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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2016, 04:19:10 pm »
Sweet a guy who wants the government to spend money on curing gay. 
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« Reply #141 on: November 11, 2016, 04:43:04 pm »
Kasich is a tool. I voted for Trump, primarily for his anti-establishment message.

I'm curious to see just how much anti-establishment you get.
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« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2016, 04:47:18 pm »
I'm curious to see just how much anti-establishment you get.

Probably not much, but it was more than I would have expected from Hillary.
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« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2016, 04:55:00 pm »
Probably not much, but it was more than I would have expected from Hillary.

None of the anti-establishment, but all of the racism and xenophobia.  What a grand bargain. 
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« Reply #144 on: November 11, 2016, 05:09:11 pm »
None of the anti-establishment, but all of the racism and xenophobia.  What a grand bargain.

My vote was an anti-Hillary gesture. I believe her to be a threat to freedom and national security.
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« Reply #145 on: November 11, 2016, 05:18:15 pm »
Sweet a guy who wants the government to spend money on curing gay.

Let's be clear: by "curing", we're talking about "electrocuting".


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« Reply #146 on: November 11, 2016, 05:19:44 pm »
My vote was an anti-Hillary gesture. I believe her to be a threat to freedom and national security.

I can understand that. But a candidate who coordinates with foreign powers during the campaign and openly discusses using nuclear weapons on a first strike basis is a fairly big threat to national security.


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« Reply #147 on: November 11, 2016, 05:33:11 pm »
I can understand that. But a candidate who coordinates with foreign powers during the campaign and openly discusses using nuclear weapons on a first strike basis is a fairly big threat to national security.


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Don't forget wanting to start a war if rude gestures are made towards US armed forces, compared to a former senator and secretary of state who is liked and respected by the majority of world leaders. 

Happy - I'm curious when you made up your mind and whether the Comey letter had much of anything to do with that.
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« Reply #148 on: November 11, 2016, 07:30:34 pm »
None of the anti-establishment, but all of the racism and xenophobia.  What a grand bargain. 

All of the idiots are coming out of the woodwork now. I'm trying not to get too alarmed because most of the stories I've seen have come from Facebook posts and there's no telling how real they are. I'm hoping that some genuine news outlets will look into what we're hearing about and determine if it's real.
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« Reply #149 on: November 11, 2016, 08:14:01 pm »
And now not even in office and he's reportedly open to preserving at least part of ACA.
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« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2016, 08:45:18 pm »

All of the idiots are coming out of the woodwork now. I'm trying not to get too alarmed because most of the stories I've seen have come from Facebook posts and there's no telling how real they are. I'm hoping that some genuine news outlets will look into what we're hearing about and determine if it's real.

The Wellesley and Penn incidents are reported and verified. I'm sure there's a lot of bs but reports I get from the ADL confirm a lot of the anecdotal incidents. Hell, the KKK applied for a celebratory parade in North Carolina. Awful people feel very emboldened.
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« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2016, 08:58:07 pm »
The Wellesley and Penn incidents are reported and verified. I'm sure there's a lot of bs but reports I get from the ADL confirm a lot of the anecdotal incidents. Hell, the KKK applied for a celebratory parade in North Carolina. Awful people feel very emboldened.

It will be interesting to see if all of the people who are so adamant about Muslim leaders denouncing terrorism will be quick to stand up and denounce this behavior.
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« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2016, 08:59:44 pm »
Awful people feel very emboldened.
Rioters caused $1MM in damage in Portland last night.  Seems to me there are awful people everywhere.

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« Reply #153 on: November 12, 2016, 05:22:04 pm »
Those on both sides who are more interested in hate, anger, and intolerance are making themselves known.
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« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2016, 04:50:26 am »
Don't forget wanting to start a war if rude gestures are made towards US armed forces, compared to a former senator and secretary of state who is liked and respected by the majority of world leaders. 

Happy - I'm curious when you made up your mind and whether the Comey letter had much of anything to do with that.

The second Comey letter had nothing to do with it, although I laughed at Comey's second no evidence letter that came out the sunday before the election, which was obviously the product of severe political pressure from the White House. 

The Justice Department has seriously hampered those investigations in a partisan way. Can you imagine doing an investigation without subpoena power? That's what they were working with. I believe that a nonpartisan prosecutor with a nonpartisan FBI would find enough evidence against Clinton in both the pay-to-play and private server issues to try and convict her.

In the end, it was just too much baggage for Clinton for me to vote for her. Again, I believe that it goes back to that contempt order back in the 1980's. Had there been an ethics intervention back then, she might have suffered some consequences and learned a valuable lesson. But her husband was governor of Arkansas, so nothing happened. When she skated by with the firm paying the $5,000 contempt fine by the court, she was emboldened to take additional and increasingly larger liberties for lo these many years, leading all the way up to the present.
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« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2016, 10:45:20 pm »
The second Comey letter had nothing to do with it, although I laughed at Comey's second no evidence letter that came out the sunday before the election, which was obviously the product of severe political pressure from the White House. 

The Justice Department has seriously hampered those investigations in a partisan way. Can you imagine doing an investigation without subpoena power? That's what they were working with. I believe that a nonpartisan prosecutor with a nonpartisan FBI would find enough evidence against Clinton in both the pay-to-play and private server issues to try and convict her.

In the end, it was just too much baggage for Clinton for me to vote for her. Again, I believe that it goes back to that contempt order back in the 1980's. Had there been an ethics intervention back then, she might have suffered some consequences and learned a valuable lesson. But her husband was governor of Arkansas, so nothing happened. When she skated by with the firm paying the $5,000 contempt fine by the court, she was emboldened to take additional and increasingly larger liberties for lo these many years, leading all the way up to the present.

Putting aside the merits of the email and foundation issues (which hardly seem to me like an open and shut case of anything), I cannot imagine the mental gymnastics that result in voting for Donald Trump out of ethical concerns.  Even without the explicit racism and misogyny of his campaign, the Trump University fraud case, his long history of stiffing contractors and lack of transparency, we are about to get a master class in modern presidential conflicts of interest. 
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« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2016, 08:41:21 am »
Not that this is really earth-shattering, but I found it interesting in that it lays bare what has been happening for quite a while: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/opinion/identity-over-ideology.html?_r=0

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« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2016, 09:42:22 am »
I just couldn't do it. My experience with her back in the 80's with the Rose Law Firm was just too much to ignore. I thought that she'd win for sure.

a 30 year prejudice? wow.
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« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2016, 10:58:29 am »
a 30 year prejudice? wow.

That does not surprise me.  Most of Republicans have hated her since Bill was in office.
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« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2016, 11:23:06 am »
If you were born in a sweet spot between 1978 and 1982, 40% of the presidential elections you've been able to vote in have gone to the loser of the popular vote.