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Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« on: October 09, 2015, 07:41:11 pm »
Kazmir to Cain and Perez to Hosmer.

Pettis should have sent Rasmus in the first. I would have, anyway.

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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 07:55:17 pm »
Kazmir to Cain and Perez to Hosmer.

Pettis should have sent Rasmus in the first. I would have, anyway.

Keuchel's game now is huge.

I'm sure it's selective memory on my part, but it seems like the Astros give up an inordinate number of 2-strike hits.

Keuchel's game is indeed huge. A win there, and McCullers is probably on top of the world and pitches well on Monday. If they're down a game and McCullers feels like he has to save the season, I'm worried.
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 08:12:22 pm »
I'm sure it's selective memory on my part, but it seems like the Astros give up an inordinate number of 2-strike hits.

Keuchel's game is indeed huge. A win there, and McCullers is probably on top of the world and pitches well on Monday. If they're down a game and McCullers feels like he has to save the season, I'm worried.

Both of those two were to hitters who were ready to make outs. To me, that was the game.

I agree with your assessment of Monday and McCullers.
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 09:27:54 pm »
I agree with your assessment of Monday and McCullers.

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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 10:42:13 pm »
I think the one by Cain was  the turning point in the game.  I was surprised Kazmir came out in the 6th, as he'd started his usual nibble  fest the inning before.
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Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2015, 10:57:30 pm »
Kazmir to Cain and Perez to Hosmer.

Pettis should have sent Rasmus in the first. I would have, anyway.

Keuchel's game now is huge.

Correa's  near-miss (just foul into the RF corner) with the bases juiced followed by the GIDP ended up being huge as well...


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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2015, 11:14:09 pm »
Fuck it. These type of games are easy to analyze to death. It took everything going the Royals way after the Rasmussen home run for them to barely pull this game out.

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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 06:23:08 am »
Fuck it. These type of games are easy to analyze to death. It took everything going the Royals way after the Rasmussen home run for them to barely pull this game out.

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I agree with this, but analyzing games is what we do. I agreed with Hinch in the 6th: let Kazmir try to get through the 6th and get him out at the first sign of trouble. Cain's hit was because Kazmir did NOT nibble on 0-2. The pitch was too hit table when burying a slider under his hands or a changeover low and away or a FB in his eyes was needed. Perez had Hosmer and threw one he could reach. That one was pure luck.
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 08:59:56 am »
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 11:15:09 am »
On the pitch Hosmer hit:
It sounds like they're saying 702,315 pitches were thrown that far outside and low, but I'm 99% sure that's the total number of pitches thrown (in any location) this season (about 145 pitches per team per game x 162). I'm curious to know how many pitches were thrown in that location, and what the resulting ratio of 20 hits to that many pitches is.

Either way, yes - pure bad fuckin' luck.
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2015, 12:18:11 am »
I agree with this, but analyzing games is what we do. I agreed with Hinch in the 6th: let Kazmir try to get through the 6th and get him out at the first sign of trouble. Cain's hit was because Kazmir did NOT nibble on 0-2. The pitch was too hit table when burying a slider under his hands or a changeover low and away or a FB in his eyes was needed. Perez had Hosmer and threw one he could reach. That one was pure luck.

I certainly didn't mean to suggest we not analyze. But that game made me sick. We can talk for days about how the Astors lost that game and spend less than one second talking about how the Royals "won" it. Yes. Their bullpen was good. I can't even watch a highlight of the Hosmer "hit". Makes me want to puke out weeks worth of frito pies.

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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2015, 03:18:30 am »
I for one was SCREAMING "BOUNCE A PITCH, GODDAMNIT!" on both of those.
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Re: Two 0-2 pitches and the shift
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2015, 07:18:21 am »
Just read what autocorrect did to my post. Ugh.
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