Texans '11

[Lurch]

Holy shit, what a half!  I get that the Colts don't have Peyton, but was he on their D line, too?

[Lurch]

Greatest half ever?  Greatest half ever.

[austro]

Ridiculous, and now a punt return for a TD. There will be some day later this year when we'll need to remember this half.

[MusicMan]

Don't get too excited.  The Colts are the worst team in the league if they don't have Manning.

[BizidyDizidy]

It's really going to suck when Luck goes to Indy.

[MusicMan]

Even in victory, Schaub looks shaky.

[Alkie]

Even in victory, Schaub looks shaky.

Silly Texan fan.  Game ain't over yit.

[austro]

Even in victory, Schaub looks shaky.

It's also apparent that they still can't cover anybody.

[chuck]

The Texans have all kinds of problems but 1-0 against a division foe is a hell of a lot better than 0-1.

I am very surprised by several of the games this weekend. I certainly did not have Buffalo whipping the shit out of KC. Wow. Chicago blowing out Atlanta? I didn't see that either. I expected Baltimore to win at home but Pittsburgh looks as bad as I've seen them in forever. One thing that does not surprise me is Detroit's beating up on Ty's Bucs. I've been telling anyone who would listen (surprisingly few in number) that Detroit is going to be good. Not win the division good, but at the very least go on the road and beat bad teams good.

[HudsonHawk]

Great first half, sloppy, sloppy second half. Kubiak still can't stay off his dick. Lot's of improvement needed if they don't want to end with 6 wins again. But a win's a win. Victory cigar time.

[Rebel Jew]

The Texans have all kinds of problems but 1-0 against a division foe is a hell of a lot better than 0-1.

I am very surprised by several of the games this weekend. I certainly did not have Buffalo whipping the shit out of KC. Wow. Chicago blowing out Atlanta? I didn't see that either. I expected Baltimore to win at home but Pittsburgh looks as bad as I've seen them in forever. One thing that does not surprise me is Detroit's beating up on Ty's Bucs. I've been telling anyone who would listen (surprisingly few in number) that Detroit is going to be good. Not win the division good, but at the very least go on the road and beat bad teams good.

national jump-to-conclusions week begins

[chuck]

So I debase myself by rooting for the Cowboys and they proceed to lose in a spectacularly idiotic fashion. That's sort of like drunkenly and significantly lowering your standards and then getting the clap out of the deal.

[BudGirl]

So I debase myself by rooting for the Cowboys and they proceed to lose in a spectacularly idiotic fashion. That's sort of like drunkenly and significantly lowering your standards and then getting the clap out of the deal.

Seemed like the way the Texans lose, doesn't it?

Same shit, different year (Romo wise).

[chuck]

Seemed like the way the Texans lose, doesn't it?

I found it very familiar, yes.

[JaneDoe]

So I debase myself by rooting for the Cowboys and they proceed to lose in a spectacularly idiotic fashion. That's sort of like drunkenly and significantly lowering your standards and then getting the clap out of the deal.

I was rooting against the Jets.  And was incredibly disappointed.

[jbm]

Seemed like the way the Texans lose, doesn't it?

Same shit, different year (Romo wise).

Yes.  Similar to Shaub and Kubiak.  If you are optimistic, or apparently foolish, you can convince yourself that they have turned the corner, only to realize that those things don't change.

I'm sure there are many examples of players and coaches overcoming their boneheadedness, but it seems like most orgs are optimistic and rarely cut bait too early and instead wait too long.

[MusicMan]

That's sort of like drunkenly and significantly lowering your standards and then getting the clap out of the deal.

Apropos to a Tony Romo team.

[HudsonHawk]

Yes.  Similar to Shaub and Kubiak.  If you are optimistic, or apparently foolish, you can convince yourself that they have turned the corner, only to realize that those things don't change.

Both Schaub and Kubiak are what they are.  Schaub is capable.  Kubiak is a football moron.  They have enough talent to overcome the latter, but he's not turning the corner on anything.  He is what he is...someone who can coach 12-win talent to 10 wins.

[sporadic]

Both Schaub and Kubiak are what they are.  Schaub is capable.  Kubiak is a football moron.  They have enough talent to overcome the latter, but he's not turning the corner on anything.  He is what he is...someone who can coach 12-win talent to 10 wins.

I think you are just a bit off, there.  Kubiak is not a football moron, he is quite capable as an OC...he is a gameday moron (as a HC).  And, I will take the over on 10 wins - Baltimore and NO may be the only games you guys will not be favored in for the remainder of the year - but I understand your line of thinking.

[HudsonHawk]

I think you are just a bit off, there.  Kubiak is not a football moron, he is quite capable as an OC...he is a gameday moron (as a HC).  And, I will take the over on 10 wins - Baltimore and NO may be the only games you guys will not be favored in for the remainder of the year - but I understand your line of thinking.

Favored or not, I see the Texans winning 10 games.  I think they'll struggle with NO, PIT, BAL, ATL, plus they'll split with IND and JAX.  My prediction, not my hope.  Of course, they should have easily won 10, if not 11 or 12, games last year.

[hostros7]

I think they'll struggle with NO, PIT, BAL, ATL, plus they'll split with IND and JAX. 

I think you can add Miami and Tampa to this list.  The TOs yesterday were not impressive.  My hope is that Schaub was just rusty because he wasn't that accurate with his passes.

[MusicMan]

Baltimore is going to run the train on them.

I don't think Indy can win because I don't think Manning's coming back this year.

[HudsonHawk]

I think you can add Miami and Tampa to this list.  The TOs yesterday were not impressive.  My hope is that Schaub was just rusty because he wasn't that accurate with his passes.

Schaub was a little rusty, but he also is not a really accurate passer, and he doesn't always make good decisions, especially under pressure.  He's going to throw interceptions, and a good many will be at really inopportune times.  He is what he is.  But as long as he isn't asked to do to much (read: Kubiak doesn't inexplicably decide to stop running the ball down the other team's collective throat), he'll be perfectly serviceable.

But you're right, two turnovers in the 4Q is simply unacceptable, if this team wants to make the playoffs.

[HudsonHawk]

Baltimore is going to run the train on them.

I don't think Indy can win because I don't think Manning's coming back this year.

Yesterday the Colts' offense didn't suffer from just a lack of Manning, but also from the dumbing down required because Collins has only been there two weeks.  They only had half of their playbook even available to them.  That will change with time, even without Manning.  I don't expect they'll be world beaters without him, but they won't be as discombobulated as they were yesterday.

[EasTexAstro]

Yesterday the Colts' offense didn't suffer from just a lack of Manning, but also from the dumbing down required because Collins has only been there two weeks.  They only had half of their playbook even available to them.  That will change with time, even without Manning.  I don't expect they'll be world beaters without him, but they won't be as discombobulated as they were yesterday.

The Texan's defense might improve a little, too, once they get more accustomed to Wade's schemes. I think they took it down a notch or two in the second half, too. Not quite prevent on defense, but trying to keep the ball in the middle of the field and let the clock wind down.  I couldn't believe the Texans going to the sidelines as much as they did instead of falling and letting the clock run/keeping from getting hurt.

[EasTexAstro]

Schaub was a little rusty, but he also is not a really accurate passer, and he doesn't always make good decisions, especially under pressure.  He's going to throw interceptions, and a good many will be at really inopportune times.  He is what he is.  But as long as he isn't asked to do to much (read: Kubiak doesn't inexplicably decide to stop running the ball down the other team's collective throat), he'll be perfectly serviceable.

But you're right, two turnovers in the 4Q is simply unacceptable, if this team wants to make the playoffs.

Schaub was saved by some fine receiving. He was high, he was behind, he was just plain off. I am not a Schaub basher, but he looked rough quite a bit yesterday.

[Andyzipp]

The Texan's defense might improve a little, too, once they get more accustomed to Wade's schemes.

Nope.  Not possible.  Kubiak, something, his dick, something, loss.

[MRaup]

Yesterday the Colts' offense didn't suffer from just a lack of Manning, but also from the dumbing down required because Collins has only been there two weeks.  They only had half of their playbook even available to them.  That will change with time, even without Manning.  I don't expect they'll be world beaters without him, but they won't be as discombobulated as they were yesterday.

Small detail... Kerry Collins is terrible.

[HudsonHawk]

The Texan's defense might improve a little, too, once they get more accustomed to Wade's schemes. I think they took it down a notch or two in the second half, too. Not quite prevent on defense, but trying to keep the ball in the middle of the field and let the clock wind down.  I couldn't believe the Texans going to the sidelines as much as they did instead of falling and letting the clock run/keeping from getting hurt.

They played the defensive scrubs for a good part of the second half yesterday, so that didn't bother me too much.  The turnover, and Kubiak's dick-stepping play calling were big negatives though.

[EasTexAstro]

Nope.  Not possible.  Kubiak, something, his dick, something, loss.

That is very likely. See: lack of a control offense in the 2nd half. They were still trying to open it up when they could have been trying to frustrate the Colts with good ball control.

Of course, I say that right after criticizing Schaub's accuracy and timing, so I should just shut up.

[HudsonHawk]

Small detail... Kerry Collins is terrible.

I wouldn't say he's terrible.  He's as slow as you and me put together (or something like that), but he's still got a strong, accurate arm.  Plus I know the rest of the offense isn't terrible.  Given more time, I think the Colts' offense will be much better by Christmas.

[Limey]

He's as slow as you and me put together (or something like that),

A drunk glacier?

[Lurch]

Very solid D so far today

[austro]

Very solid D so far today

I"m not sold yet.

[austro]

Marshall is a pretty significant advantage for Miami.

[Lurch]

Marshall is a pretty significant advantage for Miami.

Meanwhile, their kicker...

[chuck]

I"m not sold yet.

I'm sold. I'm sold on the fact that the defense is very vulnerable to the run up the middle, and the secondary is scarcely any better than it was last year despite two high profile additions. Kareem Jackson is a joke.

[Bench]

I'm sold. I'm sold on the fact that the defense is very vulnerable to the run up the middle, and the secondary is scarcely any better than it was last year despite two high profile additions. Kareem Jackson is a joke.

At least we haven't yet seen a 3rd and 20 draw play for a first down. 

[austro]

At least we haven't yet seen a 3rd and 20 draw play for a first down. 

Yet.

[HudsonHawk]

Yet.

Don't worry, Kubiak's already stomping his dick this game.  He'll get around to it.  So much to fuck up, so little time.

[HudsonHawk]

Someone needs to explain to the Texans what a draw play is.  And Jason Allen is pointless on Brandon Marshall.  You can't give a guy a 15 yard cushion on the 12 yard line.

[HudsonHawk]

Don't try to run the ball or anything Kubiak...that might lead to positive yardage.

[Lurch]

How do you leave AJ open in the endzone?  Thanks

[Rebel Jew]

Man, that wide receiver screen to Casey was a sweet play! If one of the linemen had been aware of the linebacker coming from the backside that would have been a giant play. Kubiak is obviously not without some significant flaws, but play design is not one of them.

[Rebel Jew]

not sure what's worse, the creeping feeling that the texans have blown this game by not scoring TD's in the red zone, or hearing that feeling personified through dan dierdorf's voice.

[chuck]

not sure what's worse, the creeping feeling that the texans have blown this game by not scoring TD's in the red zone, or hearing that feeling personified through dan dierdorf's voice.

I don't understand a single thing that happened in the possession after the interception.

[austro]

2nd and 10, they steamroll the Saints for 6 yards on the ground. 3rd and 4? Let's run some cute little dump-off bullshit that's incomplete. Makes no sense.

[Rebel Jew]

2nd and 10, they steamroll the Saints for 6 yards on the ground. 3rd and 4? Let's run some cute little dump-off bullshit that's incomplete. Makes no sense.

Schaub's doing a terrible job adjusting when his first option is taken away. He's blown three third down passes inside the ten.

[HudsonHawk]

Schaub's doing a terrible job adjusting when his first option is taken away. He's blown three third down passes inside the ten.

Which is par for Schaub.  Kubiak's stepped on his dick by not running the ball inside the 10 yard line.

[Rebel Jew]

Which is par for Schaub.  Kubiak's stepped on his dick by not running the ball inside the 10 yard line.

both the dump-off to daniels and the bizarre hot route slant to andre (when there was no blitz and andre wasn't expecting the pass) seemed like give-up passes. if the texans lose this game it will be because of mistakes because i can't see what the saints d can do to stop them in the second half.

[HudsonHawk]

both the dump-off to daniels and the bizarre hot route slant to andre (when there was no blitz and andre wasn't expecting the pass) seemed like give-up passes. if the texans lose this game it will be because of mistakes because i can't see what the saints d can do to stop them in the second half.

They can't.  The only thing that can stop the Texans offense is Gary Kubiak.  Never underestimate his ability.

