Author Topic: Roster moves (Read 17924 times)

pots · « **on:** August 03, 2016, 12:26:54 pm »

So Hoyt is taking Gregerson's spot on the roster
Musgrove was suppose to take Feldman's, now might be McCullers.
Maybe Rodgers next to take Feldman's old spot
And Reed is up to take someone's spot. Possibly via a short 3 game hiatus for Fister then either Tucker or White. Or possibly Marwin to DL

pots · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2016, 12:27:48 pm »

McCullers news so far:

Hinch said McCullers was currently "seeing the doctors" "it's a very long walk when one of your pitchers is not feeling well."

and

Luhnow Says Musgrove Would Fill In For McCullers If Necessary

Certainly seems like at minimum a short trip on the DL is coming.

pots · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2016, 12:28:18 pm »

Quote from: Ensberg

Now we move to the next in line. @Astros fans, look up @Rodg_20 & @MikeHauschild3. Both throw 4/5 pitches for k's. That means trouble.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2016, 12:31:13 pm »

Quote from: pots on August 03, 2016, 12:27:48 pm

McCullers news so far:

Luhnow Says Musgrove Would Fill In For McCullers If Necessary

This is so logical he shouldn't have had to say it.

pots · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2016, 12:45:12 pm »

missed this one:

Hinch said Musgrove is likely to make McCullers start on Sunday "I don't have any details yet on McCullers but if there's a start to me had"

pots · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2016, 01:31:10 pm »

Quote from: Tags

Source: Astros set to call up RHP Brad Peacock, who's in Houston. Not sure of corresponding move.

Peacock has been improved lately but not any where as good as Rodgers. Perhaps they feel Peacock will be better out of the pen than Rodgers. I don't think the 40-man would have been a factor. There are 2 spots available and Rodgers needs to be added this year anyways

juliogotay · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2016, 01:59:59 pm »

Shouldn't we know something about McCullers by now?

MusicMan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2016, 02:02:39 pm »

Reeeeeealy not liking the Feldman deal right now.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2016, 02:13:16 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 03, 2016, 01:59:59 pm

Shouldn't we know something about McCullers by now?

We should know when we are told.

I'd expect the Astros know by now.

MusicMan · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2016, 02:29:26 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 03, 2016, 02:13:16 pm

We should know when we are told.

I'd expect the Astros know by now.

When will then be now?

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2016, 02:35:04 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 03, 2016, 02:29:26 pm

When will then be now?

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Later.

ETA: ACK! I miss quoted my quote.

Soon.

juliogotay · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:10:29 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 03, 2016, 02:35:04 pm

Later.

ETA: ACK! I miss quoted my quote.

Soon.

McTaggert said there won't be any word until the Clubhouse opens. Not sure when that is.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:38:22 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 03, 2016, 03:10:29 pm

McTaggert said there won't be any word until the Clubhouse opens. Not sure when that is.

15-day DL per Chron.com

Peacock recalled.

http://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-place-Lance-McCullers-on-disabled-list-9104115.php

pots · « **Reply #13 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:40:00 pm »

Fister to paternity list as well

That starts a 3 game clock I believe. Conveniently, he starts Saturday

pots · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:41:11 pm »

Today's lineup contains the return of Marwin! Bregman get s a day off

Outfield also skewed. Tucker, Marisnick, Rasmus from left to right. Springer DH'ing today

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:42:30 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 03, 2016, 03:10:29 pm

McTaggert said there won't be any word until the Clubhouse opens. Not sure when that is.

I believe it's 3 for a 7:10 game.

jbm · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:55:33 pm »

I'm getting lost in all the moves over the last week or so, and I'm missing at least one. Who else should be on the "off the 25" list?

Off the 25
Feldman
Valbuena
McCullers (presumably)
Fister (for a few days)
Worth (was this for Bregman?)

On the 25
Tucker
Musgrove
Hoyt
Peacock
Reed
Bregman

jbm · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2016, 03:58:06 pm »

Shit, I forgot Gregerson (off), and White (on)

MusicMan · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2016, 04:19:23 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 03, 2016, 03:10:29 pm

McTaggert said there won't be any word until the Clubhouse opens. Not sure when that is.

"Asked about McCullers pitching again this season, Hinch said it's too early to say anything. Will be reevaluated in a couple weeks."

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MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2016, 04:24:26 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 03, 2016, 04:19:23 pm

"Asked about McCullers pitching again this season, Hinch said it's too early to say anything. Will be reevaluated in a couple weeks."

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Not looking good.

drew corleone · « **Reply #20 on:** August 03, 2016, 05:12:13 pm »

The ESPN crawl said he was out for"a couple of weeks."

austro · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2016, 07:44:10 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on August 03, 2016, 05:12:13 pm

The ESPN crawl said he was out for"a couple of weeks."

Brownie says he's been told not to pick up a ball for two weeks. So that sounds like the best we could hope for is to have him back in four weeks or so. My guess is that we've see the last of him for this season.

Reuben · « **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2016, 11:40:11 pm »

Fuck. This season is unraveling in a hurry. And after it spent all that time re-raveling from the initial unraveling.

