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Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« on: June 21, 2011, 07:46:38 pm »
Top 3rd, Astros ahead 2-1, 1 out, Kepp up with a 2-1 count, Bourne just stole 3rd.

Kepp hit a nice pop to shallow left, sending Bourne home... good guys up 3-1.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 08:03:09 pm »
Another quiet night in the GZ...
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2011, 08:04:17 pm »
Quote from: Ron Brand on June 21, 2011, 08:03:09 pm
Another quiet night in the GZ...

Seems to be the standard these days.  Oh, and man, Jordan Lyles is fun to watch pitch, he has a great rhythm while on the mound.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 08:06:57 pm »
Just getting settled in... Missed the Astros run T1 and stR run in B2(?). What happened?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 08:07:26 pm »
The Rangers still suck, I don't care what their record is.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 08:07:59 pm »
Quote from: rifraft on June 21, 2011, 08:04:17 pm
Seems to be the standard these days.

I coulda cared less to see last nights game. Tonight's game, however, I was looking forward to!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 08:08:48 pm »
Nevermind re: the stR run, JD just filled me in...
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 08:09:18 pm »
That Corporan is an assflapper.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2011, 08:09:19 pm »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 21, 2011, 08:06:57 pm
Just getting settled in... Missed the Astros run T1 and stR run in B2(?). What happened?

Bourn double, Kepp single. Very similar to the team's second run. Texas scored on an opposite field HR from Young, very similar to their second run.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2011, 08:10:32 pm »
Sweet goodness, I'd forgotten how much I had grown to hate the music from 'The Natural.' 
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 08:10:37 pm »
That pitch wasn't horrible (middle of the plate, but well below the knees), but Cruz guessed right.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2011, 08:10:59 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on June 21, 2011, 08:09:18 pm
That Corporan is an assflapper.

It really is amazing how little catching talent exists in the system. No one is going to confuse Q with Johnny Bench but his absence is killing the team. Hell, I'm ready to get Towles back if that gives you any idea of how bad it is.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2011, 08:19:19 pm »
Boojwah beat the tag.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2011, 08:20:07 pm »
Come on, Kepp.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 08:24:05 pm »
was hoping for a squeeze
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 08:25:15 pm »
Both Kody Hinze (Lancaster, CAL) and Chris Wallace (Lexington, SAL) won their league's Home Run Derby contest today!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 08:26:38 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on June 21, 2011, 08:24:05 pm
was hoping for a squeeze

I wouldn't have minded a double steal there either!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 08:29:46 pm »
Basically anything other than a double play would have been terrific.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 08:41:16 pm »
Lyles is hangin' in there, but a one run lead is nothing. Nothing.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 08:42:51 pm »
What the fuck is the deal with all those goons in sunglasses?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 08:43:19 pm »
JD: "The Brewers should be here with Corey Hart."

Classic.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 08:43:29 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on June 21, 2011, 08:41:16 pm
Lyles is hangin' in there, but a one run lead is nothing. Nothing.

I have been thinking if he makes this lead stand up I will be mightily impressed.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2011, 08:45:45 pm »
They're having fun in Arlington, attempting to set the Guiness Book Record for largest gathering of people wearing sunspecs after dark. whoo hoo!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2011, 08:47:17 pm »
Pam's got nothin' on them when it comes to promotions. Sunglasses!!!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2011, 08:48:51 pm »
What a fucking idiot I am. I have spent the entire game being mildly confused at the lineup seeming to turn over between Barmes and Bourgeois. I keep thinking I must have missed Lyles bunt or strike out or something. Imagine how utterly confounded I'm going to be in 2013.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2011, 08:50:38 pm »
Quote from: austro on June 21, 2011, 08:10:37 pm
That pitch wasn't horrible (middle of the plate, but well below the knees), but Cruz guessed right.

It was nearly in the dirt.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2011, 08:50:48 pm »
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They're having fun in Arlington, attempting to set the Guiness Book Record for largest gathering of people wearing sunspecs after dark. whoo hoo!

No way. With some of the people in the crowd they would have had a good head start of having the world's largest collection of dumbfucks.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2011, 08:51:20 pm »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 21, 2011, 08:25:15 pm
Both Kody Hinze (Lancaster, CAL) and Chris Wallace (Lexington, SAL) won their league's Home Run Derby contest today!
So they've got that going for them.  Which is nice.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2011, 08:51:36 pm »
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No way. With some of the people in the crowd they would have had a good head start of having the world's largest collection of dumbfucks.
It IS DFW.
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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2011, 08:53:34 pm »
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It IS DFW.

