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2012 draft
« on: July 21, 2011, 12:21:47 pm »
Since it seems inevitable the Astros are destined for the #1 pick next year I thought I'd start a thread to discuss who might be the guy.

Right now it appears, through this much of the summer leagues, that the top position player is Victor Roache.  He'll be a junior at Georgia Southern.  Outfielder though I don't believe he's in Springer's class defensively.  Tearing up Cape Cod right now.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 01:10:39 pm »
I've read a lot of good things about OF Nick Williams, any thoughts?

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 01:21:36 pm »
Google tells me it's Lance McCullers, an HS pitcher out of Tampa.

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 05:17:10 pm »
Google tells me it's Lance McCullers, an HS pitcher out of Tampa.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 09:18:57 pm »
Apparently McCullers hit 100 in the first inning at the east coast showcase this week.


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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 01:04:54 pm »
Since it seems inevitable the Astros are destined for the #1 pick next year I thought I'd start a thread to discuss who might be the guy.

Right now it appears, through this much of the summer leagues, that the top position player is Victor Roache.  He'll be a junior at Georgia Southern.  Outfielder though I don't believe he's in Springer's class defensively.  Tearing up Cape Cod right now.

History says to draft a position player with power.  Roache seems to fit that bill.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2011, 02:08:35 pm »
I had to find out who Roache is.  Googled, and the first link summary stated

"Admires Manny Ramirez for being "the hardest working hitter in the game"... "

Not really the best first description.

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 02:12:30 pm »
I had to find out who Roache is.  Googled, and the first link summary stated

"Admires Manny Ramirez for being "the hardest working hitter in the game"... "

Not really the best first description.

Yikes.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 02:45:57 pm »
I had to find out who Roache is.  Googled, and the first link summary stated

"Admires Manny Ramirez for being "the hardest working hitter in the game"... "

Not really the best first description.

Wow.  How about that HS kid down in Galveston?  Billy something.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 02:51:07 pm »
I had to find out who Roache is.  Googled, and the first link summary stated

"Admires Manny Ramirez for being "the hardest working hitter in the game"... "

Not really the best first description.

I think that's fairly accurate.  Manny justifiably earned a reputation for being a selfish goofball, but he pretty much spent every day working on his swing and watching film of opposing pitchers.  The man was a tireless hitting machine. 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2008-04-28-cover-ramirez_N.htm

"Sometimes people don't give him enough credit. He thinks with the pitcher. He's got a plan."

That plan gets formulated in the endless hours Ramirez spends honing his craft.

Manager Terry Francona says he arrives at Fenway Park about 10:30 a.m. for a 7 p.m. game and by that time Ramirez is usually returning home after a workout. Later at the ballpark, Ramirez will hit off a tee and in the cages, take batting practice and watch video.

"There's a lot that comes with Manny that's so good, that if somebody wants to come and pick out the quirks, I'm going to defend him, because I know what he does to prepare," Francona says. "Every once in a while a ball goes up in the air and he doesn't give you the effort. Sometimes there's a lapse, but there aren't too many lapses in that batter's box."
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 08:40:13 am »
Yikes.
Actually when you are talking just about hitting that description is 100% accurate.

Now when it comes to running the bases, fielding, or just about anything else in the game.  Manny was as clueless as they come.  And would certainly appear to prefer not to have to deal with playing in the field at all.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 08:50:46 am »
Now when it comes to running the bases, fielding, or just about anything else in the game.  Manny was as clueless as they come.  And would certainly appear to prefer not to have to deal with playing in the field at all.

Yet the knucklehead absolutely refused to be a DH.  With Manny, things don't have to make sense.   
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 12:35:47 pm »
Wow.  How about that HS kid down in Galveston?  Billy something.

Galveston Ball, Billy "Nick" Williams. Recently verbally committed to play baseball at UT. (Not that it means he will ever play there, of course.)

A little video here, although it has a long, pain in the ass intro....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/722354-2012-mlb-mock-draft-early-predictions-for-next-years-top-10-picks/page/6#/articles/722354-2012-mlb-mock-draft-early-predictions-for-next-years-top-10-picks/page/6
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 03:20:59 pm »
If the kid gets picked #1 overall, it won't matter if he committed to a seminary.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2011, 09:04:27 pm »
Callis was asked about the draft in his chat yesterday (specifically, about McCullers) and had this to say:

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Lance McCullers Jr. is still one of the best high school prospects for the 2012 draft, but he's behind the Appel/Marrero/Buxton/Giolito group.