I'm really getting anxious to see Gurriel. He seems like a guy who knows how to take a professional AB. Maybe he can also encourage Correa to swing the goddam bat when the game is on the line and fastballs are being thrown over the plate.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2016, 01:16:23 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on August 03, 2016, 05:12:13 pm

The ESPN crawl said he was out for"a couple of weeks."

That's some ESPN sleuthing for you...the DL requirement is a couple of weeks.

hostros7 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2016, 10:36:25 am »

Rasmus mercifully added to the DL. Kemp will rejoin the club.

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Reuben · « **Reply #25 on:** August 07, 2016, 10:53:00 am »

Quote from: hostros7 on August 07, 2016, 10:36:25 am

Rasmus mercifully added to the DL. Kemp will rejoin the club.

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If you're desperate for some optimism, like me, Kemp was hitting .325/.372/.500 over his last 10 games with 4 2B and a HR. At this point what've they got to lose by putting him out there in LF and see if he can get on base a little?

jbm · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2016, 11:21:24 am »

I really like Kemp cause he generally provides a tough AB, a talent in short supply on this team and badly needed, IMO. However, it's no secret that positional placement is tough for Kemp in this lineup.

hostros7 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2016, 11:24:24 am »

Quote from: jbm on August 07, 2016, 11:21:24 am

I really like Kemp cause he generally provides a tough AB, a talent in short supply on this team and badly needed, IMO. However, it's no secret that positional placement is tough for Kemp in this lineup.

If he can stand out in left field like a stump, he won't be any more of a liability there than Tucker is.

pots · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2016, 11:27:25 am »

Kemp is the only call up this year who hasn't struggled mightily.

jbm · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2016, 11:30:06 am »

Quote from: pots on August 07, 2016, 11:27:25 am

Kemp is the only call up this year who hasn't struggled mightily.

Uh, are we forgetting pitchers?

pots · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2016, 11:31:57 am »

Quote from: jbm on August 07, 2016, 11:30:06 am

Uh, are we forgetting pitchers?

Stand corrected. Only position player. The pitchers have been great

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2016, 12:21:32 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on August 07, 2016, 11:24:24 am

If he can stand out in left field like a stump, he won't be any more of a liability there than Tucker is.

exactly.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2016, 10:12:59 am »

Quote from: pots on August 07, 2016, 11:27:25 am

Kemp is the only call up this year who hasn't struggled mightily.

5 for your first 25 isn't struggling?

Waldo · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2016, 11:29:55 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 08, 2016, 10:12:59 am

5 for your first 25 isn't struggling?

Not "mightily".

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #34 on:** August 10, 2016, 03:53:02 pm »

Jandel Gustave has been called up to take Gomez's spot on the roster.

ETA:

Just 2 ER and 12 hits allowed in his last 17 IP for Fresno. 17 Ks vs 4 BBs.

juliogotay · « **Reply #35 on:** August 10, 2016, 03:54:22 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 10, 2016, 03:53:02 pm

Jandel Gustave has been called up to take Gomez's spot on the roster.

I didn't see that one coming.

jbm · « **Reply #36 on:** August 10, 2016, 04:33:53 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 10, 2016, 03:54:22 pm

I didn't see that one coming.

I didn't either. I expected Hernandez, but the pen has been shaky, so help there is needed.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #37 on:** August 10, 2016, 04:41:58 pm »

Quote from: jbm on August 10, 2016, 04:33:53 pm

I didn't either. I expected Hernandez, but the pen has been shaky, so help there is needed.

They went to a 7 man bullpen with Gregerson's injury. This brings it back to an 8 man pen as they've had most of the year.

MusicMan · « **Reply #38 on:** August 10, 2016, 05:02:37 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 10, 2016, 04:41:58 pm

They went to a 7 man bullpen with Gregerson's injury. This brings it back to an 8 man pen as they've had most of the year.

I don't understand this structure when you're constantly in jeopardy of burning your DH, as they did the other day against TEX.

JimR · « **Reply #39 on:** August 10, 2016, 05:50:06 pm »

Gustavevthrows rockets. I hope he sticks.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #40 on:** August 10, 2016, 10:57:52 pm »

Kevin Chapman called up as the 26th man for the 2nd game of the DH tomorrow.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #41 on:** August 12, 2016, 04:43:50 pm »

Pardon me while I recap all the personnel moves/news today (which are covered in twenty different threads):

Kevin Chapman back to the minors after his 26th man utilization in game #2 of yesterday's doubleheader
Preston Tucker to the DL with a strained right shoulder
Teoscar Hernandez up from Fresno to take Tucker's spot on the roster
Jake Marisnick is day to day because of a "tweaked" right groin which is why Teo is in CF tonight
Colby Rasmus, who of course was already on the DL (retroactive to Aug 5), is not expected back til Sept after having surgery on the ear cyst
Luke Gregorson has been activated off the DL
Ken Giles goes to the paternity list

That about it?

mrpink · « **Reply #42 on:** August 12, 2016, 04:51:30 pm »

I wonder how long Tucker's been dealing with shoulder issues. That could explain why he's been terrible over his last 10 games.

Fredia · « **Reply #43 on:** August 12, 2016, 06:02:39 pm »

wow all those moves make my head spin

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #44 on:** August 15, 2016, 02:13:47 pm »

Giles activated, Gustave back to Fresno.

