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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2016, 11:21:18 am »
Wow.  That's even more nonsensical than bigly.

Correct.  See also "second amendment people" and "very against police judge".
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2016, 11:54:13 am »
"I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that's true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester, and certainly cyber is one of them."
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2016, 01:12:16 pm »
"I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that's true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester, and certainly cyber is one of them."

Now who can argue with that.  I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to Donald Trump Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said.  Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it exhibited a courage seldom seen in this day and age. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2016, 04:02:42 pm »
The only poll I pay attention to is the Five Thirty Eight poll and right now it has her at 66 to 33. She is in fact pulling away, at least for the moment.

By the way, I don't think Trump's support always and necessarily equates to a hatred of Hillary. Obviously forty something percent of voters will vote for the Republican regardless of who he or she is. Some similar percentage of voters will support the Democrat. I don't think the polarization has anything to do in particular with either candidate.

There's a gulf between "Trump supporters" and "Trump voters", just like there is between "Clinton supporters" and "Clinton voters." This election has a large amount of "My guy/gal sucks, but yours sucks worse" to it.  There won't be a whole lot of people happy with who they vote for on election day.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2016, 04:08:55 pm »
There's a gulf between "Trump supporters" and "Trump voters", just like there is between "Clinton supporters" and "Clinton voters." This election has a large amount of "My guy/gal sucks, but yours sucks worse" to it.  There won't be a whole lot of people happy with who they vote for on election day.

I'll be curious to see the numbers after the election of the college Bernie supporters voting.  Right now I'm hearing utter apathy and disregard for the election.
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2016, 04:34:49 pm »
There's a gulf between "Trump supporters" and "Trump voters", just like there is between "Clinton supporters" and "Clinton voters." This election has a large amount of "My guy/gal sucks, but yours sucks worse" to it.  There won't be a whole lot of people happy with who they vote for on election day.

That's been the case for a very long time, the gulf between voters and supporters. You'd have to go back to maybe Bill Clinton's first election to find voters and supporters in more or less equal measure. I guess Obama's first election, too. There was a different feel eight years ago, certainly. But I've been hearing the lesser of two evils talk for almost fifty years. You might argue that it's more pronounced this time around and you might be right, but I don't necessarily think so. I know lots of conservatives were unhappy with Romney and I know lots of progressives were unhappy with Obama four years ago.

I suppose my point, in so far as I have one, is that this is a fairly normal election in most respects other than one candidate has been under public scrutiny for almost thirty years and the other candidate attracts media attention like a giant turd attracts horse flies.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2016, 10:01:30 am »
I'll be curious to see the numbers after the election of the college Bernie supporters voting.  Right now I'm hearing utter apathy and disregard for the election.

A giant part of life is simply showing up and doing your work. Sanders and Trump both engaged a lot of people who are eligible to vote, but don't normally vote.  You recall both did much better in open primary states than in closed (only people previously declared to the party) or caucus states. Turnout is always a key factor, but more so this year.

A quick google shows % of eligible voters that voted for president was 49% in 1996, 50.3% in 2000, 55.7% in 2004, 57.1% in 2008 and 54.9% in 2012.  When you consider how slim the margins are, anyone that can tap into that 40-45% of people that don't normally vote would have a huge advantage. However, if they have a history of not voting, they won't be as likely this time either. Even getting one in ten of those to show up and vote for you would be 4-5% more on election day, and that's enough to push over almost all swing states.

The 538 site gives Trump a 91% chance of winning Texas, so what any of us decide is moot. There are far more elections pending than just president, of course. I've voted libertarian for president since 1988, but Johnson's a bigger idiot than the idiots they usually run so I'm planning to vote for a buddy in NC that joked he was running for president. I told him I trust him enough that if he fucked me he'd at least give me flowers, and that's not true of the major candidates.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2016, 10:18:04 am »
Johnson seems like a good, honest guy, but...

I read weeks ago where he took time away from weed, so as to be at the "top of his game."  Then came his latest gaffes, making me wonder what his normal game is.

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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2016, 10:29:19 am »
A giant part of life is simply showing up and doing your work. Sanders and Trump both engaged a lot of people who are eligible to vote, but don't normally vote.  You recall both did much better in open primary states that in closed (only people previously declared to the party) or caucus states. Turnout is always a key factor, but more so this year.

A quick google shows % of eligible voters that voted for president was 49% in 1996, 50.3% in 2000, 55.7% in 2004, 57.1% in 2008 and 54.9% in 2012.  When you consider how slim the margins are, anyone that can tap into that 40-45% of people that don't normally vote would have a huge advantage. However, if they have a history of not voting, they won't be as likely this time either. Even getting one in ten of those to show up and vote for you would be 4-5% more on election day, and that's enough to push over almost all swing states.

The 538 site gives Trump a 91% chance of winning Texas, so what any of us decide is moot. There are far more elections pending than just president, of course. I've voted libertarian for president since 1988, but Johnson's a bigger idiot than the idiots they usually run so I'm planning to vote for a buddy in NC that joked he was running for president. I told him I trust him enough that if he fucked me he'd at least give me flowers, and that's not true of the major candidates.

The DNC has pushed a lot of college students to third party candidates or not voting at all.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2016, 10:43:19 am »
The candidate whose credentials are based almost entirely on his business acumen, lost $1bn in a single year during one of the largest sustained economic booms this country has seen...on casinos.
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« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2016, 11:03:04 am »
The candidate whose credentials are based almost entirely on his business acumen, lost $1bn in a single year during one of the largest sustained economic booms this country has seen...on casinos.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2016, 11:15:12 am »
Do you have a point?

Nah.  Just joining in the 2016 trend of free range word salad.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2016, 11:46:26 am »
Nah.  Just joining in the 2016 trend of free range word salad.

How about some Benghazi dressing topped with a handful of Parkinson's croutons?
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2016, 03:14:31 pm »
How about some Benghazi dressing topped with a handful of Parkinson's croutons?

Sure.  And a nice, clear glass of white water, or maybe soda water as it's better at getting stains out of dresses. 
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2016, 04:11:44 pm »
Sure.  And a nice, clear glass of white water, or maybe soda water as it's better at getting stains out of dresses.

I like what you did there!!!
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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2016, 04:33:44 pm »
I like what you did there!!!

That's not what she said.
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2016, 11:45:21 pm »
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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2016, 08:03:38 pm »
FWI, don't Google do a generic web search for, "hand on the pussy in locker room." Fair warning.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2016, 08:14:58 pm »
FWI, don't Google do a generic web search for, "hand on the pussy in locker room." Fair warning.

I've been on the interwebs long enough to know when someone says "don't search on this" I take them at their word. Some things can not be unseen.

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2016, 09:13:27 am »
FWI, don't Google do a generic web search for, "hand on the pussy in locker room." Fair warning.

I am still trying to recover from a Google search on a tropical storm when I typed in "TS Maria".
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