[Rebel Jew]

They can't.  The only thing that can stop the Texans offense is Gary Kubiak.  Never underestimate his ability.

this is, to me, the catch-22 about rooting for the texans. they seem on track to finally make the playoffs, but once they get there it's hard not to envision a soul-crushing goal-line stand or schaub pick-six. my worst memory by far as an oiler fan was the loss to montana and the chiefs in the divisional playoff. there were more embarrassing moments to be sure, but that's the one where they were finally the better team and played a better game but just blew it. that's the type of playoff game i see these texans blowing-- a home wildcard game to somebody like the dolphins, bills, raiders, titans, etc.

[HudsonHawk]

this is, to me, the catch-22 about rooting for the texans. they seem on track to finally make the playoffs, but once they get there it's hard not to envision a soul-crushing goal-line stand or schaub pick-six. my worst memory by far as an oiler fan was the loss to montana and the chiefs in the divisional playoff. there were more embarrassing moments to be sure, but that's the one where they were finally the better team and played a better game but just blew it. that's the type of playoff game i see these texans blowing-- a home wildcard game to somebody like the dolphins, bills, raiders, titans, etc.

That's just your own imagination.  The Oilers have exactly squat to do with the Texans. 

[HudsonHawk]

Well, the Texans have absolutely dominated this game, and are now losing it.  First time this season they've been behind. 

[HudsonHawk]

You will not beat the Saints kicking field goals.  Period.

[Rebel Jew]

Kubiak sure loves the 'handoff to the back-up running back' thing. 2nd and short handoff to slaton destroys the drive.

[Rebel Jew]

You will not beat the Saints kicking field goals.  Period.

serious question, what would you do differently on these red zone drives? more running the ball? less fixating on one player?

[HudsonHawk]

serious question, what would you do differently on these red zone drives? more running the ball? less fixating on one player?

You run the fucking ball.  The Saints cannot stop the run.  Simply cannot.  Yet when they've got in the red zone, the've abondoned the run.  Schaub is NOT that kind of QB. 

This is going to get ugly.  Kubiak is going to get slaughtered by Payton in the second half. 

[chuck]

serious question, what would you do differently on these red zone drives? more running the ball? less fixating on one player?

Simple. The answer is always:

Spread the field and run the ball.

[BizidyDizidy]

Fuck yeah manning.

[Lurch]

Manning plays a solid center field

[Rebel Jew]

Fuck yeah manning.

two ints of brees plus a punt. texans have scored on every posession. we need 7 points very badly

[HudsonHawk]

two ints of brees plus a punt. texans have scored on every posession. we need 7 points very badly

They've punted at least once.

[Rebel Jew]

They've punted at least once.

you're right. one punt

[Lurch]

How about the Texan fan turnout in NO

[Rebel Jew]

btw, yet another excuse for not winning the division out the window-- kenny britt likely out for the season with knee injury

[Alkie]

Wow.

[Lurch]

THAT was a fucking catch

[Rebel Jew]

woohoo!!!

[remy]

Ho-lee shit what a pass and catch.

[chuck]

That was fucking ridiculous.

[BizidyDizidy]

That's a FB. What a weapon.

[austro]

What a catch by Casey!

[HudsonHawk]

That's a FB. What a weapon.

I'm really digging Casey at FB.  Don't get me wrong, Vonta Leach was a helluva blocker and a good receiver out of the backfield, but that's a dimension that he simply doesn't have. 

[BizidyDizidy]

I'm really digging Casey at FB.  Don't get me wrong, Vonta Leach was a helluva blocker and a good receiver out of the backfield, but that's a dimension that he simply doesn't have. 

The stuff they can do motioning him around is a great opportunity for mismatches as well.

[Rebel Jew]

I'm really digging Casey at FB.  Don't get me wrong, Vonta Leach was a helluva blocker and a good receiver out of the backfield, but that's a dimension that he simply doesn't have.  

Casey's made plays today as a lead blocker, wide receiver, running back, and obviously two huge plays as a receiver out of the backfield. he's done everything but throw a pass-- i need to shut up before i give kubiak ideas.

[BizidyDizidy]

Nice to see Mario back out there.

This defense is a great fit for Smith,

[chuck]

Antonio Smith is damn near unrecognizable in this defense.

[BizidyDizidy]

Remember, he was a 3-4 DE when we signed him. Square peg, round hole?

[BizidyDizidy]

There are some many new and exciting feelings with this Texan's team - getting a stop on that possesion? Wow.

[chuck]

he's done everything but throw a pass-- i need to shut up before i give kubiak ideas.

You know I called that weeks ago.

[Rebel Jew]

You know I called that weeks ago.

yes i remember, and we all know that it will happen at some point this year

[HudsonHawk]

You know I called that weeks ago.

If anyone other than Schaub throws a pass, it better be Owen Daniel.

[chuck]

yes i remember, and we all know that it will happen at some point this year

Not one of my more perspicacious prognostications, no.

[BizidyDizidy]

Tate doesn't seem to be much with his hands.

[HudsonHawk]

RUN THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chuck]

If anyone other than Schaub throws a pass, it better be Owen Daniel.

It better be Matt Leinart because the team is up by 40 points and Schaub is standing on the sideline in a baseball cap.

[HudsonHawk]

It better be Matt Leinart because the team is up by 40 points and Schaub is standing on the sideline in a baseball cap.

If Leinart's in the game and needs to throw a pass, the Texans are fucked. 



Kind of like if they continue to let Kubiak coach.

[HudsonHawk]

Had a chance to put the game away...but stepped on their dicks.

[HudsonHawk]

Ingram's a load.  He's going to be a good RB in this league.

[BizidyDizidy]

Here we go...

[Rebel Jew]

Here we go...

this is the game right here for the texans. they're fully capable of a long touchdown drive to ice the game. no fucking around, no schaub decision plays.

[BizidyDizidy]

Schaub is just not that accurate

[HudsonHawk]

Fuck.  I give up.  Kubiak is hopeless.  Utterly.  Fucking.  Hopeless.

[Rebel Jew]

this is the game right here for the texans. they're fully capable of a long touchdown drive to ice the game. no fucking around, no schaub decision plays.

dammit kubiak, what did i just say???

[BizidyDizidy]

Same old shit

[HudsonHawk]

This is a 13-14-win talent team.  Kubiak will squeeze 8 wins out of them.

[BizidyDizidy]

Both passes on that drive were to wide open receivers

[HudsonHawk]

Shut the fuck up Jackson.  You're getting your lunch eaten.

[Lurch]

Brees is pretty good.

[HudsonHawk]

Twice...TWICE...the Texans had the chance to put the game away if they just run the ball. 

I am so fucking sick of Bob McNair not giving a flying FUCK about this team.

[BizidyDizidy]

Jackson continues to be terrible.

[HudsonHawk]

Oh now you run.  What a dumbfuck.

[Alkie]

Oh now you run.  What a dumbfuck.

Gotta kill some clock.

[HudsonHawk]

So now you waste a timeout.  Kubiak is in prime form today.

[Alkie]

So now you waste a timeout.  Kubiak is in prime form today.

Gotta stop the clock.

[HudsonHawk]

Gotta stop the clock.

I notice you only show up when they Texans step on their dicks.  NTTAWWT.

[remy]

Well one things for sure, we won't be seeing a fucking field goal on this drive.

[BizidyDizidy]

WTF mate.

[austro]

Just like they drew it up.

[Alkie]

I notice you only show up when they Texans step on their dicks.  NTTAWWT.

You should notice closer, then.   I been here the entire game.

If you think I care enough about hating the Texans, you're sorely, sorely mistaken.   Frankly, I don't care what they do.  Sort of like their owner.

[BizidyDizidy]

Schaub, you cannot throw off your back foot. Just forget that idea.

[Rebel Jew]

Schaub, you cannot throw off your back foot. Just forget that idea.

i'm actually starting to warm up to the idea of casey throwing a pass in this game

[remy]

Clusterfuck TD.

Too much time left... Time to watch Brees the surgeon.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Wow.

[HudsonHawk]

No lead is safe as long as Kareem Jackson is on this team.

[BizidyDizidy]

Brees is really fucking good at football.

[austro]

Kareem Jackson is pretty useless.

[austro]

Cushing on Sproles? That's not going to work very well.

[HudsonHawk]

At some point, does it make sense to try to pressure the QB?

[BizidyDizidy]

They are trying, it is hard with Brees.

What I don't understand is why they are targeting Joseph of all people.

[HudsonHawk]

They are trying, it is hard with Brees.

Brees is not the problem.  It's the lack of guys rushing him.

[austro]

Suck.

[HudsonHawk]

Well that was easy.

[BizidyDizidy]

I am happy with that actually.

[Alkie]

Plenty of time.

[BizidyDizidy]

Now that was fucking embarassing.

[austro]

I am happy with that actually.

Yeah, it seemed inevitable. Better that it happen quickly and leave some time on the clock.

Noe, why is Kareem Jackson on this team?

[HudsonHawk]

Same fucking play.  Kubiak is getting schooled.

[remy]

Ok. Time to see what kind of 2 minute drill we can pull out of our ass.

Moore? Are you fucking kidding me?

[chuck]

Motherfucker this is a stupid fucking team. THAT WAS THE SAME FUCKING PLAY YOU DUMBFUCKS.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Vintage Brees. Vintage Texan dickstepping.

[Rebel Jew]

almost 40 points scored so far in the 4th quarter. kubiak allowed this game to turn into a shootout.

[Lurch]

Where is Andre?

[Rebel Jew]

Where is Andre?

probably triple-covered while we force it to our 2nd-string tight end on two consecutive plays with the game on the line

[BizidyDizidy]

That was pretty fucking tickytack.

[HudsonHawk]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

[Rebel Jew]

come on, kubiak! how do you not see that big blitz coming?>??

[BizidyDizidy]

It's been real folks.

[austro]

Because the Texans don't blitz on 3rd down, it's probably a complete surprise when the opponent does so.

[HudsonHawk]

come on, kubiak! how do you not see that big blitz coming?>??

If the Texans don't have at least a three touchdown lead at half, they don't stand a chance.  Every other coach in the league will absolutely work Kubiak over in the second half.

[HudsonHawk]

What time does the Bucs game start?

[Alkie]

Not triple coverage.   Quintuple coverage.

[remy]

Fucking fuck. Cowboys better lose tomorrow to cheer me up.

[BizidyDizidy]

Could've been worse - could've been to Buffalo (see Pats, NE).

[Rebel Jew]

If the Texans don't have at least a three touchdown lead at half, they don't stand a chance.  Every other coach in the league will absolutely work Kubiak over in the second half.

Jim Caldwell would like that opportunity

[Alkie]

What time does the Bucs game start?

The Bills are beating the Pats, that should make you somewhat happier.

[BizidyDizidy]

The Bills are beating the Pats, that should make you somewhat happier.

Also Pats blew a bigger lead than the Texans I'm pretty sure.

[HudsonHawk]

The Bills are beating the Pats, that should make you somewhat happier.

Why would I give a shit about either of them?

[BizidyDizidy]

Save your fucking pity Dierdorf.

[HudsonHawk]

Save your fucking pity Dierdorf.

No shit.  It's the NFL.  A win's a win and a loss is a loss.  Nothing else matters.

[Alkie]

Why would I give a shit about either of them?

You should seriously consider a new team.  Following the Texans doesn't seem to agree with you much.

[HudsonHawk]

You should seriously consider a new team.  Following the Texans doesn't seem to agree with you much.

Kubiak doesn't agree with me.  Any other coach in the league and the Texans win this game handily.

[Rebel Jew]

The Bills are beating the Pats, that should make you somewhat happier.

hearing marv albert call an nfl game is pretty odd

[Limey]

The defense blows, but Schaub is no leader.  He sat on the bench and looked like he was going to cry the whole game, while Brees was animated, involved and energizing himself and his team.

When he fell over at the end, for no reason, then go a tap on the dome and acted like he been poleaxed, he showed his true colours. 

This team will win nothing with Schaub. 

[Rebel Jew]

The defense blows, but Schaub is no leader.  He sat on the bench and looked like he was going to cry the whole game, while Brees was animated, involved and energizing himself and his team.

When he fell over at the end, for no reason, then go a tap on the dome and acted like he been poleaxed, he showed his true colours.  

This team will win nothing with Schaub.  

Schaub is not the problem. He's a good but not great QB. You can win with him if you keep him doing the stuff he does well. He isn't the type of QB who can sit all day in the pocket in the red zone and rifle the ball through the defense, and certainly not the type who's going to outgun brees in a shootout. our defense certainly isn't designed to win games like that. wade can only patch the holes up the middle and in the secondary for so long.

[Limey]

Schaub is not the problem. He's a good but not great QB. You can win with him if you keep him doing the stuff he does well. He isn't the type of QB who can sit all day in the pocket in the red zone and rifle the ball through the defense, and certainly not the type who's going to outgun brees in a shootout.

That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about heart, desire and leadership - none of which he has. 

They can tweak anything they want, but they will never win consistently with the ball in Schaub's hands.

[Rebel Jew]

That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about heart, desire and leadership - none of which he has. 

They can tweak anything they want, but they will never win consistently with the ball in Schaub's hands.