JimR · « **Reply #45 on:** August 15, 2016, 05:52:35 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 15, 2016, 02:13:47 pm

Giles activated, Gustave back to Fresno.

Remember Gustave. He can help.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #46 on:** August 15, 2016, 06:14:00 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 15, 2016, 05:52:35 pm

Remember Gustave. He can help.

You're right. That guy has an arm; he's a legitimate future back-of-the-bullpen guy.

MusicMan · « **Reply #47 on:** August 19, 2016, 03:47:20 pm »

Peacock up, Hoyt down, per Chron.

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Reuben · « **Reply #48 on:** August 19, 2016, 05:14:19 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 19, 2016, 03:47:20 pm

Peacock up, Hoyt down, per Chron.

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I guess they need somebody to serve as potential mop-up fodder for a few days until Tyler White's arm has had enough time to rest.

I didn't get to see much of Hoyt, but wasn't he pretty good except for a couple rough outings?

juliogotay · « **Reply #49 on:** August 19, 2016, 06:31:49 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on August 19, 2016, 05:14:19 pm

I guess they need somebody to serve as potential mop-up fodder for a few days until Tyler White's arm has had enough time to rest.

I didn't get to see much of Hoyt, but wasn't he pretty good except for a couple rough outings?

His stuff didn't seem to be as advertised. I thought he was more of a high velocity guy and it seemed he was up in the zone alot.
I need to quit paying attention to Ensberg's tweets.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #50 on:** August 20, 2016, 04:36:18 pm »

Quote from: jbm on August 03, 2016, 03:55:33 pm

Off the 25
Feldman
Valbuena
McCullers (presumably)
Fister (for a few days)
Worth (was this for Bregman?)

Apparently not getting back on the 25 anytime soon...

Angel Verdejo Jr. ‏@ahverdejo 26 minutes ago Baltimore, MD
Luis Valbuena (right hamstring) suffered a setback running & sent back to Houston to be evaluated. Hinch called it a major concern.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #51 on:** August 20, 2016, 04:59:04 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 20, 2016, 04:36:18 pm

Apparently not getting back on the 25 anytime soon...

Angel Verdejo Jr. ‏@ahverdejo 26 minutes ago Baltimore, MD
Luis Valbuena (right hamstring) suffered a setback running & sent back to Houston to be evaluated. Hinch called it a major concern.

Wow that's bad news.

Kit · « **Reply #52 on:** August 20, 2016, 05:21:37 pm »

Te Amo Te Oscar!!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #53 on:** August 20, 2016, 05:22:53 pm »

Hamstring injuries can linger for months.

JimR · « **Reply #54 on:** August 20, 2016, 06:36:47 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on August 19, 2016, 05:14:19 pm

I guess they need somebody to serve as potential mop-up fodder for a few days until Tyler White's arm has had enough time to rest.

I didn't get to see much of Hoyt, but wasn't he pretty good except for a couple rough outings?

Hinch was mildly critical of him and said when he got to the majors, he got away from what brought him success in the minors.

MusicMan · « **Reply #55 on:** August 20, 2016, 09:56:59 pm »

Gurriel up, White down. Hinch says Gurriel will DH initially.

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BlownRanger · « **Reply #56 on:** August 22, 2016, 11:01:03 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 19, 2016, 06:31:49 pm

I need to quit paying attention to Ensberg's tweets.

I agree. There's never been a bluer sky than the one in Morgan's world.

Duman · « **Reply #57 on:** August 22, 2016, 02:48:45 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 20, 2016, 04:36:18 pm

Apparently not getting back on the 25 anytime soon...

Angel Verdejo Jr. ‏@ahverdejo 26 minutes ago Baltimore, MD
Luis Valbuena (right hamstring) suffered a setback running & sent back to Houston to be evaluated. Hinch called it a major concern.

I heard that surgery is likely the outcome from this setback. He is likely done for the season.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #58 on:** August 22, 2016, 04:07:29 pm »

Quote from: Duman on August 22, 2016, 02:48:45 pm

I heard that surgery is likely the outcome from this setback. He is likely done for the season.

He was having a career year. Sucks for him and the Astros.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #59 on:** August 23, 2016, 04:33:32 pm »

Quote from: Duman on August 22, 2016, 02:48:45 pm

I heard that surgery is likely the outcome from this setback. He is likely done for the season.

Hinch confirmed this today, not cool.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #60 on:** August 29, 2016, 05:21:36 pm »

Brian McTaggart ‏@brianmctaggart 50 minutes ago
It's possible the Astros activate Rasmus tomorrow.

MusicMan · « **Reply #61 on:** August 29, 2016, 06:46:09 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 29, 2016, 05:21:36 pm

Brian McTaggart ‏@brianmctaggart 50 minutes ago
It's possible the Astros activate Rasmus tomorrow.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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WVastro · « **Reply #62 on:** August 29, 2016, 08:41:58 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 29, 2016, 06:46:09 pm

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Send Musgrove down until the deadline then they get an extra bat until rosters expand?

JimR · « **Reply #63 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:25:10 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 29, 2016, 06:46:09 pm

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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does to me. i'll trust Hinch's decision on how ready he is. the GZ hates Teoscar, and Colby will upgrade LF defense.

