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Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« on: September 24, 2016, 03:35:35 pm »
Excellent piece in the New Yorker by the 96-year old baseball writer.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 05:26:37 pm »
Also in the New Yorker:

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 04:51:40 pm »
I still think Trump will win, god help us all.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 10:50:47 am »
I still think Trump will win, god help us all.

How about now?
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 11:16:59 am »
How about now?

I doubt that debate changed anyone's mind.  Trump supporters are thumping their chests this morning about how he knocked that debate out of the park and how he proved he's exactly the kind of no-planning, ready-fire-aim, political novice we need running the country. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 12:21:10 pm »
I doubt that debate changed anyone's mind.  Trump supporters are thumping their chests this morning about how he knocked that debate out of the park and how he proved he's exactly the kind of no-planning, ready-fire-aim, political novice we need running the country.

It was never about existing Trump supporters, it was about those who are (amazingly) still undecided.  A CNN poll of likely voters had Clinton "winning" 62% to 27% and another poll of Florida "undecideds" had Clinton over Trump 90/10 (albeit a small sample of 20 people).

Trump had an incredibly low bar for success last night, and he came up short.  If all that happened is that independent and some reluctant Trump voters got turned off him, then job done Clinton.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 12:23:30 pm »
It was never about existing Trump supporters, it was about those who are (amazingly) still undecided.  A CNN poll of likely voters had Clinton "winning" 62% to 27% and another poll of Florida "undecideds" had Clinton over Trump 90/10 (albeit a small sample of 20 people).

Trump had an incredibly low bar for success last night, and he came up short.  If all that happened is that independent and some reluctant Trump voters got turned off him, then job done Clinton.

I guess I just refuse to believe there is a significant number of "undecided" in this one. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 01:07:11 pm »
I guess I just refuse to believe there is a significant number of "undecided" in this one.

North Carolina: group of undecided voters "gasped" when Trump said not paying taxes made him "smart".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-lean-toward-clinton-among-one-group-of-undecided-north-carolina-voters/2016/09/27/ff271b2e-8469-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?postshare=7421474992141601&tid=ss_tw


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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 01:19:08 pm »
North Carolina: group of undecided voters "gasped" when Trump said not paying taxes made him "smart".

The told-to-be-quiet audience laughed when he claimed his temperament was his best trait.

He is a zombie-candidate.  Dead, but won't die.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 02:20:39 pm »
I guess I just refuse to believe there is a significant number of "undecided" in this one.

Hard to imagine.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 04:09:33 pm »
I think there a lot of people on the "Well, I don't really like a lot of things about Hillary, but Jesus Christ, that other guy is a gasoline drenched trainwreck" bandwagon.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 04:11:25 pm »
I think there a lot of people on the "Well, I don't really like a lot of things about Hillary, but Jesus Christ, that other guy is a gasoline drenched trainwreck" bandwagon.

Don't underestimate how many people think she is a vile, contemptible, corrupt human being and politician.  And they won't vote for a politician.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 04:12:10 pm »
Don't underestimate how many people think she is a vile, contemptible, corrupt human being and politician.  And they won't vote for a politician.

Believe me, I wasn't. Trump is just that horrible of a choice.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 05:26:54 pm »
Don't underestimate how many people think she is a vile, contemptible, corrupt human being and politician.  And they won't vote for a politician.

This gets repeated so often that no one ever feels like they have to justify it. Has there ever been a more effective job of character assassination than's been pulled on Hillary?

 

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 07:18:51 pm »
This gets repeated so often that no one ever feels like they have to justify it. Has there ever been a more effective job of character assassination than's been pulled on Hillary?

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 08:00:38 pm »
This gets repeated so often that no one ever feels like they have to justify it. Has there ever been a more effective job of character assassination than's been pulled on Hillary?

It doesn't take much to find out how horrible she is.  But my point was people will vote against her because she's part of the establishment, i.e. a politician.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 08:10:04 pm »
It doesn't take much to find out how horrible she is.  But my point was people will vote against her because she's part of the establishment, i.e. a politician.

These are common people, salt of the earth. You know... morons.


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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 05:40:11 am »
It doesn't take much to find out how horrible she is.  But my point was people will vote against her because she's part of the establishment, i.e. a politician.
Voters of both parties re-nominated almost every congressional incumbent in the primaries. One of the few reps to lose was Tim Huelskamp, an anti-establishment Republican who got ousted by a more mainstream challenger. Obama's approval rating is sitting in the low fifties; he'd waltz to a third term if such a thing were still permitted. There's a lot of talk about "backlash," but there's precious little evidence that it actually exists. There are much better explanations for people's distaste for Clinton.

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 10:07:19 am »
It doesn't take much to find out how horrible she is.  But my point was people will vote against her because she's part of the establishment, i.e. a politician.

Anyone running for political office is by definition a politician, engaged in the practice of politics. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 10:08:13 am »
These are common people, salt of the earth. You know... morons.


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