You sound like a talk radio caller

[HudsonHawk]

You sound like a talk radio caller

He sounds like a guy who's been paying attention.

[Rebel Jew]

He sounds like a guy who's been paying attention.

are you kidding me? don't be one of these people who plays armchair psychologist and criticizes a player for not acting like some country high school coach on the sidelines. schaub has his faults as a QB, but they didn't lose today because he didn't rah rah it up between drives.

[HudsonHawk]

are you kidding me? don't be one of these people who plays armchair psychologist and criticizes a player for not acting like some country high school coach on the sidelines. schaub has his faults as a QB, but they didn't lose today because he didn't rah rah it up between drives.

Do you really think this is the first game anyone's seen Schaub play?

[BizidyDizidy]

They gave up 43 points - end of story on why they lost.

[remy]

You sound like a talk radio caller

Joey, why did you change your name?

[chuck]

They gave up 43 points - end of story on why they lost.

If the team had a competent head coach they could have given up 43 points and still won by at least two touchdowns.

[Rebel Jew]

Joey, why did you change your name?

This is my real name, "Joey" was just an internet message board thing

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

This is my real name, "Joey" was just an internet message board thing

I once knew a girl named Rebel. I can't recall her last name but it wasn't Jew.

[austro]

I think HH's point about second-half adjustments is a good one. The Texans come out with a good plan to start the game, but they seem to be unable to anticipate how the opponent will adapt to that plan at half-time. It's perplexing.

[austro]

I once knew a girl named Rebel. I can't recall her last name but it wasn't Jew.

Yell.

[Rebel Jew]

I once knew a girl named Rebel. I can't recall her last name but it wasn't Jew.

Normally last names like "Goldstein" are good enough tip-offs for your religion, but my parents just cut right to the chase

[chuck]

I will admit that I misunderestimated Arian Foster's value in comparison with Tate in terms of being a third down option and catching the ball out of the backfield.

[Limey]

are you kidding me? don't be one of these people who plays armchair psychologist and criticizes a player for not acting like some country high school coach on the sidelines. schaub has his faults as a QB, but they didn't lose today because he didn't rah rah it up between drives.

Inspirational players inspire other players to be better.  The QB is the team's leader - if he's parked on a bench not communicating with anything other than his navel, he's not doing his job.   

[Rebel Jew]

Inspirational players inspire other players to be better.  The QB is the team's leader - if he's parked on a bench not communicating with anything other than his navel, he's not doing his job.   

Tim Tebow furiously agrees with you

[HudsonHawk]

They gave up 43 points - end of story on why they lost.

Well, they gave up 40.  But 30 of those were in the 2H.  Kubiak getting schooled at halftime...again...is the end of story on why they lost.

[HudsonHawk]

I think HH's point about second-half adjustments is a good one. The Texans come out with a good plan to start the game, but they seem to be unable to anticipate how the opponent will adapt to that plan at half-time. It's perplexing.

Not really perplexing.  Kubiak simply gets outcoached.  Every.  Single.  Game. 

[austro]

Not really perplexing.  Kubiak simply gets outcoached.  Every.  Single.  Game.  

But he doesn't get outcoached at the start. His first-half game plans seem to really take advantage of the other team. I'm forced to conclude that he simply needs a lot of time to figure out his plan.

ETA: Maybe we could lobby for half-time to last a couple of days.

[HudsonHawk]

But he doesn't get outcoached at the start. His first-half game plans seem to really take advantage of the other team. I'm forced to conclude that he simply needs a lot of time to figure out his plan.

1) the Texans have way more talent than most teams.  2) I think you're right in that he seems to be able to plan the first few drives, given a week to prepare.  But coaching is about recognizing what the other team is doing and making adjustments.  Kubiak simply gets beaten like a drum when it comes to game situations.  It's like a baseball manager...filling out the lineup is one thing.  Making the right calls in 8th inning is something else.  

ETA:  couple that with his lack of situational awareness, and he's doomed.

[roadrunner]

I chalked this one up as a loss before the season started, but I'm too tired to try and defend Kubiak/Schaub.  Same story, different year....

[HudsonHawk]

Well, at least the Bucs won.

[Jacksonian]

Twice...TWICE...the Texans had the chance to put the game away if they just run the ball. 

Could be that Kubiak didn't have faith that his running game would be consistent enough to get it done.  And, he'd have been right.

[JimR]

Joey, why did you change your name?

attention. it worked

[Mr. Happy]

My Saints escaped with a win today.

[HudsonHawk]

Could be that Kubiak didn't have faith that his running game would be consistent enough to get it done.  And, he'd have been right.

They ran the ball whenever they wanted to.  The simple fact is, Kubiak is a football moron.  He is incapable of learning.  With any other coach in the league, the Texans win that game by two touchdowns.

[Jacksonian]

They ran the ball whenever they wanted to. 

No they didn't.  25 rushes total.  14 of those were for 3 yards or less (and only one of those was for 3 yards).  That's more than half gained almost nothing.  They ripped several big runs to get the bulk of their yardage, but they were completely inconsistent.  I don't know if the blocking was inconsistent or if the Saints knew what was coming or if Kubiak's run play calling was terrible, but they certainly weren't running at will.

[chuck]

No they didn't.  25 rushes total.  14 of those were for 3 yards or less (and only one of those was for 3 yards).  That's more than half gained almost nothing.  They ripped several big runs to get the bulk of their yardage, but they were completely inconsistent.  I don't know if the blocking was inconsistent or if the Saints knew what was coming or if Kubiak's run play calling was terrible, but they certainly weren't running at will.

A hallmark of a Kubiak offense is running the ball out of obvious running formations: two back sets, two tight end sets, etc. As you surely know the Texans have an undersized offensive line that is built for zone blocking. It is hopeless to ask this sort of line to blow a front seven or eight off the line of scrimmage.

Late in the season two years ago they suddenly discovered that spreading the field with Arian Foster and letting him run the ball yields results. Arian had his coming-out party against the Patriots when they ran the ball with tremendous success out of three and four wide receiver sets.

I recognize that Ben Tate is not Arian Foster, but it doesn't really matter who is in the backfield. The Texans cannot run the ball out of traditional running formations. They can run the ball, and very effectively, out of spread formations.

[roadrunner]

Things reaffirmed/learned:

- Schaub is not a playmaker, just a cog in an offense with weapons
- Kubiak is consistently outcoached
- Kareem Jackson is still terrible
- Ben Tate is not fine; this team needs Foster

[HudsonHawk]

No they didn't.  25 rushes total.  14 of those were for 3 yards or less (and only one of those was for 3 yards).  That's more than half gained almost nothing.  They ripped several big runs to get the bulk of their yardage, but they were completely inconsistent.  I don't know if the blocking was inconsistent or if the Saints knew what was coming or if Kubiak's run play calling was terrible, but they certainly weren't running at will.

Whenever they made up their mind to run the ball on first down, they were successful.  When they tried to run in obvious running situations, they struggled a bit. But that doesn't mean they couldn't run the ball.

[Jacksonian]

A hallmark of a Kubiak offense is running the ball out of obvious running formations: two back sets, two tight end sets, etc. As you surely know the Texans have an undersized offensive line that is built for zone blocking. It is hopeless to ask this sort of line to blow a front seven or eight off the line of scrimmage.

Late in the season two years ago they suddenly discovered that spreading the field with Arian Foster and letting him run the ball yields results. Arian had his coming-out party against the Patriots when they ran the ball with tremendous success out of three and four wide receiver sets.

I recognize that Ben Tate is not Arian Foster, but it doesn't really matter who is in the backfield. The Texans cannot run the ball out of traditional running formations. They can run the ball, and very effectively, out of spread formations.

The problem then is that inside the 10 the entire defense, safety's included, are within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.  Spreading them out works laterally, to some extent, but not vertically.

[HudsonHawk]

Things reaffirmed/learned:

- Schaub is not a playmaker, just a cog in an offense with weapons
- Kubiak is consistently outcoached
- Kareem Jackson is still terrible
- Ben Tate is not fine; this team needs Foster

I agree with all except the last one.  Tate is fine.  He's not Foster, but he's certainly serviceable in that offense. 

[HudsonHawk]

The problem then is that inside the 10 the entire defense, safety's included, are within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.  Spreading them out works laterally, to some extent, but not vertically.

This Texans team is not built to run inside the 10 yard line.  They simply cannot lineup and blow people off the line, which is what you have to do in the NFL.  They can have some success running wide, but three yards and a cloud of dust is not in their playbook.

[roadrunner]

I agree with all except the last one.  Tate is fine.  He's not Foster, but he's certainly serviceable in that offense. 

I don't think it's a coincidence that when Foster plays the red zone offense doesn't struggle.  Before and after Foster, the offense cannot convert.  Tate is a level below Foster in pretty much everything: speed, burst, vision, elusive moves, pass catching, pass blocking.  

Tate is fine, but this team needs Foster to hide the other problems.

[Jacksonian]

Whenever they made up their mind to run the ball on first down, they were successful.  When they tried to run in obvious running situations, they struggled a bit. But that doesn't mean they couldn't run the ball.

No they weren't. 1st down runs:

6 yards from the N 32
2 yards from the H 14
11 yards from the N 11
1 yard from the H 37
1 yard from the N 34
0 yards from the N 14
2 yards from the H 48 on 1st and 5
8 yards from the N 25
8 yards from the N 30
0 yards from the H 20

11 rushes on first down, 7 for less than 3 yards.

I think the big runs have skewed the viewers (myself included until I looked at the boxscores) perception.

[Jacksonian]

This Texans team is not built to run inside the 10 yard line.  They simply cannot lineup and blow people off the line, which is what you have to do in the NFL.  They can have some success running wide, but three yards and a cloud of dust is not in their playbook.

Then that, as you've been saying, is on the coach.

[HudsonHawk]

No they weren't. 1st down runs:

6 yards from the N 32
2 yards from the H 14
11 yards from the N 11
1 yard from the H 37
1 yard from the N 34
0 yards from the N 14
2 yards from the H 48 on 1st and 5
8 yards from the N 25
8 yards from the N 30
0 yards from the H 20

11 rushes on first down, 7 for less than 3 yards.

I think the big runs have skewed the viewers (myself included until I looked at the boxscores) perception.

I don't know what kind of football you've been watching, but that's pretty fucking good in the NFL.  If you expect them to go for 6 or 8 yards a carry, every single time, well, no wonder you think what you do.  This isn't OU vs. SW Hill Valley State.

[BizidyDizidy]

I don't know what kind of football you've been watching, but that's pretty fucking good in the NFL.  If you expect them to go for 6 or 8 yards a carry, every single time, well, no wonder you think what you do.  This isn't OU vs. SW Hill Valley State.

I don't know if 3.9 yards/carry is "pretty fucking good", but it is okay.

[Jacksonian]

I don't know what kind of football you've been watching, but that's pretty fucking good in the NFL.  If you expect them to go for 6 or 8 yards a carry, every single time, well, no wonder you think what you do.  This isn't OU vs. SW Hill Valley State.

A consistent 3-4 yard output is fine but not up and down.  How do run in the red zone if you have no idea if your back to going to get 0 or 8 which is what was happening yesterday.

The Texans had 7 carries that resulted in 8 or more yards to total 76 of their 109 yards rushing.  That means the other 18 carries netted just 33 yards.  That's inconsistent.

I agree they're potent, but you have no idea what you're going to get from play to play.

[Jacksonian]

I don't know if 3.9 yards/carry is "pretty fucking good", but it is okay.

In this case the average doesn't tell the story.

[Jacksonian]

I don't know what kind of football you've been watching, but that's pretty fucking good in the NFL.  If you expect them to go for 6 or 8 yards a carry, every single time, well, no wonder you think what you do.  This isn't OU vs. SW Hill Valley State.

Also that Saints run defense is mediocre, and they were without their starting middle linebacker.  The Texan running attack should have been more consistent.  Maybe it's the play calling.

[HudsonHawk]

A consistent 3-4 yard output is fine but not up and down.  How do run in the red zone if you have no idea if your back to going to get 0 or 8 which is what was happening yesterday.

Again, the Texans are not set up to run in the red zone like that.  But then again, we're talking about from your own 30 yard line with 10 minutes left and a 10 point lead.

The Texans had 7 carries that resulted in 8 or more yards to total 76 of their 109 yards rushing.  That means the other 18 carries netted just 33 yards.  That's inconsistent.

That's the NFL.  No team runs every single play for 4 yards.  I think we disagree on what it means to run successfully in this league.

I agree they're potent, but you have no idea what you're going to get from play to play.

You can't look at it from play to play.  You have to look at it as an approach.  Just because you get stuffed on one run play doesn't mean you can't run and should give up on trying to run.  You keep pounding and pounding. 

[BizidyDizidy]

MINN is the best rushing team in the NFL so far this year (best YPA, 3rd in total yards) ; their 1st down rushes vs Det:

3
7
4
1
2
1
1
0
2
-1

That's in a game where they average 5.7 yards per carry; that's just how it goes in the NFL.