Bench · « **Reply #64 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:38:55 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2016, 09:25:10 am

does to me. i'll trust Hinch's decision on how ready he is. the GZ hates Teoscar, and Colby will upgrade LF defense.

I'm out of the GZ loop lately. What's the criticism of Teo?

homer · « **Reply #65 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:41:00 am »

Quote from: Bench on August 30, 2016, 09:38:55 am

I'm out of the GZ loop lately. What's the criticism of Teo?

From what I've read, he lacks some intensity in his defense.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #66 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:46:54 am »

Quote from: homer on August 30, 2016, 09:41:00 am

From what I've read, he lacks some intensity in his defense.

He let a ball drop right beside the Crawford Boxes because he didn't realize it wouldn't be out there. Hadn't seen that one before.

JimR · « **Reply #67 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:53:27 am »

Quote from: homer on August 30, 2016, 09:41:00 am

From what I've read, he lacks some intensity in his defense.

love how folks gauge "intensity" watching TV.

sample of criticism I read: does not hustle, late getting to fly balls (even when he catches them), does not hit cutoff men. he badly misread the fly ball Biz mentioned, which Hinch attributed to inexperience.

Colby will be an upgrade even if Teoscar were meeting GZ standards.

MusicMan · « **Reply #68 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:32:24 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2016, 09:25:10 am

does to me. i'll trust Hinch's decision on how ready he is. the GZ hates Teoscar, and Colby will upgrade LF defense.

I just can't imagine that after going hitless for over a month, he doesn't need some ABs to get his timing back.

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jbm · « **Reply #69 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:35:21 am »

I hope the timing he gets back is more in line with early in the year Rasmus. Middle of the year Rasmus should not get playing time over Hernandez, IMO.

JimR · « **Reply #70 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:43:21 am »

Quote from: jbm on August 30, 2016, 10:35:21 am

I hope the timing he gets back is more in line with early in the year Rasmus. Middle of the year Rasmus should not get playing time over Hernandez, IMO.

middle of the year Rasmus was trying to play through a cyst behind his eardrum which affected his balance and equilibrium.

Bench · « **Reply #71 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:44:14 am »

Quote from: jbm on August 30, 2016, 10:35:21 am

I hope the timing he gets back is more in line with early in the year Rasmus. Middle of the year Rasmus should not get playing time over Hernandez, IMO.

But here's hoping for October 2015 Rasmus.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #72 on:** August 30, 2016, 12:57:45 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 29, 2016, 05:21:36 pm

Brian McTaggart ‏@brianmctaggart 50 minutes ago
It's possible the Astros activate Rasmus tomorrow.

He was, Peacock offsetting move but will return Sept 1.

das · « **Reply #73 on:** August 30, 2016, 04:54:22 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 29, 2016, 06:46:09 pm

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Rasmus is a potential game changer. Hernandez has not shown to be the same. Given how little time is left in the season, this seems to be A prudent move. It will be pretty clear within less than a week if Rasmus will not contribute offensively and he is sure to be an upgrade defensively.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #74 on:** August 30, 2016, 04:57:54 pm »

I get confused how the rules work, but wouldn't they have more flexibility if they left him on the DL?

Fredia · « **Reply #75 on:** August 30, 2016, 05:03:19 pm »

hope they did not have to cut his hair ...sampston and all

juliogotay · « **Reply #76 on:** August 30, 2016, 05:31:08 pm »

Quote from: das on August 30, 2016, 04:54:22 pm

Rasmus is a potential game changer. Hernandez has not shown to be the same. Given how little time is left in the season, this seems to be A prudent move. It will be pretty clear within less than a week if Rasmus will not contribute offensively and he is sure to be an upgrade defensively.

I would think Teo and Colby will platoon.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #77 on:** August 30, 2016, 06:26:37 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2016, 09:25:10 am

does to me. i'll trust Hinch's decision on how ready he is. the GZ hates Teoscar, and Colby will upgrade LF defense.

Reggie Jackson would upgrade LF defense. Even now.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #78 on:** August 30, 2016, 06:27:25 pm »

Quote from: homer on August 30, 2016, 09:41:00 am

From what I've read, he lacks some intensity in his defense.

He lacks a clue on defense. Always has.

jbm · « **Reply #79 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:20:55 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on August 30, 2016, 06:27:25 pm

He lacks a clue on defense. Always has.

Bullshit, he's hardly a train wreck as a defender. He's made a few poor throws and misplayed a ball and some want to portray him as some shitshow in the outfield.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #80 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:32:20 pm »

Quote from: jbm on August 30, 2016, 07:20:55 pm

Bullshit, he's hardly a train wreck as a defender. He's made a few poor throws and misplayed a ball and some want to portray him as some shitshow in the outfield.

He was considered a mediocre defender in the minors. He'll take poor routes to the ball but his speed can fix some of it. Flippant isn't the type of adjective I've ever heard used but could stand to mature as a player.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #81 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:39:09 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on August 30, 2016, 06:27:25 pm

He lacks a clue on defense. Always has.