I knew who Appel and Marrero were, but I didn't know of the others.  Giolito and Buxton are both HS players, Giolito a RHP and Buxton an OF/RHP.  Giolito brings heat from a 6'6" frame, hitting up to 98.  Buxton is a 5-tool athlete from a small school in Georgia, where he also plays QB.  He can hit 94MPH on the gun, but sounds more like an OF from the small amount of scouting data I was able to find.  I've seen the same report a couple of places:

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Byron is an outstanding athlete who is QB on his high school football team and CF and RHP for the baseball team. Being from a small town in GA, he is not well known, but the consensus among those who have seen him is that he has the best set of tools in the state of Georgia. Byron is committed to the University of Georgia.


I've seen him listed at 6'1" and 6'2" and 170-175.  I haven't seen anything specific about his toolset, though it's probably safe to assume his skillset leans more toward speed than light-tower homeruns.  Sounds like Bobby's kind of guy.

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 12:49:36 pm »
It looks like Rusty Pendergrass won't be signing any players for the Astros this year.  RJ (be warned) writes about it here
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/09/astros-fire-a-competent-employee-and-a-good-man-and-so-it-goes/

As usual, its rather biased a shoddy reporting.  He focuses on a few players Pendergrass signed, but gives the reason from the Astros as having missed on too many players - effectively trying to make the Astros look like morons.  I don't know Pendergrass or his work and hey, the Astros may be complete morons for letting him go, but it would have been good to know who else Pendergrass signed that could have been "misses" to complete the story.

What do you guys think about Pendergrass?
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 12:57:07 pm »
It looks like Rusty Pendergrass won't be signing any players for the Astros this year.  RJ (be warned) writes about it here
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/09/astros-fire-a-competent-employee-and-a-good-man-and-so-it-goes/

As usual, its rather biased a shoddy reporting.  He focuses on a few players Pendergrass signed, but gives the reason from the Astros as having missed on too many players - effectively trying to make the Astros look like morons.  I don't know Pendergrass or his work and hey, the Astros may be complete morons for letting him go, but it would have been good to know who else Pendergrass signed that could have been "misses" to complete the story.

What do you guys think about Pendergrass?

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2011, 01:16:05 pm »
It looks like Rusty Pendergrass won't be signing any players for the Astros this year.  RJ (be warned) writes about it here
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/09/astros-fire-a-competent-employee-and-a-good-man-and-so-it-goes/

As usual, its rather biased a shoddy reporting.  He focuses on a few players Pendergrass signed, but gives the reason from the Astros as having missed on too many players - effectively trying to make the Astros look like morons.  I don't know Pendergrass or his work and hey, the Astros may be complete morons for letting him go, but it would have been good to know who else Pendergrass signed that could have been "misses" to complete the story.

What do you guys think about Pendergrass?
I would think it is impossible for someone outside the inner workings to evaluate a scout.  Scouts are paid to have opinions on everyone, and culling out their opinions on the few players their superiors selected and signed seems like a pointless and unfair way to analyze them.

The Astros also let go of the scout over the Georgia region.  Recent Georgia signees were Austin, Nash and DeShields.  Probably others also.  Likewise, it is unfair to judge this guy on that data.

There could easily be many reasons for letting go of an individual scout which would never be made public.  Just like any other employee.

ps.  I wonder if it is more troubling for a scout's career to go to bat hard for a guy who badly disappoints, or play down a guy who turns out to be a star.

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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2011, 06:15:30 pm »
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ps.  I wonder if it is more troubling for a scout's career to go to bat hard for a guy who badly disappoints, or play down a guy who turns out to be a star.
Good point. Would Pendergrass have been in charge of scouting Cosart back in '08? Like you said, it's impossible for us to evaluate these guys without some real inside info.

One thing I'll say, though: It doesn't speak too well about their current opinion of Deshields that they let the Georgia guy go. Obviously Austin hasn't worked out, but he was a 3rd round pick, and when they signed Deshields they seemed to be extremely high on him. I wonder if Wade had a moment like unto Hunsicker when he finally saw Chris Burke play SS.
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Re: 2012 draft
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2011, 06:20:27 pm »
I wonder if Wade had a moment like unto Hunsicker when he finally saw Chris Burke play SS.

Would such a moment not reflect as poorly on Heck as on Martin? With the call ultimately being down to him, and with more consensus-type guys still on the board, I'd have to think Heck was on the Delino train as much as anyone.