[HudsonHawk]

Also that Saints run defense is mediocre, and they were without their starting middle linebacker.  The Texan running attack should have been more consistent.  Maybe it's the play calling.

If they had been running more during the game, they'd have been more successful late in the game.  Running the ball gets easier, if you've been doing it all game.

[sporadic]

the Texans are just way too predictable.  The Saints have been a bad short yardage team this year...when they got inside the 10 in the 4th quarter yesterday, they ran a power iso out of a 3 reciever set, putting their big RB against a smaller defensive lineup. The Saints did not try to go heavy (that made Houston stay honest to both the run and pass, giving NO favorable matchups in both departments). Houston, too often, tries to go heavy in obvious run situations.  Does not matter how well you run the ball, that battle goes to the defense more often than not.

[HudsonHawk]

the Texans are just way too predictable.  The Saints have been a bad short yardage team this year...when they got inside the 10 in the 4th quarter yesterday, they ran a power iso out of a 3 reciever set, putting their big RB against a smaller defensive lineup. The Saints did not try to go heavy (that made Houston stay honest to both the run and pass, giving NO favorable matchups in both departments). Houston, too often, tries to go heavy in obvious run situations.  Does not matter how well you run the ball, that battle goes to the defense more often than not.

You know, you can take your puke avatar and go sit in the corner.

[Jacksonian]

Again, the Texans are not set up to run in the red zone like that.  But then again, we're talking about from your own 30 yard line with 10 minutes left and a 10 point lead.

Here's where you nail Kubiak.  In the 4th quarter they had 1 first down run.  It was from the Texan 20 and went for 0 yards.

Perhaps closer to your point they ran 3 times on first down in the third quarter: 2 yards, 8 yards, 8 yards.  The 2 eights were in NO territory.

[sporadic]

You know, you can take your puke avatar and go sit in the corner.

I really did not have to post anything, just wanted to take the new car for a spin

[Navin R Johnson]

Going from Foster to Tate is like going from Terrell Davis to Olandis Gary. 

[jbm]

Foster?  Tate?  Does it really matter?  If a team can stay close and put the pressure on the Texans, they will likely fold.  Starts with Kubiak and filters throughout. 

[EasTexAstro]

In my fantasy world, Kubiak actually called some of those running plays to set up plays he had in mind for later. The runs to the left side seemed to struggle, but he kept running them until he started trying out those screens to the left with mixed results.

Schaub, to me, is looking worse this year. His success really seems to be because of the receivers making athletic plays. There are way too many underthrown balls, balls behind the receiver in the cross, and slow reads.

[Lurch]

Schaub, to me, is looking worse this year. His success really seems to be because of the receivers making athletic plays. There are way too many underthrown balls, balls behind the receiver in the cross, and slow reads.

This is what I'm seeing too

[BizidyDizidy]

I think he is just not that accurate - a lot of the "bad throws" seem to be decent decisions poorly executed.

[hostros7]

In my fantasy world, Kubiak actually called some of those running plays to set up plays he had in mind for later. The runs to the left side seemed to struggle, but he kept running them until he started trying out those screens to the left with mixed results.

Schaub, to me, is looking worse this year. His success really seems to be because of the receivers making athletic plays. There are way too many underthrown balls, balls behind the receiver in the cross, and slow reads.

Schaub is ok, but Schaub is not good enough to overcome bad coaching, play calling, and a bad defense.  Brees did to the Texans what he did to the Packers and Bears.  I'd be a lot more concerned if a) the Texans were not 2-1 b) they gave up that lead at home and c) did it to a team without one of the best, most balanced passing attacks in the league (graham is a beast).  

Schaub made a great throw on the Casey TD.  He also had some terrible throws (Walter TD, interception, etc.).  He's an average QB and that's what average QBs do. 

[Limey]

I think he is just not that accurate - a lot of the "bad throws" seem to be decent decisions poorly executed.

Watching Rogers in the afternoon game brought this into painful relief.

[Limey]

Schaub is ok, but Schaub is not good enough to overcome bad coaching, play calling, and a bad defense.  Brees did to the Texans what he did to the Packers and Bears.  I'd be a lot more concerned if a) the Texans were not 2-1 b) they gave up that lead at home and c) did it to a team without one of the best, most balanced passing attacks in the league (graham is a beast).  

My fear is that, in four weeks time, the Texans will be 2-5, with all hope momentum lost (PIT, OAK, @BAL, @TEN).

Also, for you Kubiak fans, my front office source tells me that, over their by week, Kubes is taking the team to Vegas.  I...am...serious.

Maybe I'm being reactionary.  After all, my last trip there - for a 50th birthday - only involved one fight in a lift / hotel lobby / cab stand, one facedown with LVPD, one bitchfest with hotel security and one running swearing battle with a hotel parking service.  I'm sure a cadre of young, highly paid and highly oversexed men (also information from my front office source) in a testosterone-fueled environment - in Las Vegas - will be like my great aunt's tea parties.

[MusicMan]

My fear is that, in four weeks time, the Texans will be 2-5, with all hope momentum lost (PIT, OAK, @BAL, @TEN).

I had chalked OAK up as a win, but I now fear their RBs.

[Limey]

I had chalked OAK up as a win, but I now fear their RBs.

Defense is horrible across the board.  They reverted to last season's capitulatory defending, hence they got burned for 40 points.  Cornerbacks were retreating behind the 1st down line, giving the Stains' receivers easy completions.  They also, routinely, ran crossing routes with wide-open catches in the middle of the field.  Kareem Jackson is a standout in this foolishness, but he's far from being alone.  Run defense up the middle was soft as shit, and Brees had all fucking day to make a throw.

Bottom line is: the Texans should fear everyone's offense.

[JimR]

I don't know if 3.9 yards/carry is "pretty fucking good", but it is okay.

it moves the chains.

[Limey]

it moves the chains.

And keeps the clock running.

I said to Miss Limey, when the Texans got the ball back with the lead and about 12 mins on the clock, that a nice 8 minute touchdown drive would be great!  Incomplete short, incomplete long, incomplete trying for 10.  Shitfuck!

I believe that particular 3 'n' out may have been followed by the punt that didn't cross the 50 yard line.

ETA:  Correction - they ran on 2nd and 10.  Confirmation - it was that punt.  Aggravation - the Saints took 5 plays to score a TD.

Houston - 12:21
1st-10, HOU14 12:21 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, HOU14 12:15 B. Tate rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
3rd-9, HOU15 11:31 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the left
4th-9, HOU15 11:20 B. Hartmann punt, no return

New Orleans - 11:20
1st-10, HOU49 11:20 D. Brees passed to D. Sproles to the left for 10 yard gain
1st-10, HOU39 11:04 D. Brees incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, HOU39 11:00 D. Brees passed to D. Sproles to the left for 9 yard gain
3rd-1, HOU30 10:16 M. Ingram rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
1st-10, HOU27 9:30 D. Brees passed to J. Graham to the left for 27 yard touchdown. J. Kasay made PAT

[Jacksonian]

And keeps the clock running.

I said to Miss Limey, when the Texans got the ball back with the lead and about 12 mins on the clock, that a nice 8 minute touchdown drive would be great!  Incomplete short, incomplete longrun for no gain, incomplete trying for 10.  Shitfuck!

I believe That particular 3 'n' out may have beenwas followed by the punt that didn't cross the 50 yard line.

FIFAccuracy

[Rebel Jew]

Defense is horrible across the board.  They reverted to last season's capitulatory defending, hence they got burned for 40 points.  Cornerbacks were retreating behind the 1st down line, giving the Stains' receivers easy completions.  They also, routinely, ran crossing routes with wide-open catches in the middle of the field.  Kareem Jackson is a standout in this foolishness, but he's far from being alone.  Run defense up the middle was soft as shit, and Brees had all fucking day to make a throw.

Bottom line is: the Texans should fear everyone's offense.

Texans D is way way better than last year, Saints got them where they wanted them-- in nickel defense, spread the field situations where kareem jackson can't be protected with a safety. This to me is on Kubiak. Saints goal with every game is to get it into a shootout with Brees throwing all over the place to different receivers and the defense blitzing like crazy against a team trying to keep up. Texans are not built to win this way. The Miami game is more or less the blueprint-- long drives, the run game working harmoniously with play-action game, bend-but-don't break defense making a few plays here and there.

[hostros7]

And keeps the clock running.

I said to Miss Limey, when the Texans got the ball back with the lead and about 12 mins on the clock, that a nice 8 minute touchdown drive would be great!  Incomplete short, incomplete long, incomplete trying for 10.  Shitfuck!

I believe that particular 3 'n' out may have been followed by the punt that didn't cross the 50 yard line.

ETA:  Correction - they ran on 2nd and 10.  Confirmation - it was that punt.  Aggravation - the Saints took 5 plays to score a TD.

Houston - 12:21
1st-10, HOU14 12:21 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, HOU14 12:15 B. Tate rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
3rd-9, HOU15 11:31 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the left
4th-9, HOU15 11:20 B. Hartmann punt, no return

New Orleans - 11:20
1st-10, HOU49 11:20 D. Brees passed to D. Sproles to the left for 10 yard gain
1st-10, HOU39 11:04 D. Brees incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, HOU39 11:00 D. Brees passed to D. Sproles to the left for 9 yard gain
3rd-1, HOU30 10:16 M. Ingram rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
1st-10, HOU27 9:30 D. Brees passed to J. Graham to the left for 27 yard touchdown. J. Kasay made PAT

I thought the Texans played this drive like they were the team behind in the score.  It also seemed to be the perfect example of why the Texans need Foster, both as a runner and a pass catcher.  Then again, I was at the game, and the fourth quarter was kind of all a blur.  It's not cajun BS when Saints fans tell you it gets loud in the Superdome.

[Mr. Happy]

I thought the Texans played this drive like they were the team behind in the score.  It also seemed to be the perfect example of why the Texans need Foster, both as a runner and a pass catcher.  Then again, I was at the game, and the fourth quarter was kind of all a blur.  It's not cajun BS when Saints fans tell you it gets loud in the Superdome.

As a former Saints season ticket holder, I can confirm that it gets real loud in the Dome. That's why some call it the Deaf Dome.

[BizidyDizidy]

As a former Saints season ticket holder, I can confirm that it gets real loud in the Dome. That's why some call it the Deaf Dome.

Why do the others call it that?

[Limey]

I thought the Texans played this drive like they were the team behind in the score.  It also seemed to be the perfect example of why the Texans need Foster, both as a runner and a pass catcher.  Then again, I was at the game, and the fourth quarter was kind of all a blur.  It's not cajun BS when Saints fans tell you it gets loud in the Superdome.

In my house, when that punt failed to cross the halfway line, you could've heard a pin drop*.


* Prior to an uninterrupted stream of freeform expletives.

[hostros7]

In my house, when that punt failed to cross the halfway line, you could've heard a pin drop*.


* Prior to an uninterrupted stream of freeform expletives.

I may or may not have said it out loud but definitely thought to myself "at least Turk is gone and our new punter can kick the hell out of the football."

That one's on me.

[Limey]

I may or may not have said it out loud but definitely thought to myself "at least Turk is gone and our new punter can kick the hell out of the football."

That one's on me.

I (unkindly) commented that Douglas Bader could've kicked that over half way.  Thus, future retribution is on me.

[chuck]

In my house, when that punt failed to cross the halfway line, you could've heard a pin drop*.

I have in fact been wondering how Miss Limey grappled with the loss.

[Limey]

I have in fact been wondering how Miss Limey grappled with the loss.

Therapy starts today. 

[chuck]

Therapy starts today. 

We're in room 209, second floor.

[hostros7]

Slaton waived per McLain's Twitter.  I hope this means the Foster and Ward injuries are improving, but it probably just means the Texans realized Ogbo couldn't possibly be much worse.

[Limey]

Slaton waived per McLain's Twitter.  I hope this means the Foster and Ward injuries are improving, but it probably just means the Texans realized Ogbo couldn't possibly be much worse.

I remember him having 1 carry for minus-something yards on Sunday.  Couldn't run through the Grand Canyon without hitting the sides.

[Lurch]

Red Zone TD!

[austro]

They're going to set a fucking record for penalties.

[Rebel Jew]

difference between foster and tate is night and day, and tate was pretty good.

[chuck]

difference between foster and tate is night and day, and tate was pretty good.

That is precisely what I have been sitting here thinking.

[Lurch]

Great, great cuts

[Lurch]

Who still kicks to Hester?

[Lurch]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chuck]

FUCK.

[Rebel Jew]

please tell me we have a different johnson who plays wide receiver and wears #80

[Bench]

Well, this really sucks.

THEY CUT OFF OUR JOHNSON!

[BizidyDizidy]

Pray it's the hammy.

[Lurch]

Cant be ACL if he's walking right?

Rosencopter.

[chuck]

Hey Casey, how about we just lower the old shoulder and deliver a hit next time, okay? Thanks.

[Rebel Jew]

Cant be ACL if he's walking right?