That's what I'm saying. They're well on their way.
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2011, 08:59:18 pm »
DFW = Dumb Fuck World?
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2011, 09:01:00 pm »
Is that JD?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2011, 09:02:47 pm »
Well, Boojwah butchered that play.
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2011, 09:03:01 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2011, 09:03:36 pm »
Bourgeois deserves two fucking errors on that play.
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2011, 09:03:59 pm »
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Bourgeois deserves two fucking errors on that play.

Should be 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.  Fuck.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2011, 09:04:56 pm »
C'mon kid, bear down! You got this!!!
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2011, 09:04:58 pm »
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Should be 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.  Fuck.

At worst they should have gotten the 3rd out with 1 run allowed.
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2011, 09:05:37 pm »
Quote from: rifraft on June 21, 2011, 09:03:59 pm
Should be 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.  Fuck.

Yeah, calling that an earned run stretches the definition.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2011, 09:05:48 pm »
Quote from: rifraft on June 21, 2011, 09:03:59 pm
Should be 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.  Fuck.

Should have been 3 outs, no runs. Just sayin... #ThanksClint
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2011, 09:05:58 pm »
Sure wish the Astros had a lock-down good half-way decent bullpen.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2011, 09:07:06 pm »
Man, Lyles chewed up Andrus there.
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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2011, 09:07:18 pm »
THERE WE GO KID!!!
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2011, 09:07:22 pm »
Quote from: rifraft on June 21, 2011, 09:03:59 pm
Should be 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.  Fuck.

It wouldn't have killed him to catch the ball on the fly. Barring that, how about at least throw it in the general direction of one of your infielders, preferably the guy who's positioned himself to go out and get the throw.

Lyles' slider is better tonight than I have seen it previously.
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2011, 09:07:43 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on June 21, 2011, 09:05:58 pm
Sure wish the Astros had a lock-down good half-way decent bullpen.

Send Lyles back out for the 8th, only chance he has for a victory.
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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2011, 09:12:14 pm »
Beltre is fun to watch at the hot corner.
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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2011, 09:12:29 pm »
Sweet fucking play by Beltre. Fucker.
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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2011, 09:13:46 pm »
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Sweet fucking play by Beltre. Fucker.

The Rangers far overpaid for him.
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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2011, 09:14:32 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 09:07:22 pm
Barring that, how about at least throw it in the general direction of one of your infielders, preferably the guy who's positioned himself to go out and get the throw.

That's what we get for having Pence tutor him.
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« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2011, 09:15:09 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 09:13:46 pm
The Rangers far overpaid for him.

Some guy named Lance said that too.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2011, 09:15:44 pm »
Hanley Ramirez: 4 hrs   17 rbi     .206 avg   .302 obp   .299  slg

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2011, 09:15:50 pm »
Wow. What a fucking joke.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2011, 09:15:53 pm »
Fucking bullpen.  AGAIN.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2011, 09:16:02 pm »
Why?!?!?!?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2011, 09:16:18 pm »
Worst fucking bullpen in the universe.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2011, 09:16:26 pm »
Sweet....
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2011, 09:16:52 pm »
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Worst fucking bullpen in the universe.

THE UNIVERSE!!!!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2011, 09:16:58 pm »
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-wow, that is shitastic in over 200 at bats.

Imagine the shit he'd be trying to pull if his numbers were good.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2011, 09:17:13 pm »
I wonder what it would be like to root for a team that hit three home runs in a week much less three in a game.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2011, 09:18:12 pm »
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I wonder what it would be like to root for a team that hit three home runs in a week much less three in a game.

You'd be an AL fan.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2011, 09:18:40 pm »
Now that the game is tied, and Jordan is out, I'm not so interested in watching the rest of the game.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2011, 09:19:13 pm »
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2011, 09:19:25 pm »
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Now that the game is tied, and Jordan is out, I'm not so interested in watching the rest of the game.

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2011, 09:19:33 pm »
Damn, Damn, Damn.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2011, 09:20:04 pm »
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EscaLOLna

No.  Hell, no.  I reckon you could get your ass kickedc for making a joke like that.

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2011, 09:22:06 pm »
Well, shitfuck!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2011, 09:22:24 pm »
You guys will be comforted to know that Abad is warming up. Mills wants the game to go from deeply irritating to spectacularly catastrophic.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2011, 09:22:51 pm »
And here he comes!
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2011, 09:23:27 pm »
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You guys will be comforted to know that Abad is warming up. Mills wants the game to go from deeply irritating to spectacularly catastrophic.

Just trying to end it in time for the news.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2011, 09:28:23 pm »
The Rangers are pinch hitting for a catcher. A catcher who is 2-3.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2011, 09:31:25 pm »
god forbid this game goes to extras, Stros will have no pitchers left.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2011, 09:32:15 pm »
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god forbid this game goes to extras, Stros will have no pitchers left.