Can't quite reconcile what you're saying here with what you said two months ago:

Quote from: VirtualBob on June 15, 2016, 11:17:04 am

And just as importantly, he seems to have figured out what that big hunk of leather he wanders around the outfield with is good for.

jbm · « **Reply #82 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:42:04 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 30, 2016, 07:32:20 pm

He was considered a mediocre defender in the minors. He'll take poor routes to the ball but his speed can fix some of it. Flippant isn't the type of adjective I've ever heard used but could stand to mature as a player.

Can he improve? Of course, but he's not crap like he's portrayed by some here.

JimR · « **Reply #83 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:48:00 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 30, 2016, 10:32:24 am

I just can't imagine that after going hitless for over a month, he doesn't need some ABs to get his timing back.

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You were saying, MM?

Lefty · « **Reply #84 on:** August 31, 2016, 02:28:24 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2016, 09:53:27 am

love how folks gauge "intensity" watching TV.

Bump Bailey was intense.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #85 on:** August 31, 2016, 06:55:50 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 30, 2016, 07:32:20 pm

He was considered a mediocre defender in the minors. He'll take poor routes to the ball but his speed can fix some of it. Flippant isn't the type of adjective I've ever heard used but could stand to mature as a player.

This. Clue-free.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #86 on:** August 31, 2016, 06:58:41 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on August 30, 2016, 07:39:09 pm

Can't quite reconcile what you're saying here with what you said two months ago:

When I commented on him "figuring out what that big hunk of leather" was for, it was based on a few weeks of surprisingly error-free play along with a few commentators raving about his "D" ... the commentators have been exposed for their lack of insight.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #87 on:** August 31, 2016, 06:59:39 pm »

Quote from: jbm on August 30, 2016, 07:42:04 pm

Can he improve? Of course, but he's not crap like he's portrayed by some here.

Can he improve? Maybe. For a while there it almost looked like he had, but "improvement" is lasting change, not just avoiding errors for a couple of weeks.

Reuben · « **Reply #88 on:** August 31, 2016, 07:04:24 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on August 31, 2016, 06:59:39 pm

Can he improve? Maybe. For a while there it almost looked like he had, but "improvement" is lasting change, not just avoiding errors for a couple of weeks.

Good grief, you really have it in for the kid.

I recall Springer catching a lot of shit for his defense from some folks on here when he first came up. That has turned out okay.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #89 on:** August 31, 2016, 11:19:30 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on August 31, 2016, 07:04:24 pm

Good grief, you really have it in for the kid.

I recall Springer catching a lot of shit for his defense from some folks on here when he first came up. That has turned out okay.

I have not seen him in MLB. My opinion comes from riding the bus and feedback from people more knowledgeable than I. He has always been terrible in the field. Many have had successful MLB careers with questionable fielding skills, and he may turn out to be one of them. I do not "have it in for him", I just appreciate good fielding (both skill and attitude) and I find them missing here.

jbm · « **Reply #90 on:** September 01, 2016, 07:43:07 am »

You haven't seen him, but you have this kind of opinion on him. Wow!

VirtualBob · « **Reply #91 on:** September 01, 2016, 11:17:28 am »

Quote from: jbm on September 01, 2016, 07:43:07 am

You haven't seen him, but you have this kind of opinion on him. Wow!

Where did I say I hadn't seen him? I have not seen him in MLB. I was emphasizing the point that I am not just piling on with the whining crowd.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #92 on:** September 02, 2016, 02:48:53 pm »

In addition to Rodgers, Hoyt, Gustave, and White recalled today.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #93 on:** September 05, 2016, 02:46:48 pm »

Max Stassi and Kevin Chapman have been recalled and will be available for tonight's game.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #94 on:** September 05, 2016, 04:01:45 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on September 05, 2016, 02:46:48 pm

Max Stassi and Kevin Chapman have been recalled and will be available for tonight's game.

Let's hope Chapman is not needed.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #95 on:** September 05, 2016, 04:07:23 pm »

Keuchel has been shut down from throwing and will not start tomorrow. He's flying back to Houston. Peacock gets the nod tomorrow.

Fredia · « **Reply #96 on:** September 05, 2016, 04:10:15 pm »

jbm · « **Reply #97 on:** September 05, 2016, 04:43:13 pm »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 05, 2016, 04:07:23 pm

Keuchel has been shut down from throwing and will not start tomorrow. He's flying back to Houston. Peacock gets the nod tomorrow.

That's some grim news. Just hope this team relaxes and embraces the underdog role, which is what they are with this staff, IMO.

austro · « **Reply #98 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:18:10 pm »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 05, 2016, 04:07:23 pm

Keuchel has been shut down from throwing and will not start tomorrow. He's flying back to Houston. Peacock gets the nod tomorrow.

Now I have to wonder if he's been trying to pitch through this all year. That certainly would explain the lackluster results.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #99 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:19:04 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 05, 2016, 08:18:10 pm

Now I have to wonder if he's been trying to pitch through this all year. That certainly would explain the lackluster results.

Exactly what I was thinking. It makes sense.

juliogotay · « **Reply #100 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:24:13 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 05, 2016, 08:18:10 pm

Now I have to wonder if he's been trying to pitch through this all year. That certainly would explain the lackluster results.

Hinch is saying it began after his last start.