Rosencopter.

you can still walk if your acl's messed up.

btw, i was at a jiu jitsu tournament yesterday and i saw the most horrific ulnar injury i've ever seen. 16 year-old kid didn't tap from an armbar, and so his opponent switched to a kimura (shoulder/elbow lock) and cranked it hard. kid didn't stop screaming for 5 minutes

[chuck]

So it turns out that Foster can't help Schaub's accuracy.

[chuck]

Mario Williams dropped into coverage on the long pass to Mike Wallace. Outstanding plan, Wade.

[Rebel Jew]

Mario Williams dropped into coverage on the long pass to Mike Wallace. Outstanding plan, Wade.

i don't have a big problem with that as long as it's not the norm. good chance at an INT if the steelers go for the slant to ward.

[Rebel Jew]

dan dierdorf is the fat uncle in your family who nobody can stand during holidays.

[Lurch]

Bunch of dick-steppers.

[chuck]

This is a stupid fucking team. Manning pushes the holder in the back for no reason. Incredible.

[remy]

I'm running out of words to express my frustrations with this team.

[austro]

This is a stupid fucking team. Manning pushes the holder in the back for no reason. Incredible.

Was it the holder? I thought it was the kicker? Either way, there was no chance the guy would ever catch up. Just let him be.

[T. J.]

Why is the roof closed?

[chuck]

Why is the roof closed?

Because it's warmer than 80 degrees.

[Lurch]

Why is the roof closed?

Even God knows whats coming

[Lurch]

Pray it's the hammy.

That's what the Texans are saying it is.  Strained

[Rebel Jew]

Because it's warmer than 80 degrees.

remember the classic, maybe quintessential dom capers game where it was like 100 degrees and they intentionally opened the roof so that the opponent would get baked in their dark uniforms and fatigue after the texans followed a grind-em-out gameplan. only problem was the texans fell behind big early. anybody remember the opponent in that game?

[T. J.]

Because it's warmer than 80 degrees.

Not in Sugar Land. Was about 75 at gametime. If you're not opening it today, you're never opening it.

[chuck]

remember the classic, maybe quintessential dom capers game where it was like 100 degrees and they intentionally opened the roof so that the opponent would get baked in their dark uniforms and fatigue after the texans followed a grind-em-out gameplan. only problem was the texans fell behind big early. anybody remember the opponent in that game?

The Steelers, obviously.

T.J., don't blame me, dude, I don't make up this stupid shit, the team has proven itself more than capable over the years.

[austro]

And so it begins...

[JaneDoe]

"Its all about the second half for the Texans."

I agree with Dierdork on something.

Kubiak is an idiot.

[Rebel Jew]

I agree with Dierdork on something.

did you know that mike tomlin is 39?

[Limey]

Kubiak is an idiot.

At least he hasn't blocked anyone in the back for no reason...yet. 

This is a dumb, dumb football team. 

[JaneDoe]

At least he hasn't blocked anyone in the back for no reason...yet. 

This is a dumb, dumb football team. 

That was the most asinine stupidity I have ever seen on a football field that did not involve a sharpie or a cell phone.

[Rebel Jew]

At least he hasn't blocked anyone in the back for no reason...yet. 

This is a dumb, dumb football team. 

not excusing the penalty, but i can always handle mistakes born out of aggression far more than the usual type of kubiak fucktardery. again, stupid penalty made stupider because of the situation, but to me nowhere near the league of forcing the ball to dreesen twice in a row with the game on the line, coming out throwing against the colts on monday night, etc.

[Lurch]

HELL YES

[Rebel Jew]

at least kubiak knows who the ball should go to. hell yeah!

[austro]

No flag? Inconceivable!

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Foster's hammy must be okay.

[subnuclear]

did you know that mike tomlin is 39?

I did know that. Some of my friends from grad school went to undergrad with him.

[austro]

Man, how bad is MIN? KC is pulling away from them.

[Rebel Jew]

I did know that. Some of my friends from grad school went to undergrad with him.

hey man don't tell me, tell dierdorf

[subnuclear]

hey man don't tell me, tell dierdorf

Oh sorry, wasn't watching that game. Assuming disaster looms.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

In case anyone was wondering, Dierdorf is not a doctor.

[Rebel Jew]

holy crap, what a blitz design by wade

[Lurch]

MARIO!

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

They're roethling Rapistberger.

[austro]

It is now time for a clock-draining drive.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the NFL.

[chuck]

Remember when Dierdorf and Frank Gifford did MNF together? Dierdorf was forever making fun of how stupid Gifford is. Think about that for a minute. Dan Dierdorf is smarter than you are. FYL.

[Rebel Jew]

wtf was that?

[Lurch]

Dick-steppers.

[JaneDoe]

Can someone tackle?  Geez....

[chuck]

Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the NFL.

Da-doing-doing-doing!

[JaneDoe]

Can someone please, please HIT Rothlisberger? HARD....

[JaneDoe]

Intercept the dang ball!!

[Lurch]

This wasn't in the script.

[JaneDoe]

Thank you Barwin!

[Rebel Jew]

Remember when Dierdorf and Frank Gifford did MNF together? Dierdorf was forever making fun of how stupid Gifford is. Think about that for a minute. Dan Dierdorf is smarter than you are. FYL.

dierdorf's one of those guys who's never in his life been in the type of situation that would make him realize he's not smart. as an o-lineman he was always among the 'smartest' guys on the team, and for the last 25 years people have been paying him lots of money to hear him talk. somehow, i can't imagine he gets challenged intellectually too much at home either.

[Lurch]

wow, oh, wow.. special teams

[Rebel Jew]

yes! but fuck all if this is roughing the passer

[Lurch]

dick.  steppers.

[Rebel Jew]

dick.  steppers.

he was blocked into him. look at the replay,he was tripped up by the o-lineman as he dove at roethlisberger, forcing the low hit.

[Limey]

he was blocked into him. look at the replay,he was tripped up by the o-lineman as he dove at roethlisberger, forcing the low hit.

Challengeable?   Because the flag was bullshit (for once). 

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The Cowboys are showing off their own brand of Dick Steppin' Time (DST).

[JaneDoe]

Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the NFL.

Another TD. 

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Detroit is in the process of being on the receiving end of the biggest collapse in Dallas Cowboy history.

[austro]

Detroit is in the process of being on the receiving end of the biggest collapse in Dallas Cowboy history.

I almost feel sorry for anyone who's a fan of the Aggies and the Cowboys. Almost.

[Alkie]

That was fucking incredible.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Cowboys don't even know what down it is.

[austro]

Cowboys don't even know what down it is.

Yeah, but they've got a purty stadium.

[Lurch]

And that puts a nice bow on a 4-0 weekend of football!

[Ebby Calvin]

And that puts a nice bow on a 4-0 weekend of football!

Longhorns win.
Texans win.
Aggies lose.
Cowboys lose.

Yep, that's 4.

[chuck]

So the Horns win, the Texans win, Nebraska loses agains their new conference mates, the Aggies lose against their new conference mates, the Cowboys get embarrassed at home... This is shaping up to be an outSTANding football weekend.

[Lurch]

So the Horns win, the Texans win, Nebraska loses agains their new conference mates, the Aggies lose against their new conference mates, the Cowboys get embarrassed at home... This is shaping up to be an outSTANding football weekend.

Ah, yes!  5-0

48-17... Big 10!  Big 10!  Big 10!

[austro]

Nebraska loses agains their new conference mates

Nebraska didn't just lose, they got shit-stomped. That was nice to see.

[BudGirl]

Yeah, but they've got a purty stadium.

Parts of it are really cool and parts aren't.

[Limey]

So the Horns win, the Texans win, Nebraska loses agains their new conference mates, the Aggies lose against their new conference mates, the Cowboys get embarrassed at home... This is shaping up to be an outSTANding football weekend.

Miss Limey loves this. 

[chuck]

Miss Limey loves this. 

Give Miss Limey a high five for me, will you? And while you're up could you get me a Shiner? Thanks.

[Limey]

Give Miss Limey a high five for me, will you? And while you're up could you get me a Shiner? Thanks.

Done, and done. 

[austro]

Ah, yes!  5-0

48-17... Big 10!  Big 10!  Big 10!

Oh, and Jetah just grounded out to end an inning with somebody in scoring position and then committed an error to set up some more DET scoring.

[Limey]

Texans dominating the Raiders all over the park, but not turning the dominance into points separation.  6-14 in the 2nd qtr as I type.

Strange game.

[chuck]

Mind boggling ineptitude by both teams.

[HudsonHawk]

Texans better wake the fuck up or they're gonna get their collective ass beat in the second half.

[JaneDoe]

Oh deere lowered.  What a waste of that Foster reception.

[austro]

Oh deere lowered.  What a waste of that Foster reception.

Ridiculous. This is smelling more and more like a loss.

[Limey]

Ridiculous. This is smelling more and more like a loss.

Losing Williams really hurt, but he doesn't play offense, kick punts or kick field goals. 

[JaneDoe]

Ridiculous. This is smelling more and more like a loss.

Spray some Lysol. Please.

[Limey]

Appaeremtky, the Texans now only play one quarter.   *

* Except Kevin Walter.  Holy crap!

[JaneDoe]

Oh. My. What. A. Catch.

[austro]

Oh. My. What. A. Catch.

Tremendous catch. Too bad Dreesen didn't take lessons.

[chuck]

Patented Kubiak challenge. Incredible.

[JaneDoe]

Thank you Rackers!

[austro]

Battle of the long FGs.

[Limey]

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. 

[Limey]

Patented Kubiak challenge. Incredible.

Miss Limey thinks that all the Botox has seeped into his brain. 

[JaneDoe]

Can someone tackle the man with the ball?

[Limey]

Can someone tackle the man with the ball?

2nd 1/2 defense - Mario = Loss

[chuck]

Miss Limey thinks that all the Botox has seeped into his brain. 

I doubt he was all that bright to begin with.

[HudsonHawk]

2nd 1/2 defense - Mario = Loss

What happened to Mario?

[JaneDoe]

What happened to Mario?

Pectoral injury.

[Limey]

[Insert uninterrupted stream of expletives here]

This may be the dumbest collection of players I've ever seen in any sport. 

[JaneDoe]

[Insert uninterrupted stream of expletives here]

^3

[MusicMan]

This may be the dumbest collection of players I've ever seen in any sport. 

There's no maybe about it.  Two guys kept running down the sideline with no clue the ball carrier was behind them.

[Limey]

There's no maybe about it.  Two guys kept running down the sideline with no clue the ball carrier was behind them.

Yep.  Blocking for the opposing runner. 

[Limey]

There's no maybe about it.  Two guys kept running down the sideline with no clue the ball carrier was behind them.

Don't football players go to college?

[Limey]

Does anyone remember the 1st quarter when Owen Daniels was rampant and the Raiders couldn't get a 1st down?

[MusicMan]

Somebody get SChaub a fucking stepstool.

[MusicMan]

OUTSTANDING use of timeouts.

[JaneDoe]

Does anyone remember the 1st quarter when Owen Daniels was rampant and the Raiders couldn't get a 1st down?

It was only a dream...

[Limey]

A soccer flop?   Seriously?   That's the plan?

[austro]

What a bunch of clowns. This offense now looks like UT's did yesterday, all the way down to the O-line getting abused.

[Limey]

PBP guys calling out Kubiak.  It's THAT obvious. 

[JaneDoe]

PBP guys calling out Kubiak.  It's THAT obvious. 

Kubiak doesn't know how to adjust his own balls.

[Limey]

Kubiak doesn't know how to adjust his own balls.

You actually think he has balls?

[austro]

Fair catch at the 5? Oh, what the hell, why not?

[Limey]

Fair catch at the 5? Oh, what the hell, why not?

It's different. 

[Savage]

Fair catch at the 5? Oh, what the hell, why not?

He's a fucking moron.  

[JaneDoe]

You actually think he has balls?

Undescended.

[Limey]

Oh lookie here.  Owen Danieks - 2 plays, 1st down.  Fuck Kubiak!

[Limey]

Undescended.

They're where his brains should be. 

[austro]

Is it too late to try tanking for Luck?

[MusicMan]

Horns looked better than this yesterday.  At least they were trying.

[Limey]

So Kubes brings Daniels and Foster back into the offense, and the chains start moving. 

[MusicMan]

Schaub has well and truly sucked today.

[Limey]

Houston should have 3 timeouts.  Kubiak dodged a bullet there. 

[JaneDoe]

Schaub, that was on you.  Place the ball right and that was 6.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

That's on Stone Hands.

[MusicMan]

FG?  Are you fucking kidding me??

[MusicMan]

That's on Stone Hands.

Vickers has no purpose on this team.

[Limey]

Houston should have 3 timeouts.  Kubiak dodged a bullet there. 

Maybe not.  All that bullshit was due to the lack of timeouts. 

[austro]

Sure would be convenient to have those three points that Rackers fucked up.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

This team is brain dead.

[Limey]

This team is brain dead.

Thankfully, so are the Raiders. 

[Savage]

Why is Jacoby Jones returning anything?

