2024.  In the meantime, he can sit and snipe from the sidelines like the spineless piece of shit he truly is.

Ideally for Ryan, Trump will lose in 2020 to a Democrat who - being a grown up like Obama and Clinton before that - will try and fix the black hole at the center of the federal budget called the Tax and Jobs Act - and then Ryan can run against said Democrat as someone who will cut the job-killing tax increases just implemented by the Democrat-in-Chief.  It may well work too.  It's so weird that he has this reputation of being a wonk and a thinker, when he's really not at all bright; just craven, baby-faced and the tallest pygmy in the GOP.

I fucking hate Paul Ryan.
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« Reply #1397 on: Yesterday at 09:14:27 am »
2018 arithmetic:

Trump appears to be all out of political juice.  He's backed three losers in a row and is more underwater in the polls than the Titanic.  The spectre of Doug Jones has just handed the levers of power to any number of moderate Republican senators who will be able to torpedo any bill going forward and so will be able to extract maximum compensation for a "yes" vote.  Ryan's apparent decision not to run for re-election in 2018 means that his House caucus has little or no reason to support him.

Meanwhile, the average swing to Democrats in recent elections - even in races they lost because the existing deficit was too large to overcome - is 10%.  That puts about 40 House Republicans in serious danger of being ousted by an energized electorate and a Democratic Party that finds itself awash with quality candidates.  For example, in 2018 Democrats will contest every district in Texas; the first time this has happened in 25 years.  When they did this in the Virginia state races, they erased an unassailable Republican majority with a 32% swing - partly the result of many counties having a Democrat to vote for on the ballot for the first time in forever.

So, the tax bill is the canary in this coalmine.  Corker has already balked and now Rubio - likely trying to preserve credibility for another Presidential run - is now saying he's out because they took the 1% he wanted added back to the corporate tax rate that he wanted to use to expand the child tax credit and used it to lower the top tax rate; yeah, they're that cunty.  Flake has been getting shit on this while Collins and Murkowski must be seeing how this story ends for them if they go along.  Also, John McCain is in hospital in Arizona although he says he expects to be able to attend the vote next week. 

(That will be a towering moment of juxtaposition as a man receiving tax-payer funded cancer treatment rises from his hospital bed to cast a vote to take away cancer treatment from Medicaid patients and throw 13 million people off health insurance.  Will McCain really seal the death of his reputation in support of these clowns?)

McConnell et al are now on life-support, and also now have an actual time crunch (as opposed to the self-imposed time crunch of trying to get this bill passed before the year ends and before people had a chance to read it) as he won't be able to deny Doug Jones his senate seat forever.  Mike Pence cancelled an official visit (to India, I think) in order to be around to break a tie - so as to add this to the long list of bills crashed through 51/50, 5/4 or 3/2 (in the case of net neutrality).  Because...democracy.
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« Reply #1398 on: Yesterday at 09:28:31 am »
One more thing for the day:  uber-Christian Mike Pence is a pariah in the Middle East because of Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.  This has thrown a giant wrench into his Middle East tour such that Christian leaders are refusing to meet with him and his planned visit to the subterranean shrine in Bethlehem said to be the birthplace of Jesus...has been cancelled.

Awesome!
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« Reply #1399 on: Yesterday at 10:45:38 am »

(That will be a towering moment of juxtaposition as a man receiving tax-payer funded cancer treatment rises from his hospital bed to cast a vote to take away cancer treatment from Medicaid patients and throw 13 million people off health insurance.  Will McCain really seal the death of his reputation in support of these clowns?)


Let's not forget the venality of someone with a likely fatal medical condition who happens to be worth over $20 million dollars voting for a bill that will (1) throw 13 million people off health insurance (2) make graduate school significantly if not prohibitively more expensive for the very people researching cures for that condition that could benefit others in the future and (3) either scrap the estate tax altogether or extend it to $20 million for his soon to be heirs (assuming he bequeaths directly to his kids and not his wife who herself is worth over $100 million). 
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