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Take out slides...
« on: October 10, 2015, 10:52:48 pm »
Just saw the Utley slide into Tejada tonight (sending Tejada out on the cart). Reminded me a bit of the Gregorius (NYY) slide into Altuve the other night. Which made me curious, what are the rules (written or unwritten) for whether or not a take out slide is appropriate?
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Re: Take out slides...
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 11:58:02 pm »
I'm glad you started this thread. I like hard nosed plays and the tradition involved with that, but when you miss a bag, knock the shit out of someone, and then don't bother going back to touch the bag after the person you knocked the shit out of is "out of the play"....?! The spirit of the game is not being honored. It's an impossible call for an ump to make. It's an impossible call for the runner to make mid slide! He has a job to do but,  damn.... Tonight's night game was a great one but that play ruined it for me.

Utley never looked at the bag. He was fixated on Tejada. I get that though, we see that all the time. Utley made a play that he thought was paramount... And it was. Utley didnt start running thinking "I'm gunna hurt this guy". Whats the solution though? Imagine if that was Altuve with a cast on?

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2015, 12:40:50 am »
I'd imagine we'll see a 'Tejada rule' next year similar (in spirit) to the 'Posey rule' we got a couple of years back...


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Re: Take out slides...
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2015, 12:42:30 am »
Not sure what the written rules are but the unwritten rules from my experience is that you slide hard but you slide before you get to the base and you slide toward the base. Gregorious slide toward the base but didn't start until he was right on top of it, somewhat dirty. Utley made no attempt to slide toward the base, he went straight at tejeda to take him out, extremely dirty, to me anyway.

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2015, 07:21:42 am »
Boys, pull up a chair and let me tell you a story. In the old days, you would see football blocks at second base. The modern rule is you have to be able to touch the base during your slide. A hard slide to break up a DP is part of baseball, IMO.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2015, 10:13:23 am »
Watching the replay, it's impossible to see any purpose in Utley's slide other than taking out Tejada.  He was at the bag, and he was out of the baseline.  That's dirty.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2015, 10:27:24 am »

Boys, pull up a chair and let me tell you a story. In the old days, you would see football blocks at second base. The modern rule is you have to be able to touch the base during your slide. A hard slide to break up a DP is part of baseball, IMO.

I have no problem going to the high school / college rule that you must slide directly into the bag.


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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2015, 10:35:41 am »
I read all the outrage on twitter last night, just got around to seeing the play.  If the SS doesn't get hurt, nobody is even talking about this.  It wasn't dirty, imo.  Aggressive sure, but he is trying to breakup a double play in playoff game
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2015, 10:40:23 am »
A submarine throw by the pivot man can be an effective counter measure to the hard slide but it isn't always an option.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2015, 11:05:53 am »
I read all the outrage on twitter last night, just got around to seeing the play.  If the SS doesn't get hurt, nobody is even talking about this.  It wasn't dirty, imo.  Aggressive sure, but he is trying to breakup a double play in playoff game

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2015, 11:23:41 am »
Of Course if that was Jeter who got taken out, Utley would currently be in prison.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2015, 12:02:15 pm »
I have no problem going to the high school / college rule that you must slide directly into the bag.
Is that a rule on all plays, or just force plays?  What about slides into home?
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2015, 12:27:37 pm »
The Major League rule says:

"Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;"

That's a pretty broad definition, but it's generally interpreted that the runner at 2B must be able to reach the bag.

As for college/high school/LL rules...contrary to popular belief, there is no "must slide" rule.  There is a "no collision" rule.  You cannot simply plow a guy over, but you do not have to slide.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2015, 12:56:45 pm »
I have no problem going to the high school / college rule that you must slide directly into the bag.


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I saw nothing wrong with Utley's slide.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2015, 01:07:51 pm »
I saw nothing wrong with Utley's slide.

Just grist for this mill...

MLB rules defines a "slide" as: "if the runner’s buttocks and legs should hit the ground before contact".  I think the Mets' gripe was that it wasn't a slide, it was a tackle.  Not that there's anything wrong with a tackle there...
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2015, 01:08:00 pm »
I saw nothing wrong with Utley's slide.

Me either, except for that whole being past the base, out of the line,  and aiming at Tejada thing.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2015, 01:34:42 pm »
Me either, except for that whole being past the base, out of the line,  and aiming at Tejada thing.

He touched the base with his left hand, which is ally is required, and of course he was aiming at Tejada. That is called breaking up a DP.
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2015, 02:00:32 pm »
It's one thing to break up a double play. It's another to break a guy's leg. I hope the Mets put one in Utley's fucking earhole.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2015, 02:41:22 pm »
He touched the base with his left hand, which is ally is required, and of course he was aiming at Tejada. That is called breaking up a DP.

I didn't think it was clear that Utley touched the bag, but this is a pretty confusing interview:  http://m.mlb.com/news/article/154045406/torre-interview-after-mets-dodgers-game-2
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2015, 02:52:04 pm »
He should have been called out...the slide was clearly not in an attempt to be safe at second...he i
Was way over the bag on his slide...should be fined and suspended for life...cheap shit
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