How would that make a difference?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2011, 09:32:15 pm »
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god forbid this game goes to extras, Stros will have no pitchers left.

What the fuck difference would that make?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2011, 09:33:02 pm »
Where was that catch in the 7th Barmes? (Yes, still grumpy...).
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2011, 09:33:57 pm »
If we both submit something at the exact same time, how the fuck does yours get precedence over mine? Post count? Fuck that. Can I get an administrator over here, please?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2011, 09:34:54 pm »
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If we both submit something at the exact same time, how the fuck does yours get precedence over mine? Post count? Fuck that. Can I get an administrator over here, please?

Play it as it lies.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2011, 09:35:26 pm »
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What the fuck difference would that make?
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How would that make a difference?

I think you two just pulled the interwebs equivalent of dividing by zero.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2011, 09:36:24 pm »
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What the fuck difference would that make?

I don't drink, but I feel drunk.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2011, 09:38:11 pm »
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I don't drink, but I feel drunk.

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2011, 09:39:08 pm »
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I don't drink, but I feel drunk.

How could you possibly be watching an Astros at stR game without drinking heavily (a Lyles start notwithstanding) - I can't fathom such a thing?!?!?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2011, 09:39:54 pm »
Corporan's going to hit a home run.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2011, 09:40:45 pm »
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Corporan's going to hit a home run.

he started his swing before Feliz started the windup, and he was still late.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2011, 09:40:46 pm »
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Corporan's going to hit a home run.

Fuck.  I thought he had it.  So close.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2011, 09:41:15 pm »
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How could you possibly be watching an Astros at stR game without drinking heavily (a Lyles start notwithstanding) - I can't fathom such a thing?!?!?

Lyles, that's the only reason.
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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2011, 09:41:18 pm »
Wait, nobody posted the same thing as me at the same time? What?
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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2011, 09:42:02 pm »
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Wait, nobody posted the same thing as me at the same time? What?

that's how asinine the idea of Corporan hitting a home run is.
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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2011, 09:42:36 pm »
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Wait, nobody posted the same thing as me at the same time? What?

You'll have to wait for another Monocle thread.
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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2011, 09:42:48 pm »
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he started his swing before Feliz started the windup, and he was still late.

It's enough to make me believe that anyone could be the 5th-string catcher for a major league team.
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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2011, 09:43:29 pm »
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It's enough to make me believe that anyone could be the 5th-string catcher for a major league team.

only the 5th stringer is allowed to shake his ass that much while catching.
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« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2011, 09:46:30 pm »
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only the 5th stringer is allowed to shake his ass that much while catching.

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« Reply #91 on: June 21, 2011, 09:47:49 pm »
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only the 5th stringer is allowed to shake his ass that much while catching.

Corporan drives me nuts. I don't think that I could work with him.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #92 on: June 21, 2011, 09:48:40 pm »
Quote from: austro on June 21, 2011, 09:42:36 pm
You'll have to wait for another Monocle thread.

I have two Monocles on my bedroom floor waiting for me to catch up. One is dedicated to how to rebuild Japan and the other to transportation. I eagerly anticipate both. I also have the two latest Harpers. Each has at least one piece that interests me. I'm looking forward to those, too.

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #94 on: June 21, 2011, 09:50:06 pm »
Quote from: rifraft on June 21, 2011, 09:15:44 pm
Hanley Ramirez: 4 hrs   17 rbi     .206 avg   .302 obp   .299  slg

-wow, that is shitastic in over 200 at bats.
His teammates think so too.
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« Reply #95 on: June 21, 2011, 09:50:38 pm »
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Corporan drives me nuts. I don't think that I could work with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wears a g-string in his "other" job.
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« Reply #96 on: June 21, 2011, 09:53:13 pm »
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I wouldn't be surprised if he wears a g-string in his "other" job.

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« Reply #97 on: June 21, 2011, 09:56:57 pm »
Carlos Lee is going to hit a home run.
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« Reply #98 on: June 21, 2011, 10:00:31 pm »
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Carlos Lee is going to hit a home run.

This month? Or next?
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« Reply #99 on: June 21, 2011, 10:00:54 pm »
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What happens in Oklahoma City stays in Oklahoma City.

Then I really miss Round Rock.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #100 on: June 21, 2011, 10:11:16 pm »
They brought the little Japanese guy in.  I saw him when OKC played RR.  Should be able to get to him.
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« Reply #101 on: June 21, 2011, 10:22:11 pm »
mercifully, ended.
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« Reply #102 on: June 21, 2011, 10:22:23 pm »
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #103 on: June 21, 2011, 10:28:13 pm »
Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Mills is going to get fired after this year and that will be a terribly unjust outcome to a very good baseball man put in an untenable position by an impossible owner and an equally impossible GM.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #104 on: June 22, 2011, 01:56:28 am »
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Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Mills is going to get fired after this year and that will be a terribly unjust outcome to a very good baseball man put in an untenable position by an impossible owner and an equally impossible GM.

