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Dierker on JD Martinez
« on: August 30, 2011, 11:41:34 pm »
Good read.  LINK
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 08:11:25 am »
Is he really suggesting moving Martinez to 3B? Other than being a terrible idea, it's not a terrible idea.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 09:00:02 am »
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 31, 2011, 08:11:25 am
Is he really suggesting moving Martinez to 3B? Other than being a terrible idea, it's not a terrible idea.

I'm pretty skeptical of this.  This team (in the near future) is not going to slug its way to wins considering Martinez is the best power hitter on the team and projects at a 25 HR guy.  I don't want to make any sacrifices on defense.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 09:30:24 am »
I don't have a problem with Martinez' LF defense from what I have seen. I think he has to be somewhere around the league average for the position. Anybody seeing anything differently?
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 09:36:47 am »
Quote from: roadrunner on August 31, 2011, 09:00:02 am
I'm pretty skeptical of this.  This team (in the near future) is not going to slug its way to wins considering Martinez is the best power hitter on the team and projects at a 25 HR guy.  I don't want to make any sacrifices on defense.

Having read Dierker's book, I never got the impression he placed much value on defense.  So to interpret his thought as one 3B is as good as another doesn't seem that far fetched.  That said, I doubt Smith/Wade subscribe to the same philosophy. 
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 10:07:20 am »
Quote from: juliogotay on August 31, 2011, 09:30:24 am
I don't have a problem with Martinez' LF defense from what I have seen. I think he has to be somewhere around the league average for the position. Anybody seeing anything differently?
Not me, although I understand Dierker's logic of putting the faster player in the outfield and the slower player in the infield.  The downside to me is the uncertainties it would create by giving both players more on their plate as they adjust to the majors. 
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 10:48:31 am »
Martinez can't play 1b without his knee tendinitis flaring up.  I can only imagine how much time he'd miss playing 3b regularly.

Dierker's logic would have had Schmidt playing in the outfield and Luzinski at 3b.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 10:50:56 am »
I thought JD was going to be the DH when the Astros went to the AL?
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2011, 11:11:52 am »
Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2011, 10:48:31 am
Martinez can't play 1b without his knee tendinitis flaring up.  I can only imagine how much time he'd miss playing 3b regularly.
Luckily I haven't had significant knee problems myself, but I would think that running around in the OF would place more or as much strain on bad knees as the pivoting, etc. required in the infield, no? Wasn't that part of the reason Berkman moved to 1B after Bagwell retired?

Not that I am advocating moving Martinez to 3B, a position he has never played...
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 11:21:54 am »
Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2011, 10:48:31 am
Martinez can't play 1b without his knee tendinitis flaring up.  I can only imagine how much time he'd miss playing 3b regularly.

Dierker's logic would have had Schmidt playing in the outfield and Luzinski at 3b.

You may well be right about the knee issue, but was the difference in speed between Schmidt and Luzinski the same as Paredes and Martinez?  Also, moving Schmidt would be viewed as suspect because he could handle the position, IIRC.  Don't think Paredes has demonstrated that level of skill

ps.  I'm not advocating the move at all, I just see the logic. 
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2011, 11:38:35 am »
I'm probably totally misreading things but I thought Dierk was advocating moving JD to first and Paredes to the OF rather than just switching them position for position.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2011, 11:47:31 am »
wow switching from position to position..
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2011, 11:58:15 am »
Quote from: Fredia on August 31, 2011, 11:47:31 am
wow switching from position to position..

I just can't...
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 12:02:56 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on August 31, 2011, 11:11:52 am
Luckily I haven't had significant knee problems myself, but I would think that running around in the OF would place more or as much strain on bad knees as the pivoting, etc. required in the infield, no? Wasn't that part of the reason Berkman moved to 1B after Bagwell retired?

Not that I am advocating moving Martinez to 3B, a position he has never played...

It's pretty well documented, especially in his college days IIRC, that for whatever reason his knees were more troublesome when he played 1b rather than OF.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2011, 12:06:37 pm »
Quote from: jbm on August 31, 2011, 11:21:54 am
You may well be right about the knee issue, but was the difference in speed between Schmidt and Luzinski the same as Paredes and Martinez?  Also, moving Schmidt would be viewed as suspect because he could handle the position, IIRC.  Don't think Paredes has demonstrated that level of skill

ps.  I'm not advocating the move at all, I just see the logic. 

When Schmidt was a shiny new major leaguer he ran very well.  He stole 52 bases in his first 2 full years in the bigs.  The guy was a great athlete.  So, IMO, yes.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2011, 12:34:43 pm »
Quote from: EasTexAstro on August 31, 2011, 11:58:15 am
I just can't...

Good call. It would be wrong.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2011, 12:45:45 pm »
Paredes to the OF is a different story.  I would be on board for him in either corner spot.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2011, 12:48:25 pm »
Quote from: EasTexAstro on August 31, 2011, 10:50:56 am
I thought JD was going to be the DH when the Astros went to the AL?


Well played
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2011, 01:09:42 pm »
Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2011, 11:38:35 am
I'm probably totally misreading things but I thought Dierk was advocating moving JD to first and Paredes to the OF rather than just switching them position for position.

That's the way that I read it too.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2011, 02:24:28 pm »
Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2011, 11:38:35 am
I'm probably totally misreading things but I thought Dierk was advocating moving JD to first and Paredes to the OF rather than just switching them position for position.
"Is there a new knee brace? Is there a way of taping his knee? Is there any way he can play third base? Coming out of Spring Training, Chris Johnson was the Astros' third baseman ... Because Martinez has much better Minor League numbers, including more walks and fewer strikeouts, my guess is that he'll be more consistent than Johnson."
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2011, 02:59:21 pm »
It was the degree of the crouch required at 1b before every play that was hard on JD's knees when he tried 1b in the low minors.  You have to be down and ready in the OF but not to the degree you do on the IF.
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2011, 01:08:57 pm »
Maybe I am remembering this incorrectly, but didn't Dierker have the same opinion onf Luke Scott?
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Re: Dierker on JD Martinez
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2011, 04:53:30 pm »
Well goddamit,  can he throw left-handed or not?
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