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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2016, 10:32:45 am »
This is so depressing.

Against my better judgment I enlisted in a forum the other day about the election instigated by an email from Kiplingers--that's half a day's work down the drain. The level of self-delusion among the Trumpistas is staggering, and the unanimous contempt in which they hold the "liberal media" gives them carte blanche to assemble their own reality wholesale.

What is this country going to look like on November 9th?

Say the G.O.P. manages to hang on to the House: their ranks will likely be thinned only of the quote-unquote moderates, making for an even more unruly, combative majority. Does Ryan maintain his Speakership? Do they condemn President Clinton as illegitimate? Are they chastened at all?

If he does keep his job, the only laws passed in Clinton's first term will be (as has been the case for the past six years) done with the help of the democratic minority over the objections of his caucus. Which...that situation can't last. How long until they're in open revolt against him? How long until a Blake Farenthold ("Sometimes I don't agree with everything I say!") is speaker, calling for impeachment?

Interesting discussion on fivethirtyeight about how the white nationalist segment of the G.O.P. is now their primary constituency: cultural conservatives rather than social or fiscal conservatives. After the election, could we see this arrangement formally recognized in the formation of a new party?

Finally--as I try to stifle terrified laughter--what are the odds Trump goes gracefully? (here is a disturbing and fascinating conversation with several of his biographers about that topic, and others. ["He doesn't think," says one.]) And what does it mean for us if he doesn't?

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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2016, 11:28:34 am »
Finally--as I try to stifle terrified laughter--what are the odds Trump goes gracefully? (here is a disturbing and fascinating conversation with several of his biographers about that topic, and others. ["He doesn't think," says one.]) And what does it mean for us if he doesn't?

It means he'll continue to stir up the tinfoil hat wearing, John Birchers out there.  And they'll wail.  And talk show radio hosts will get rich egging them on.  The rest of us will continue on with our lives. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2016, 01:37:42 pm »
It means he'll continue to stir up the tinfoil hat wearing, John Birchers out there.  And they'll wail.  And talk show radio hosts will get rich egging them on.  The rest of us will continue on with our lives.

Right now Trump is aiming his message directly towards his most fervent tin foil hat wearing John Bircher and I'll add alt-white supporters.  And if he can just get 5 million of them to subscribe to the Trump News Network (the conservative alternative!) streaming service for $7.99 a month he'll do a hell of a lot better than he has in any of his real estate deals. 
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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2016, 02:01:51 pm »
Right now Trump is aiming his message directly towards his most fervent tin foil hat wearing John Bircher and I'll add alt-white supporters.  And if he can just get 5 million of them to subscribe to the Trump News Network (the conservative alternative!) streaming service for $7.99 a month he'll do a hell of a lot better than he has in any of his real estate deals.

I've often wondered if this whole run for President shtick was nothing but an excuse to start his own TV network, but he then won the nomination and went "oh shit, what do I do now?"
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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2016, 02:14:28 pm »
I don't know if Trump can charge Netflix prices when Alex Jones' youtube channel is free.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2016, 02:48:39 pm »
I've often wondered if this whole run for President shtick was nothing but an excuse to start his own TV network, but he then won the nomination and went "oh shit, what do I do now?"

Y'all are ascribing chess moves to a guy who would be utterly flummoxed by the strategy of Candy Land.


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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2016, 03:31:54 pm »
Y'all are ascribing chess moves to a guy who would be utterly flummoxed by the strategy of Candy Land.


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I don't think "Enter race; raise profile; profit" are any more chess moves than "collect underpants; _____; profit."

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« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2016, 09:27:14 am »
Interesting discussion on fivethirtyeight about how the white nationalist segment of the G.O.P. is now their primary constituency: cultural conservatives rather than social or fiscal conservatives. After the election, could we see this arrangement formally recognized in the formation of a new party?

Steve Schmidt (Woody Harrelson in the Palin movie) has opined that the Republican Party will split into a center-right party and an alt-right party.  The latter being monetized by Breitbart / Ailes and being a disruptive voting bloc along the lines of the UKIP.  Oh goody.
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« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2016, 09:37:02 am »
I've often wondered if this whole run for President shtick was nothing but an excuse to start his own TV network, but he then won the nomination and went "oh shit, what do I do now?"

Trump's business for over a decade now has not been real estate, it's been promoting and living off the Trump brand.  He hasn't built shit since about 2008; instead he has been licensing his name to be splashed across other people's developments in giant, gaudy lettering.  That, and his TV show.  That's it.

Well the TV show is gone, pretty much before he got to the caveat "...and some, I assume, are good people."  Now this dumpster fire of a campaign has destroyed his brand name.  For example, the new, lavish hotel in DC that bears his name was half-empty during the IMF summit, while every other hotel was sold out; why?  Because delegates could not countenance staying in a Trump-branded hotel.

His business, and maybe his personal life, may never recover from this.
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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2016, 10:28:34 am »
His business, and maybe his personal life, may never recover from this.

Every business he's tried to run he's run into the ground. He's famous for inheriting money.  He's the skanky version of Paris Hilton. He needs headlines. This has given it to him.
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« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2016, 03:05:33 pm »
Just in case you didn't think this God forsaken election couldn't get worse, Trump supporters are now yelling "lock her up" when he mentions the women he assaulted.


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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2016, 12:47:50 pm »
Just in case you didn't think this God forsaken election couldn't get worse, Trump supporters are now yelling "lock her up" when he mentions the women he assaulted.


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No, they were yelling "lock her up" when Trump exposed the crimes of Hillary Clinton.

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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2016, 01:15:18 pm »
No, they were yelling "lock her up" when Trump exposed the crimes of Hillary Clinton.

You mean the non existent crimes that everyone has painstakingly looked for but have never been able to find?  The non existent crimes for which Trump promises to use political power to imprison her anyway?  The non existent crimes for which Trump has called for her assassination should she win?
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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2016, 01:18:52 pm »
No, they were yelling "lock her up" when Trump exposed the crimes of Hillary Clinton.

No, I'm clear on which is which.


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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2016, 01:39:45 pm »
No, I'm clear on which is which.


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Well, you're going to have to give a reference to where you heard what you think you heard.. my reference is here:
https://youtu.be/mFMUZ7xvQfc

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« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2016, 10:55:26 pm »
I don't think "Enter race; raise profile; profit" are any more chess moves than "collect underpants; _____; profit."
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« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2016, 08:38:13 pm »
Well, you're going to have to give a reference to where you heard what you think you heard.. my reference is here:
https://youtu.be/mFMUZ7xvQfc

You have to provide a time stamp. 49 minutes (or seconds) of that piece of crap is far too much.

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« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2016, 10:08:30 pm »
You have to provide a time stamp. 49 minutes (or seconds) of that piece of crap is far too much.

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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2016, 09:41:17 am »
No, they were yelling "lock her up" when Trump exposed the crimes of Hillary Clinton.

You should it write it "crimes" since you are clearly not talking about any relevant or applicable criminal statutes. 

And what the fuck has Trump "exposed" (referring to any actions taken by Clinton, not as in "We wait, miserably, for the dong shot.")

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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2016, 09:43:01 am »
Well, you're going to have to give a reference to where you heard what you think you heard.. my reference is here:
https://youtu.be/mFMUZ7xvQfc


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/donald-trump-and-his-supporters-turn-on-sexual-harassment-accuse/

Mr Trump continued his belligerence in the face of the accusations and his supporters followed his cue, chanting “lock her up” at a rally in North Carolina as the Republican nominee disparaged Natasha Stoynoff, a former People Magazine reporter who claims he pushed her up against a wall and forcibly kissed her in 2005.
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