WVastro · « **Reply #101 on:** September 05, 2016, 10:06:56 pm »

My guess is that it's a result of having a shitty season. Not the cause. I hope he's ok.

juliogotay · « **Reply #102 on:** September 05, 2016, 10:09:54 pm »

Quote from: WVastro on September 05, 2016, 10:06:56 pm

My guess is that it's a result of having a shitty season. Not the cause. I hope he's ok.

I don't think so. Keuchel is a warriior and wouldn't be skipping starts unless he's really tender.

das · « **Reply #103 on:** September 06, 2016, 09:11:17 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on September 05, 2016, 08:24:13 pm

Hinch is saying it began after his last start.

At least that's when he heard about it. SP's are well known to keep quiet about aches and pains hoping they'll sort out over time. Plus, it's notoriously hard to tell the difference between typical between-the-starts aches and pains and a more serious issue developing over time unless there's some catastrophic failure.

juliogotay · « **Reply #104 on:** September 06, 2016, 10:15:31 am »

Quote from: das on September 06, 2016, 09:11:17 am

At least that's when he heard about it. SP's are well known to keep quiet about aches and pains hoping they'll sort out over time. Plus, it's notoriously hard to tell the difference between typical between-the-starts aches and pains and a more serious issue developing over time unless there's some catastrophic failure.

It was just a couple of weeks ago Keuchel said he felt the best he had all year.

Fredia · « **Reply #105 on:** September 06, 2016, 10:21:22 am »

how many players have said the same and turned out to be injured

Reuben · « **Reply #106 on:** September 06, 2016, 11:34:19 am »

Peacock being named the sub for Keuchel made me curious how Scott Feldman was doing with the Jays. He's got a 6.92 ERA and has allowed 20 hits in 13 IP (all in relief), for what it's worth.

Of course, the Astros also have Devenski and Rodgers as plausible alternatives to Peacock.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #107 on:** September 06, 2016, 11:39:29 am »

Quote from: Reuben on September 06, 2016, 11:34:19 am

Peacock being named the sub for Keuchel made me curious how Scott Feldman was doing with the Jays. He's got a 6.92 ERA and has allowed 20 hits in 13 IP (all in relief), for what it's worth.

Of course, the Astros also have Devenski and Rodgers as plausible alternatives to Peacock.

Hinch said Devenski will stay in the pen. He can affect more games there.

WVastro · « **Reply #108 on:** September 06, 2016, 11:51:41 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on September 05, 2016, 10:09:54 pm

I don't think so. Keuchel is a warriior and wouldn't be skipping starts unless he's really tender.

I was likely unclear in my post. I agree this is a recent development. Rather than something that was the cause of this season sucking for him it was the result of this season sucking for him. But that is obviously WAS. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

Reuben · « **Reply #109 on:** September 06, 2016, 11:52:37 am »

Quote from: Reuben on September 06, 2016, 11:34:19 am

Peacock being named the sub for Keuchel made me curious how Scott Feldman was doing with the Jays. He's got a 6.92 ERA and has allowed 20 hits in 13 IP (all in relief), for what it's worth.

Of course, the Astros also have Devenski and Rodgers as plausible alternatives to Peacock.

David Paulino is being called up, so perhaps he's an option to start, too.

MusicMan · « **Reply #110 on:** September 06, 2016, 04:03:00 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on September 06, 2016, 11:52:37 am

David Paulino is being called up, so perhaps he's an option to start, too.

He's starting Thursday.

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juliogotay · « **Reply #111 on:** September 06, 2016, 05:26:11 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 06, 2016, 04:03:00 pm

He's starting Thursday.

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Looking forward to seeing him.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #112 on:** September 06, 2016, 09:14:52 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on September 06, 2016, 10:15:31 am

It was just a couple of weeks ago Keuchel said he felt the best he had all year.

Which implies that the has not felt great all year. Still could explain the performance.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #113 on:** September 16, 2016, 03:09:13 pm »

Colin Moran has been called up.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #114 on:** September 16, 2016, 03:28:54 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on September 16, 2016, 03:09:13 pm

Colin Moran has been called up.

Not a good sign.

chuck · « **Reply #115 on:** September 16, 2016, 04:53:52 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on September 16, 2016, 03:09:13 pm

Colin Moran has been called up.

I had literally forgotten all about him.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #116 on:** September 16, 2016, 06:39:51 pm »

Quote from: chuck on September 16, 2016, 04:53:52 pm

I had literally forgotten all about him.

Why wouldn't you? He sucks..

WVastro · « **Reply #117 on:** September 16, 2016, 08:13:45 pm »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 16, 2016, 06:39:51 pm

Why wouldn't you? He sucks..

I imagine you may have never done anything at an extemely high level. Saying someone who has made an MLB roster even for one day "sucks" is flat wrong.

homer · « **Reply #118 on:** September 16, 2016, 08:14:56 pm »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 16, 2016, 06:39:51 pm

Why wouldn't you? He sucks..

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on July 19, 2016, 07:26:32 pm

Shouldn't be on the team. Gomez should start in center.

hostros7 · « **Reply #119 on:** September 16, 2016, 08:49:34 pm »

MLB App reports that Bregman is done for the season.