[Limey]

Jacobi Jones is not a smart man.  He needs some coverage, though. 

[Limey]

How the fuck does that happen?   

[Lurch]

dick. steppers.

[Lefty]

That's a new one.

[austro]

A fucked-up snap. How perfect.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

How many ways can they fuck up?

Holt shit!?!?!?!!!!!

[austro]

It's unclear which of these two teams is more stupid.

[MusicMan]

These two teams are perfect for each other.

[austro]

That's pretty much the only way it could have ended.

[Lurch]

holy fuck

[MusicMan]

Just fucking perfect.  He could have WALKED in.

[Limey]

Schaub had that.  What a pussy!!!

[austro]

If your receiver is behind the DB, wouldn't you want to throw it up high and behind the DB?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Wow, that was fucked up.

[chuck]

Jacoby needed to come back for that ball. This team is a fucking joke.

[Limey]

Just fucking perfect.  He could have WALKED in.

He and Kubes need to have their bags packed before they get back to the locker room. 

[MusicMan]

With seven seconds left, it's simple: one read, throw to him, or throw it away and try again.

Nobody on this brain-dead team can understand that.

[HudsonHawk]

He and Kubes need to have their bags packed before they get back to the locker room. 

Why?  McNair doesn't give a flying fuck about winning.

[HudsonHawk]

With seven seconds left, it's simple: one read, throw to him, or throw it away and try again.

Nobody on this brain-dead team can understand that.

They would have had about 11 seconds if Schaub hadn't have casually strolled up to the line on the spike.

[hostros7]

As expected, McClain reports Mario done for the year. 

[JaneDoe]

As expected, McClain reports Mario done for the year. 

Crapola.

[hostros7]

Crapola.

Pretty funny how my hopes evolved over the course of that game:

1st half: the defense looks great. This team could win a playoff game!
2nd half: this defense is still pretty porous!  Where the hell are OD and AF? JJ runs pass routes like he's about 15 beers deep. I hope we can win the division.
Post-game reality: this team has deficiencies that can't be hidden against even mediocre teams.  If the Texans make the playoffs, it will be by virtue of stumbling there assbackwards.

I know it's en vogue to hate on Schaub today, but the guy gets all pussy-footed the first sign of any d-lineman even thinking about penetrating his o-line.  The day Schaub feels pressure and steps up in the pocket and makes a throw I'll throw a parade in his honor.

[EasTexAstro]

Pretty funny how my hopes evolved over the course of that game:

1st half: the defense looks great. This team could win a playoff game!
2nd half: this defense is still pretty porous!  Where the hell are OD and AF? JJ runs pass routes like he's about 15 beers deep. I hope we can win the division.
Post-game reality: this team has deficiencies that can't be hidden against even mediocre teams.  If the Texans make the playoffs, it will be by virtue of stumbling there assbackwards.

I know it's en vogue to hate on Schaub today, but the guy gets all pussy-footed the first sign of any d-lineman even thinking about penetrating his o-line.  The day Schaub feels pressure and steps up in the pocket and makes a throw I'll throw a parade in his honor.

I agree with everything you said. That game hurt.

[MusicMan]

Even his opponents are calling out Schaub

[Limey]

Even his opponents are calling out Schaub

Last week, I was called out (by some) for calling him heartless and not a leader on the team.  Anyone want to have that debate again this week?

If he'd tried to run it, and been stuffed 1/2 yard short, I would've praised his effort for trying to win it on his own when the rest of the offense was AWOL.  He didn't.  Instead, he saw the opening, went for it, crapped his pants, backed off and threw the worst pass* I've seen since he threw one right to a Raven from his own 1 yard line in OT last year.

* And that's saying something.

This No team will never win with Schaub at QB.

[hostros7]

Last week, I was called out (by some) for calling him heartless and not a leader on the team.  Anyone want to have that debate again this week?

If he'd tried to run it, and been stuffed 1/2 yard short, I would've praised his effort for trying to win it on his own when the rest of the offense was AWOL.  He didn't.  Instead, he saw the opening, went for it, crapped his pants, backed off and threw the worst pass* I've seen since he threw one right to a Raven from his own 1 yard line in OT last year.

* And that's saying something.

This No team will never win with Schaub at QB.

It's stupid to argue hypotheticals, but the Raider safety would have stopped Schaub well short of the goaline.  The play was to lob the ball with some air under it into the back corner section of the endzone and hope JJ can turn around and make a play.  The result was that Schaub felt the pressure and seized up and tried to throw a dart through a pinhole with a large, African-American man standing in front of the pinhole.

[MusicMan]

The result was that Schaub felt the pressure and seized up and tried to throw a dart through a pinhole with a large, African-American man standing in front of the pinhole.

Apropos of nothing, the phrasing here made me think of "offensive line" on last week's Modern Family, which got the loudest laugh from me in quite some time.

[Limey]

Apropos of nothing, the phrasing here made me think of "offensive line" on last week's Modern Family, which got the loudest laugh from me in quite some time.

+1

[austro]

Last week, I was called out (by some) for calling him heartless and not a leader on the team.  Anyone want to have that debate again this week?

If he'd tried to run it, and been stuffed 1/2 yard short, I would've praised his effort for trying to win it on his own when the rest of the offense was AWOL.  He didn't.  Instead, he saw the opening, went for it, crapped his pants, backed off and threw the worst pass* I've seen since he threw one right to a Raven from his own 1 yard line in OT last year.

* And that's saying something.

This No team will never win with Schaub at QB.

I think Schaub made the correct decision wrt trying to run the ball in. That safety was closing fast, and Schaub isn't exactly Usain Bolt. But the pass he threw was pathetic. If that had been Andre there, he would have thrown it high and let him go get it; why didn't he do the same thing with Jones?

[MusicMan]

I think Schaub made the correct decision wrt trying to run the ball in. That safety was closing fast, and Schaub isn't exactly Usain Bolt. But the pass he threw was pathetic. If that had been Andre there, he would have thrown it high and let him go get it; why didn't he do the same thing with Jones?

Because Schaub realizes that Jones is worse than 90% of high school WR's?

[BizidyDizidy]

Because Schaub realizes that Jones is worse than 90% of high school WR's?

This.

And anyways, blaming the last play is beside the point - they didn't do a damn thing on offense in the whole second half. And completely abandoned the run and play action game way too early. Blaming Mario being out is idiotic too, the defense did plenty to win.

[Limey]

This.

And anyways, blaming the last play is beside the point - they didn't do a damn thing on offense in the whole second half. And completely abandoned the run and play action game way too early. Blaming Mario being out is idiotic too, the defense did plenty to win.

The last play was a busted flush, but was only the last play because of awful clock management during the half and during the final drive.  Look at the team stats, and the Texans dominated in almost every category.  Including, to which the "L" testifies, dick tripping.

The Texans are about one more performance like this away from becoming the Rockets to me.  I.e., I cannot watch them play, because it makes me too angry.  Why spoil my Sunday?

[MusicMan]

The Texans are about one more performance like this away from becoming the Rockets to me.  I.e., I cannot watch them play, because it makes me too angry.  Why spoil my Sunday?

This is why I can't consider myself a Texans "fan"... I can't get fanatical about them.  I know what to expect: mediocrity.  I have no emotional investment in them.

[hostros7]

This.

And anyways, blaming the last play is beside the point - they didn't do a damn thing on offense in the whole second half. And completely abandoned the run and play action game way too early. Blaming Mario being out is idiotic too, the defense did plenty to win.

It was actually kind of sweet when Kubiak finally realized that he could still find ways to have Arian be involved in the offense even if the Raiders had seven guys in the box...with 3 minutes left in the second half.  

Abandon the straight up, vanilla run plays if the defense is selling out at all costs to stop it (and, I think the run was abandoned too soon anyways).  Don't abandon getting your best player involved.  Really Kubiak?  You didn't realize that the Raiders' plan to force you to rely entirely on Marion Jacoby Jones and the David Duke WR All-Stars* wouldn't go well for you?

*excludes owen daniels

[BizidyDizidy]

Also, he didn't seem to grasp (until the very end) the idea that if the Raiders were going to bring pressure every time, maybe they should try a screen or two.

[Limey]

This is why I can't consider myself a Texans "fan"... I can't get fanatical about them.  I know what to expect: mediocrity.  I have no emotional investment in them.

How bad is it?  I agree with commenters on the Chronicle website.  Maybe I shouldn't give them another game, and start my 12 step-away program now.

[HudsonHawk]

Last week, I was called out (by some) for calling him heartless and not a leader on the team.  Anyone want to have that debate again this week?

If he'd tried to run it, and been stuffed 1/2 yard short, I would've praised his effort for trying to win it on his own when the rest of the offense was AWOL.  He didn't.  Instead, he saw the opening, went for it, crapped his pants, backed off and threw the worst pass* I've seen since he threw one right to a Raven from his own 1 yard line in OT last year.

Completely agree.  In a situation like that, I have to ask...WWJED? (what would John Elway do?) 

[HudsonHawk]

I think Schaub made the correct decision wrt trying to run the ball in. That safety was closing fast, and Schaub isn't exactly Usain Bolt.

He doesn't have to outrun the safety, he has to run him over.  Schaub's a big boy...lower your head and run that fucker over.

[MusicMan]

Schaub's a big boy...lower your head and run that fucker over.

6'5", so if you fall down, that's two and a half of the five you need.  Jesucristo, stick the ball out and dive for it!

[Lurch]

6'5", so if you fall down, that's two and a half of the five you need

Do you play poker, by chance?

[EasTexAstro]

The Texans may suck, but they are my Texans.

I don't know what Schaub should have done, but it was easy to see what he shouldn't have done. JJ may not be a AJ, but he is an athletic guy. I can't help but think they had a shot with a quick jump pass, or just let Schaub go for the run. Anything but throw it low into coverage.

The big point is, they had time in the first half to do damage and they quit doing what was working for them. Oakland was begging to be beaten early on. If not for Janikowski kicking from mid-field, they had no offense.

Still, I am going to root for the poor team. OD is son #2's favorite player, and he is the first son to SCHEDULE watching football with me. That is a good thing, and means more than the win or loss, frustrating as it can be.

Now, I have wasted my 5000th post on the Texans. great.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

The Texans may suck, but they are my Texans.

I don't know what Schaub should have done, but it was easy to see what he shouldn't have done. JJ may not be a AJ, but he is an athletic guy. I can't help but think they had a shot with a quick jump pass, or just let Schaub go for the run. Anything but throw it low into coverage.

The big point is, they had time in the first half to do damage and they quit doing what was working for them. Oakland was begging to be beaten early on. If not for Janikowski kicking from mid-field, they had no offense.

Still, I am going to root for the poor team. OD is son #2's favorite player, and he is the first son to SCHEDULE watching football with me. That is a good thing, and means more than the win or loss, frustrating as it can be.

Now, I have wasted my 5000th post on the Texans. great.

Dude... congrats

[JaneDoe]

The Texans may suck, but they are my Texans.

I don't know what Schaub should have done, but it was easy to see what he shouldn't have done. JJ may not be a AJ, but he is an athletic guy. I can't help but think they had a shot with a quick jump pass, or just let Schaub go for the run. Anything but throw it low into coverage.

The big point is, they had time in the first half to do damage and they quit doing what was working for them. Oakland was begging to be beaten early on. If not for Janikowski kicking from mid-field, they had no offense.

Still, I am going to root for the poor team. OD is son #2's favorite player, and he is the first son to SCHEDULE watching football with me. That is a good thing, and means more than the win or loss, frustrating as it can be.

Now, I have wasted my 5000th post on the Texans. great.

Congratulations, Pope ETA!

[HudsonHawk]

The Texans may suck, but they are my Texans.

I don't know what Schaub should have done, but it was easy to see what he shouldn't have done. JJ may not be a AJ, but he is an athletic guy. I can't help but think they had a shot with a quick jump pass, or just let Schaub go for the run. Anything but throw it low into coverage.

The big point is, they had time in the first half to do damage and they quit doing what was working for them. Oakland was begging to be beaten early on. If not for Janikowski kicking from mid-field, they had no offense.

Lots of "ifs" in this game.  But, sometimes football comes down to the very simple...lace it up and go knock someone on his ass.  This was one of those times.  Schaub wouldn't. 

[Ty in Tampa]

The Texans may suck, but they are my Texans.

I don't know what Schaub should have done, but it was easy to see what he shouldn't have done. JJ may not be a AJ, but he is an athletic guy. I can't help but think they had a shot with a quick jump pass, or just let Schaub go for the run. Anything but throw it low into coverage.

The big point is, they had time in the first half to do damage and they quit doing what was working for them. Oakland was begging to be beaten early on. If not for Janikowski kicking from mid-field, they had no offense.

Still, I am going to root for the poor team. OD is son #2's favorite player, and he is the first son to SCHEDULE watching football with me. That is a good thing, and means more than the win or loss, frustrating as it can be.

Now, I have wasted my 5000th post on the Texans. great.

Congrats! Silly hat sizings are on the 6th Tuesday of the month.