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austro · « **Reply #120 on:** September 16, 2016, 08:51:49 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on September 16, 2016, 08:49:34 pm

MLB App reports that Bregman is done for the season.

I guess that's not too surprising, since even a moderate hammy is probably worth 2 weeks. I just hope this isn't one of those "we have to reattach the muscle" things.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #121 on:** September 16, 2016, 09:57:17 pm »

Quote from: homer on September 16, 2016, 08:14:56 pm

What's your point?

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #122 on:** September 16, 2016, 09:59:45 pm »

Quote from: WVastro on September 16, 2016, 08:13:45 pm

Saying someone who has made an MLB roster even for one day "sucks" is flat wrong.

Okay let me rephrase that. I don't believe he is a big league caliber player.

juliogotay · « **Reply #123 on:** September 17, 2016, 08:58:35 am »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 16, 2016, 09:59:45 pm

Okay let me rephrase that. I don't believe he is a big league caliber player.

That's better.

juliogotay · « **Reply #124 on:** September 17, 2016, 09:00:02 am »

Quote from: austro on September 16, 2016, 08:51:49 pm

I guess that's not too surprising, since even a moderate hammy is probably worth 2 weeks. I just hope this isn't one of those "we have to reattach the muscle" things.

He didn't appear to be in too much discomfort when he walked off of the field. If he tore it...

das · « **Reply #125 on:** November 04, 2016, 10:54:48 am »

Akoi claimed off of waivers by Astros.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17965845/houston-astros-claim-nori-aoki-waivers-seattle-mariners

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #126 on:** November 04, 2016, 11:22:55 am »

Quote from: das on November 04, 2016, 10:54:48 am

Akoi claimed off of waivers by Astros.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17965845/houston-astros-claim-nori-aoki-waivers-seattle-mariners

Cabrera'd.

Bench · « **Reply #127 on:** November 04, 2016, 01:42:47 pm »

Astros exercise 2017 option on Gattis.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #128 on:** November 04, 2016, 04:26:57 pm »

Neshek traded to Phillies. Astros receiving PTBNL or cash.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #129 on:** November 04, 2016, 05:25:53 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on November 04, 2016, 04:26:57 pm

Neshek traded to Phillies. Astros receiving PTBNL or cash.

I guess that was the right move, given his salary.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #130 on:** November 05, 2016, 05:19:41 pm »

Lefty fireballer Reymin Guduan added to the 40-man. Roster currently stands at 37.

MusicMan · « **Reply #131 on:** November 19, 2016, 12:30:45 pm »

Jon Singleton has been placed on outright waivers to remove him from the 40 man roster.

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Nate Colbert · « **Reply #132 on:** November 22, 2016, 02:59:44 pm »

Nolan Fontana placed on waivers and claimed by the Angels.

40-man currently stands at 37 pending the Reddick signing becoming official.

JimR · « **Reply #133 on:** November 23, 2016, 08:58:55 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on November 19, 2016, 12:30:45 pm

Jon Singleton has been placed on outright waivers to remove him from the 40 man roster.

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Man, I thought he would be great.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #134 on:** November 23, 2016, 09:02:03 am »

Quote from: JimR on November 23, 2016, 08:58:55 am

Man, I thought he would be great.

He never seemed to recover from his weed-related suspension.

juliogotay · « **Reply #135 on:** November 23, 2016, 09:57:17 am »

Quote from: JimR on November 23, 2016, 08:58:55 am

Man, I thought he would be great.

he sure could have supplied a lot to this club with his LH power bat in the middle of the lineup. Maybe Reed can get it going.

Reuben · « **Reply #136 on:** November 23, 2016, 11:12:18 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 23, 2016, 09:57:17 am

he sure could have supplied a lot to this club with his LH power bat in the middle of the lineup. Maybe Reed can get it going.

I see what you did there.

jbm · « **Reply #137 on:** November 23, 2016, 11:38:07 am »

Quote from: JimR on November 23, 2016, 08:58:55 am

Man, I thought he would be great.

Same here. Never imagined he would have fallen so far and quickly.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #138 on:** November 23, 2016, 11:45:21 am »

Any comment from Bud Norris on how the club abused him?

juliogotay · « **Reply #139 on:** November 23, 2016, 12:50:43 pm »

With the release of Singleton we can close the book on the Pence deal. The original deal was in return for Zeid, Cosart, Santana and Singleton. It looked like it could produce an everyday RFer, 1B, and a starting pitcher. Luhnow flipped Cosart, with Kiki Hernandez, for Marisnick, Martes, Moran and a 2015 comp pick.
Santana was included in the deal for Gomez and Fiers. So, essentially Pence for Marisnick, Moran, Martes, Fiers and about a year of Gomez and whomever the comp pick was.

MusicMan · « **Reply #140 on:** November 23, 2016, 01:00:01 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 23, 2016, 12:50:43 pm

With the release of Singleton we can close the book on the Pence deal. The original deal was in return for Zeid, Cosart, Santana and Singleton. It looked like it could produce an everyday RFer, 1B, and a starting pitcher. Luhnow flipped Cosart, with Kiki Hernandez, for Marisnick, Martes, Moran and a 2015 comp pick.
Santana was included in the deal for Gomez and Fiers. So, essentially Pence for Marisnick, Moran, Martes, Fiers and about a year of Gomez and whomever the comp pick was.