[hostros7]

Completely agree.  In a situation like that, I have to ask...WWJED? (what would John Elway do?) WWSRD? (what would Sage Rosenfels do?) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0
FIFTexans

[HudsonHawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0
FIFTexans

If Schaub had half the juevos Rosenfeld has, the Texans would be 4-1 right now.

[EasTexAstro]

Thanks, everyone.

Now, back to normal crap.

I stil can't believe the fake punt. I even called it. It is Oakland, people. They are going to go for trick plays. To have our punt return team block for their runner....


I want to cry sometimes. Not like Alkie does when his tofu delivery takes 7 minutes, but real crying, like when in Armageddon, the mom tells the kid, "That isn't a salesman, it's your Daddy."

[BizidyDizidy]

Thanks, everyone.

Now, back to normal crap.

I stil can't believe the fake punt. I even called it. It is Oakland, people. They are going to go for trick plays. To have our punt return team block for their runner....


I want to cry sometimes. Not like Alkie does when his tofu delivery takes 7 minutes, but real crying, like when in Armageddon, the mom tells the kid, "That isn't a salesman, it's your Daddy."

It actually looked like they had someone assigned to the up man who got blocked in the back to spring the play.

[EasTexAstro]

It actually looked like they had someone assigned to the up man who got blocked in the back to spring the play.

Son saw that. I was weeping.

[BizidyDizidy]

Son saw that. I was weeping.

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Wk-5-Cant-Miss-Play-Emotional-finish/5c43d9d7-fa37-4107-904c-22da4e46908a#?id=df7c78d3-c6c0-4add-b83c-e2c6b2c651b5&channelName=Recent

[EasTexAstro]

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Wk-5-Cant-Miss-Play-Emotional-finish/5c43d9d7-fa37-4107-904c-22da4e46908a#?id=df7c78d3-c6c0-4add-b83c-e2c6b2c651b5&channelName=Recent

Thanks. I needed to relive the pain.

[HudsonHawk]

It actually looked like they had someone assigned to the up man who got blocked in the back to spring the play.

The fake punt couldn't have worked without a ridiculous hold by the Raiders to spring the guy.  That's no excuse, however.

[Bench]

It actually looked like they had someone assigned to the up man who got blocked in the back to spring the play.

It was a very clear block in the back, but not quite as clear as the game ending interception.

[Jacksonian]

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Wk-5-Cant-Miss-Play-Emotional-finish/5c43d9d7-fa37-4107-904c-22da4e46908a#?id=df7c78d3-c6c0-4add-b83c-e2c6b2c651b5&channelName=Recent

That replay proves he would have scored.  53-54 mark shows Schaub had a sizable hole to run up the middle if he'd made the cut.  The DB was coming at him from an angle and would not have been able to meet him head on to try to stop his momentum.  He acted scared of contact.

[BizidyDizidy]

Oh I thought I linked the fake punt - you can click it down below.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

It was a very clear block in the back, but not quite as clear as the game ending interception.

The problem is, if not for these breakdowns, the game never comes down to a last second play.

[austro]

The problem is, if not for these breakdowns, the game never comes down to a last second play.

Or challenging calls that will never in a million years be overturned.

[BizidyDizidy]

Or challenging calls that will never in a million years be overturned.

What good would a timeout have done?

[Noe]

That replay proves he would have scored.  53-54 mark shows Schaub had a sizable hole to run up the middle if he'd made the cut.  The DB was coming at him from an angle and would not have been able to meet him head on to try to stop his momentum.  He acted scared of contact.

Agreed.  Didn't watch the game yesterday, but that replay is sick.  Why would he start to run sideways?  Run straight ahead and they won't hit you until you're right at the goal line.  Too bad.

[Astroholic]

Or challenging calls that will never in a million years be overturned.

And you had a injury timeout to see for yourself.

[Astroholic]

Agreed.  Didn't watch the game yesterday, but that replay is sick.  Why would he start to run sideways?  Run straight ahead and they won't hit you until you're right at the goal line.  Too bad.

or how about running a quick slant or fade and running two plays if necessary instead of one.  get real crazy and slip  foster into the flats.

[Astroholic]

Been holding my thoughts all day.

Is it Kubiak or Matt?

Does Kub allow his qb to audible out of bad plays (8/9 in box run)?
Or is Matt not smart enough to change the play?

I believe that Kub and his ego will get the best of him.  Should have been run out of town 2/3 yrs ago.

[cougar]

What good would a timeout have done?

Could have used that timeout in any number of situations, including:

After the third down run from the Raiders, saving us 30 seconds and still giving us the 2 minute warning as a clock stoppage.

or

Using it after Dreesen's catch, stopping the clock at :16 and giving the Texans as many as 3 shots at the end zone, since you wouldn't have had to waste a down stopping the clock.

If that was meant in jest, sorry.  My sarcasm meter is broken, especially concerning that travesty of an ending.

[BizidyDizidy]

Could have used that timeout in any number of situations, including:

After the third down run from the Raiders, saving us 30 seconds and still giving us the 2 minute warning as a clock stoppage.

or

Using it after Dreesen's catch, stopping the clock at :16 and giving the Texans as many as 3 shots at the end zone, since you wouldn't have had to waste a down stopping the clock.

If that was meant in jest, sorry.  My sarcasm meter is broken, especially concerning that travesty of an ending.

Man, didn't think of those, thanks

[Limey]

If Schaub had half the juevos Rosenfeld has, the Texans would be 4-1 5-0 right now.

I know how much you love this, so I FIFY.

[Limey]

That replay proves he would have scored.  53-54 mark shows Schaub had a sizable hole to run up the middle if he'd made the cut.  The DB was coming at him from an angle and would not have been able to meet him head on to try to stop his momentum.  He acted scared of contact.

He also had about 4 seconds to luzz that ball into row Z, and get another play.  Schaub's decision-making on the fly is about 60% wrong, 100% of the time.

[Limey]

What good would a timeout have done?

They would've been able to call it on the previous trip to the red zone, and perhaps come away with something better than a FG.

And, FTR, Kubiak wasted two timeouts in the half: one on the dumbass challenge and one because they we midfield, mid-3rd quarter and as organised as frog mating season.

[Astroholic]

exactly.  he also wasted at least 2 in steelers game.  those didnt matter, but could have.  disgusted.

[HudsonHawk]

They would've been able to call it on the previous trip to the red zone, and perhaps come away with something better than a FG.

What bugged me most about that drive was the complete waste of time the entire drive.  They were down 8 points.  You have to treat that like you still need two scores, not one.  Kubiak has always been completely incompetent in managing the clock.

[Astroholic]

What bugged me most about that drive was the complete waste of time the entire drive.  They were down 8 points.  You have to treat that like you still need two scores, not one.  Kubiak has always been completely incompetent in managing the clock.

yeah but to run the hurry up offense, your qb has to call plays.  appears to me kubs ego wont allow for that.

[Limey]

yeah but to run the hurry up offense, your qb has to call plays.  appears to me kubs ego wont allow for that.

To me Miss Limey*, Schaub is the kind of QB who can execute a designed play with a great deal of competency.  He does not look like the kind of QB who can call/adjust a play at the line, nor react to the defense and improvise on the fly.  He's too slow checking through his options but, in his defense, the offensive line doesn't always give him a lot of time.  Regardless, he's a poor passer unless he can plant, step-up and throw.

* She being much more savvy about this stuff than I.


Basically, Schaub's an upgraded David Carr.

[Rebel Jew]

To me Miss Limey*, Schaub is the kind of QB who can execute a designed play with a great deal of competency.  He does not look like the kind of QB who can call/adjust a play at the line, nor react to the defense and improvise on the fly.  He's too slow checking through his options but, in his defense, the offensive line doesn't always give him a lot of time.  Regardless, he's a poor passer unless he can plant, step-up and throw.

* She being much more savvy about this stuff than I.


Basically, Schaub's an upgraded David Carr.

Jacoby Jones was thrown to 11 times on Sunday. He caught one pass and got one pass interference call. But Schaub sucks right?

[HudsonHawk]

yeah but to run the hurry up offense, your qb has to call plays.  appears to me kubs ego wont allow for that.

Kubiak has a microphone and Schaub has a speaker in his helmet.  Schaub doesn't have to call anything.  Not that he shouldn't be allowed to, just that the coach calling the plays shouldn't prohibit a hurry-up offense.

[HudsonHawk]

Basically, Schaub's an upgraded David Carr.

Ummm...no.  Schaub is an immobile David Carr.

[HudsonHawk]

Jacoby Jones was thrown to 11 times on Sunday. He caught one pass and got one pass interference call. But Schaub sucks right? Burn him!

If by "thrown to" you mean "a pass was thrown to within 15 yards of him", yes, you are correct.  Schaub wasn't exactly dropping them in the ol' pickle barrel on Sunday.

[Astroholic]

Ummm...no.  Schaub is an immobile David Carr.

Schaub is 10 times the qb that Carr was.

[HudsonHawk]

Schaub is 10 times the qb that Carr was.

In your fantasy league, perhaps. Not in reality.

[Rebel Jew]

If by "thrown to" you mean "a pass was thrown to within 15 yards of him", yes, you are correct.  Schaub wasn't exactly dropping them in the ol' pickle barrel on Sunday.

yes, but why were so many of those passes so off? i didn't see him bouncing passes like that to anybody else

[Astroholic]

Kubiak has a microphone and Schaub has a speaker in his helmet.  Schaub doesn't have to call anything.  Not that he shouldn't be allowed to, just that the coach calling the plays shouldn't prohibit a hurry-up offense.

I know that.  But to hurry, the qb has to audible at the line to couter the d.  Also, the headset does not work for the entire play clock.

[MusicMan]

In your fantasy league, perhaps. Not in reality.

Oh, goody.  Let's have this pointless debate again.

[Astroholic]

In your fantasy league, perhaps. Not in reality.

Okay.  Whatever you say.  Carr was so shell shocked that he could not hit open receivers or progress past his first read.

[Astroholic]

Oh, goody.  Let's have this pointless debate again.

Nah.  I'm done.

[HudsonHawk]

yes, but why were so many of those passes so off? i didn't see him bouncing passes like that to anybody else

Because most of the other ones were knocked down at the line. 

Seriously though, I don't know if Jones was running bad routes, but not many balls got to him.

[HudsonHawk]

Okay.  Whatever you say.  Carr was so shell shocked that he could not hit open receivers or progress past his first read.

But he'd have scored a touchdown on that last play and won the game.

[HudsonHawk]

Oh, goody.  Let's have this pointless debate again.

When have we ever had a debate that wasn't pointless?  We're not making government policy here, we're Monday morning QBing a football game.

[HudsonHawk]

I know that.  But to hurry, the qb has to audible at the line to couter the d.

Why is that any different than when they're not in the hurry up?

 Also, the headset does not work for the entire play clock.

So?  Again, how is that different than any other play call?  They don't suddenly cut off the microphone just because the team's not in a huddle.

[chuck]

Seriously though, I don't know if Jones was running bad routes, but not many balls got to him.

Jones runs terrible routes and Schaub is bizarrely inaccurate with his short passes. You pair those two guys and it's like the Three Stooges.

[Limey]

Schaub is 10 times the qb that Carr was.

He is clearly better (not sure bout 10x though).

The problem is that good QBs have brains or balls, elite QBs have both, Schaub has neither.

[MusicMan]

He is clearly b(not sure bout 10x though).

The problem is that good QBs have brains or balls, elite QBs have both, Schaub has neither.

Carr had balls.  I'll give him that.

[HudsonHawk]

He is clearly b(not sure bout 10x though).

The problem is that good QBs have brains or balls, elite QBs have both, Schaub has neither.

You are correct.  Not having the latter is a shame because Schaub is plenty big enough. 

Schaub is not an elite QB.  He's fine for this system, but you can't ask him to carry the team or do more than be a cog in the wheel.  He's simply not that elite talent. 

[MusicMan]

You are correct.  Not having the latter is a shame because Schaub is plenty big enough. 

Schaub is not an elite QB.  He's fine for this system, but you can't ask him to carry the team or do more than be a cog in the wheel.  He's simply not that elite talent. 

The only elite talents on this team are injured.

[Bench]

The only elite talent s   on this team are is injured.

FIFHH

[Astroholic]

The only elite talents on this team are injured.

Correct.  except for foster, whom I would bet is not 100%.  So this team is asking its slightly above average qb to be John Elway.  Not gonna happen.  

[Jacksonian]

Why is there so much hand-wringing over this team?  It's not as if they're ever going to be better.

[MusicMan]

Why is there so much hand-wringing over this team?  It's not as if they're ever going to be better.

Because this statement could just as easily be made in the TZ.

[Astroholic]

Why is there so much hand-wringing over this team?  It's not as if they're ever going to be better.

Because we are fans.

[HudsonHawk]

Why is there so much hand-wringing over this team?  It's not as if they're ever going to be better.

Because they could be.  They could be a 14-win team, if not for the head coach.