Flipping Cosart was really the key.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #141 on:** November 23, 2016, 01:51:58 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 23, 2016, 12:50:43 pm

whomever the comp pick was.

Daz Cameron

Reuben · « **Reply #142 on:** November 23, 2016, 03:25:43 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 23, 2016, 12:50:43 pm

With the release of Singleton we can close the book on the Pence deal. The original deal was in return for Zeid, Cosart, Santana and Singleton. It looked like it could produce an everyday RFer, 1B, and a starting pitcher. Luhnow flipped Cosart, with Kiki Hernandez, for Marisnick, Martes, Moran and a 2015 comp pick.
Santana was included in the deal for Gomez and Fiers. So, essentially Pence for Marisnick, Moran, Martes, Fiers and about a year of Gomez and whomever the comp pick was.

Singleton hasn't been released. He was outrighted off the 40-man, and assigned to AAA Fresno.

But your larger point is the same. At the time, and for a while after, many avid Phillies fans were probably a bit glum that their dum-dum GM had to give up a future power-hitting RF, All-Star 1B, and hard-throwing SP for 1 1/2 years of Pence. It's still theoretically possible that any of those 3 could blossom into something, but it's now 5 years later and it hasn't happened.

Quote from: MusicMan on November 23, 2016, 01:00:01 pm

Flipping Cosart was really the key.

The timing was quite good on that one.

juliogotay · « **Reply #143 on:** November 23, 2016, 05:34:32 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on November 23, 2016, 03:25:43 pm

Singleton hasn't been released. He was outrighted off the 40-man, and assigned to AAA Fresno.

But your larger point is the same. At the time, and for a while after, many avid Phillies fans were probably a bit glum that their dum-dum GM had to give up a future power-hitting RF, All-Star 1B, and hard-throwing SP for 1 1/2 years of Pence. It's still theoretically possible that any of those 3 could blossom into something, but it's now 5 years later and it hasn't happened.
The timing was quite good on that one.

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be critical of the deal Wade made for Pence. It looked very good at the time based on the scouting reports. Luhnow may have salvaged it with the flip of Cosart. If Martes reaches a #1 starter role, admittedly a leap of faith, it will be a good return if a delayed one.

austro · « **Reply #144 on:** November 23, 2016, 05:57:34 pm »

And I'd still like to hear from the folks who pilloried Singleton (and the Astros) for signing that $10MM contract a few years ago.

Reuben · « **Reply #145 on:** November 23, 2016, 06:00:27 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 23, 2016, 05:34:32 pm

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be critical of the deal Wade made for Pence. It looked very good at the time based on the scouting reports. Luhnow may have salvaged it with the flip of Cosart. If Martes reaches a #1 starter role, admittedly a leap of faith, it will be a good return if a delayed one.

No, I knew you weren't, and neither am I. It was probably the best deal that could've been made without a time machine; and one of the few high points of Wade's tenure.

It is now a good example of the high failure rate of even "blue chip" top 100-type prospects.

Duman · « **Reply #146 on:** November 23, 2016, 07:56:13 pm »

Which is a reminder to us to not flip out when prospects are traded.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #147 on:** November 23, 2016, 11:30:26 pm »

Quote from: Duman on November 23, 2016, 07:56:13 pm

Which is a reminder to us to not flip out when prospects are traded.

Exactly. Potential and $1 will get you a seat on a New Orleans streetcar.

mrpink · « **Reply #148 on:** November 24, 2016, 07:32:12 am »

Quote from: Reuben on November 23, 2016, 03:25:43 pm

It's still theoretically possible that any of those 3 could blossom into something, but it's now 5 years later and it hasn't happened.
The timing was quite good on that one.

Santana is still only 24. My money is on him playing in a few All-Star games before he's done.

Reuben · « **Reply #149 on:** November 24, 2016, 09:28:25 am »

Quote from: mrpink on November 24, 2016, 07:32:12 am

Santana is still only 24. My money is on him playing in a few All-Star games before he's done.

Singleton just turned 25, but given the steep decline in his AAA numbers, it would certainly take a dramatic turnaround for him to make any All-Star team.

roadrunner · « **Reply #150 on:** November 24, 2016, 09:54:20 am »

The Singleton signing was one of the more obnoxious moments in that 3ish year battle of Astros vs media (mainly Drellich), and the Astros have been proven right in every situation over the long run...even though they technically lost the Singleton deal. But the point is that it was not "taking advantage" of a player.

If I had to rank the battles in order of aggravation, I would put it as:

1) Aiken fiasco - so fucking fitting he literally got hurt in his first outing of pro baseball.
2) Drellich's article of anonymous sources saying the Astros were treating the players based on their stats - the Astros surprisingly made the playoffs in 2015 way ahead of schedule.
3) Singleton contract - ended up being the best decision of Jon SIngleton's life.

I feel like I'm missing others but those are off the top of my head.

juliogotay · « **Reply #151 on:** November 24, 2016, 10:42:00 am »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on November 23, 2016, 11:30:26 pm

Exactly. Potential and $1 will get you a seat on a New Orleans streetcar.

I remember when I could ride it for a quarter.