[Astroholic]

Because they could be.  They could be a 14-win team, if not for the head coach.

I agree with this statement.  He will win just enough this yr to keep his job.

[HudsonHawk]

Correct.  except for foster, whom I would bet is not 100%.  So this team is asking its slightly above average qb to be John Elway.  Not gonna happen.  

I'm not asking him to be John Elway.  I'm just asking him to not step on his dick.

[HudsonHawk]

I agree with this statement.  He will win just enough this yr to keep his job.

The fact that he has it now is a plain-as-day indication that winning is irrelevant.

[Astroholic]

I'm not asking him to be John Elway.  I'm just asking him to not step on his dick.

you should be asking kubs this, not Schaub.  He was trying to make a play.  he also got us in position to win the game.  what play was called?  Who called it?

Texans had at least 6 different opportunities to put Oakland away.  That is what is so frustrating to me.  Not the last play of the game.

[Astroholic]

And Jacoby sucks.  3yr 10 mil.  Comonman!

[HudsonHawk]

you should be asking kubs this, not Schaub.  He was trying to make a play.  he also got us in position to win the game.  what play was called?  Who called it?

Texans had at least 6 different opportunities to put Oakland away.  That is what is so frustrating to me.  Not the last play of the game.

They had a chance to put them away on the last play and Schaub stepped on his dick. Plain and simple.  There is no other othe way to describe it.  We can talk about plays in the 2nd quarter, the punting game, the halftime show, etc etc.  But the bottom line is, the win was there for the taking.  Schaub just had to take it.  He didn't.

[hostros7]

Because they could be.  They could be a 14-win team, if not for the head coach.

I am fully confident that any person on this board with common sense and good decision making abilities could literally add 1-2 wins a season for the Texans if brought in as a sideline consultant.  This consultant does not need any detailed knowledge of football other than a simple grasp of the rules and general understanding of clock management.  Kubiak would be relieved of his challenge and timeout responsibilities and would only focus on offensive play calling.  

That is depressing.  

[MusicMan]

I am fully confident that any person on this board with common sense and good decision making abilities could literally add 1-2 wins a season for the Texans if brought in as a sideline consultant.  This consultant does not need any detailed knowledge of football other than a simple grasp of the rules and general understanding of clock management.  Kubiak would be relieved of his challenge and timeout responsibilities and would only focus on offensive play calling. 

That is depressing. 

Simmons' suggestion of coaching closers a couple of years ago was one I really loved.  His example was Andy Reid, but Kubiak serves just as well.

Just picture:
The team gets the ball back with under three minutes to go.  During the TV timeout, Enter Sandman/Hells Bells/whatever theme music hits.  Reid/Kubes looks to the tunnel and nods grimly.  And out from the tunnel comes running a guy with a fucking clue how to manage the end of the game.  The crowd goes wild.

Face it, you'd love to see this, wouldn't you?

[Limey]

Simmons' suggestion of coaching closers a couple of years ago was one I really loved.  His example was Andy Reid, but Kubiak serves just as well.

Just picture:
The team gets the ball back with under three minutes to go.  During the TV timeout, Enter Sandman/Hells Bells/whatever theme music hits.  Reid/Kubes looks to the tunnel and nods grimly.  And out from the tunnel comes running a guy with a fucking clue how to manage the end of the game.  The crowd goes wild.

Face it, you'd love to see this, wouldn't you?

Assuming that it's not Jimmy Johnson...

[Astroholic]

Assuming that it's not Jimmy Johnson...

Hey Jaws hold my beer...i got this.

[Ebby Calvin]

Jones runs terrible routes and Schaub is bizarrely inaccurate with his short passes. You pair those two guys and it's like the Three Stooges.

Synergy!

[Limey]

Synergy!

So, if I understand what you're saying, if Schaub makes an infinite number of bad throws and Jones runs an infinite number of bad routes, eventually they'll engineer "The Drive" on the tip of a giant's fingernail?

[Jacksonian]

Because they could be.  They could be a 14-win team, if not for the head coach.

When the owner cares, and not before.

[Andyzipp]

I'm not asking him to be John Elway.  I'm just asking him to not step on his dick.

I'm confused.  I thought they were all tripping over Kubiak's dick.  Kubiak sure does have a big dick.  That dick seems to be all over the place.

[Ty in Tampa]

I'm confused.  I thought they were all tripping over Kubiak's dick.  Kubiak sure does have a big dick.  That dick seems to be all over the place.

Plenty of dick to go around.

[Limey]

Plenty of dick to go around.

And no wrinkles.

[HudsonHawk]

I'm confused.  I thought they were all tripping over Kubiak's dick.  Kubiak sure does have a big dick.  That dick seems to be all over the place.

Let's just say that Kubiak's buffoonery cuts a wide path.

[chandler44]

Apparently they traded a conditional draft pick to the Ravens for Derrick Mason. 

[hostros7]

Apparently they traded a conditional draft pick to the Ravens for Derrick Mason.  

Jets, but still doesnt make any effing sense

Eta: it's only a 7th rounder so whatever.

[MusicMan]

Jets, but still doesnt make any effing sense

Eta: it's only a 7th rounder so whatever.

How can it not make sense when Jacoby Jones is a starting WR for this team?

[hostros7]

How can it not make sense when Jacoby Jones is a starting WR for this team?

1) he's primarily a slot receiver.  The Texans have Kevin Walter.
2) he is 37 years old.
3) he was more or less going to be cut from a team that has shittier WRs than the Texans.

My opinion is that similar production was probably available on practice squads, and I didn't see the need to give up anything for Mason.  It's a seventh rounder though, so who cares?  As you point out, he's probably an upgrade from Jacoby. 

[Rebel Jew]

1) he's primarily a slot receiver.  The Texans have Kevin Walter.
2) he is 37 years old.
3) he was more or less going to be cut from a team that has shittier WRs than the Texans.

My opinion is that similar production was probably available on practice squads, and I didn't see the need to give up anything for Mason.  It's a seventh rounder though, so who cares?  As you point out, he's probably an upgrade from Jacoby.  

Texans #1 wide receiver last weekend caught 1 pass out of the 11 that were thrown to him. Texans need a WR who can block, run good routes, and actually catch the passes that are thrown to him-- show me a practice squad guy who can jump right in and do that for a playoff team and you should be GM. This is such a good trade I'm actually kind-of shocked it was the Texans who pulled it off.

Telling stat:
Mason this year, as the #3 receiver on a conservative offense with a mediocre QB:  13 catches for 115 yards (through only four games)
Texans receivers in a potent offense that throws all over the field:
Jacoby 8/100, Walter 9/130

[chandler44]

Yeah, I had a brain fart on the team.  D'oh!

I like the move.  Low risk, could have a decent reward.  He is better than some of what we got, and if he's not, we move on to the next option.

[Limey]

Texans #1 wide receiver last weekend caught 1 pass out of the 11 that were thrown to him. Texans need a WR who can block, run good routes, and actually catch the passes that are thrown to him-- show me a practice squad guy who can jump right in and do that for a playoff team and you should be GM.

Is Robert Boucher Jr. available?

[OregonStrosFan]

My apologies if Cabrera'd, but here ya go nevertheless... Video: Raiders had 10 men on the field for game-clinching play

[austro]

My apologies if Cabrera'd, but here ya go nevertheless... Video: Raiders had 10 men on the field for game-clinching play

Great. They're even more incompetent than we thought.

[sporadic]

Great. They're even more incompetent than we thought.

That was DAMN good defense for only having 10 guys on the field.  Also, I do not think Schaub had a snowballs chance in hell of running that in...

Edited:  Looks like 83 had his guy posted up...that is where Schaub should have gone with the ball.  Guess it is easy to say that now.

[Limey]

That was DAMN good defense for only having 10 guys on the field.  Also, I do not think Schaub had a snowballs chance in hell of running that in...

Edited:  Looks like 83 had his guy posted up...that is where Schaub should have gone with the ball.  Guess it is easy to say that now.

The hole in the defense was the one that Schaub eschewed.  Had he hit the hole at speed and angled away from the safety, I would've been gobsmacked had he not been able to get the ball across the plane.  Regardless, coming up short would've been better than what he did, which was a complete cop out.

Now that the initial burn of the loss is subsiding, what's left if a serious, lingering and, in my case, inflamed doubt over Schaub's ability to get going when the going gets tough.

[sporadic]

The hole in the defense was the one that Schaub eschewed.  Had he hit the hole at speed and angled away from the safety, I would've been gobsmacked had he not been able to get the ball across the plane.  Regardless, coming up short would've been better than what he did, which was a complete cop out.

Now that the initial burn of the loss is subsiding, what's left if a serious, lingering and, in my case, inflamed doubt over Schaub's ability to get going when the going gets tough.

Dude, Schaub was at the 9 when he pumped (and the saftey did not bite) while the saftey was about two yards deep in the end zone, headed down-hill.  NO WAY Schaub wins that battle.

[Limey]

Dude, Schaub was at the 9 when he pumped (and the saftey did not bite) while the saftey was about two yards deep in the end zone, headed down-hill.  NO WAY Schaub wins that battle.

That, we will never know.

What we do know is that he had a number of choices, including:

 - taking on the run;
 - whizzing the ball into touch and getting another play; and
 - back-tracking further to give a receiver time to get open.

What he did was panic, and throw a dreadful pass straight to a DB.  Not for the first time with the game on the line.  I'd rather he fail on the run attempt than try to throw that weak-ass shit past Jeff Keppinger the DB.

[sporadic]

That, we will never know.

What we do know is that he had a number of choices, including:

 - taking on the run;
 - whizzing the ball into touch and getting another play; and
 - back-tracking further to give a receiver time to get open.

What he did was panic, and throw a dreadful pass straight to a DB.  Not for the first time with the game on the line.  I'd rather he fail on the run attempt than try to throw that weak-ass shit past Jeff Keppinger the DB.

I agree and understand your frustration. option 2 ideal, 3 OK and 1 being being absolutely defendable

[WakePhil]

That was DAMN good defense for only having 10 guys on the field.  Also, I do not think Schaub had a snowballs chance in hell of running that in...

Edited:  Looks like 83 had his guy posted up...that is where Schaub should have gone with the ball.  Guess it is easy to say that now.

Yeah if you go here there's a pretty good breakdown of the play and where mistakes were made. There's a field of vision screen shot of Schaub as he pump fakes and you can see Walter posted up. You can also see Dressen come open in the back middle of the endzone, but Schaub had turned his shoulder away at that point.

What I didn't notice watching it live was how Jacoby broke towards the middle of the field which prompted Schaub's throw. Unfortunately he broke back outside as soon as the ball left Schaub's hand. Lots and lots of dick stepping by many parties.

[Limey]

Yeah if you go here there's a pretty good breakdown of the play and where mistakes were made. There's a field of vision screen shot of Schaub as he pump fakes and you can see Walter posted up. You can also see Dressen come open in the back middle of the endzone, but Schaub had turned his shoulder away at that point.

What I didn't notice watching it live was how Jacoby broke towards the middle of the field which prompted Schaub's throw. Unfortunately he broke back outside as soon as the ball left Schaub's hand. Lots and lots of dick stepping by many parties.

That's actually pretty badass, with a bonus swipe at the TX DPS.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Yeah if you go here there's a pretty good breakdown of the play and where mistakes were made. There's a field of vision screen shot of Schaub as he pump fakes and you can see Walter posted up. You can also see Dressen come open in the back middle of the endzone, but Schaub had turned his shoulder away at that point.

What I didn't notice watching it live was how Jacoby broke towards the middle of the field which prompted Schaub's throw. Unfortunately he broke back outside as soon as the ball left Schaub's hand. Lots and lots of dick stepping by many parties.

Sitting in the end-zone during the play.  Saw JJ's dumb-shit ad-lib'ing.  Also saw Schaub ignore Walters on a number of plays, along with Anderson (not relevant to final play).  For all the impressive stats this offense puts up, it does not look very polished.  I attribute much of that to AJ being out.  It says little about the team's depth at WR. 

[HudsonHawk]

Dude, Schaub was at the 9 when he pumped (and the saftey did not bite) while the saftey was about two yards deep in the end zone, headed down-hill.  NO WAY Schaub wins that battle.

Then he's a way bigger pussy than I thought.

[Rebel Jew]

Anybody else see how the Texans signed Trindon Holliday today? Not to the practice squad, but to the big team. So, yesterday the Texans trade for a veteran #2/3 receiver, and today they sign a guy who can return kicks and nothing else. Not hard to see who Kubiak blames for the loss on Sunday.

[Outlawscotty]

Then he's a way bigger pussy than I thought.

Seems to me that with a head of steam, he should plow the safety very easily.  He has no _______ to play.

[HudsonHawk]

Seems to me that with a head of steam, he should plow the safety very easily.  He has no _______ to play.

Exactly. Schaub is 6'5" 250 lbs...he shouldn't try and make that guy miss, he should square up, lower his head, scream if he has to, and charge the line like he's fucking William Wallace with his ass on fire. It's football dammit.