I'd like to hear what you wanted Wade to do with the lack of finances Drayton supplied him to build a better team?
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2011, 02:35:48 am »
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Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Mills is going to get fired after this year and that will be a terribly unjust outcome to a very good baseball man put in an untenable position by an impossible owner and an equally impossible GM.

I am quite positive Wade never, ever told Mills to PH for Wallace with Bourgeois because there was a LHP on the mound, nor did Wade tell him to walk Mr. 0-2 (or 3, at least 2 Ks), Mendoza-line batting Pena to get to Ramirez because there was a 'platoon advantage.' I was willing to give Mills a lot of rope... but... I'm afraid he's just about hung himself with it in my eyes, and it has little to do with what Wade did or didn't give him to work with. Lets just say I've been in a clean-house mood for a bit now...
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2011, 09:11:57 am »
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I am quite positive Wade never, ever told Mills to PH for Wallace with Bourgeois because there was a LHP on the mound, nor did Wade tell him to walk Mr. 0-2 (or 3, at least 2 Ks), Mendoza-line batting Pena to get to Ramirez because there was a 'platoon advantage.' I was willing to give Mills a lot of rope... but... I'm afraid he's just about hung himself with it in my eyes, and it has little to do with what Wade did or didn't give him to work with. Lets just say I've been in a clean-house mood for a bit now...

On the flip, Mills probably didn't ask for Wade to trade Oswalt for a package with Wallace as a keystone, a player who Mills seems to believe isn't much better than a lefy/righty platoon first baseman (and one who has displayed little to no power at this stage of his career). 

I'm really just saying: shit gets complicated. these guys are all going to be able to deflect blame. maybe it's best for Crane to just bring in a new regime.  The difference between a relatively brief climb from the current nadir to relevance and a sustained dwelling in mediocrity will likely depend on it, one way or another.  Those of us outside the Astros' cloisters don't have enough perspective to come to a conclusion on the ownership vs. operating regime debate.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2011, 09:13:35 am »
Quote from: hostros7 on June 22, 2011, 09:11:57 am
On the flip, Mills probably didn't ask for Wade to trade Oswalt for a package with Wallace as a keystone, a player who Mills seems to believe isn't much better than a lefy/righty platoon first baseman (and one who has displayed little to no power at this stage of his career). 

I'm really just saying: shit gets complicated. these guys are all going to be able to deflect blame. maybe it's best for Crane to just bring in a new regime.  The difference between a relatively brief climb from the current nadir to relevance and a sustained dwelling in mediocrity will likely depend on it, one way or another.  Those of us outside the Astros' cloisters don't have enough perspective to come to a conclusion on the ownership vs. operating regime debate.

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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #108 on: June 22, 2011, 09:27:39 am »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 10:28:13 pm
Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Mills is going to get fired after this year and that will be a terribly unjust outcome to a very good baseball man put in an untenable position by an impossible owner and an equally impossible GM.

you are completely irrational on this. totally over the edge.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2011, 10:01:52 am »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 10:28:13 pm
Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

You're going to need a long more schlong gorvelling to be the new HD on this.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2011, 10:09:33 am »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 10:28:13 pm
Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Mills is going to get fired after this year and that will be a terribly unjust outcome to a very good baseball man put in an untenable position by an impossible owner and an equally impossible GM.

I am not worried about Mills, if he is that great of a Manager then he will find another job.  I do not think Wade had free reign to do what he wanted, but if you do not think the organization as a whole has not improved during his tenure then we have to agree to disagree.  I do agree that McLane quit on the team once he decided to sell and that hurt the Astros.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #111 on: June 22, 2011, 10:45:31 am »
Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2011, 10:28:13 pm
Sing you Wade apologists, sing!

Whatever I do or don't think about Wade, I will say this about him: The man was seemingly able to convince McLane of the importance of the draft and trying to sign and develop prospects. At the end of the day, that will be Wade's most positive legacy over his tenure with the club IMO.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #112 on: June 22, 2011, 11:02:25 am »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 22, 2011, 10:45:31 am
Whatever I do or don't think about Wade, I will say this about him: The man was seemingly able to convince McLane of the importance of the draft and trying to sign and develop prospects. At the end of the day, that will be Wade's most positive legacy over his tenure with the club IMO.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the world was screaming that so I would hesitate to give Wade all the credit for that.  

Plus, didn't Wade make the Tejada deal that dealt away Scott and Patton?  I know that was really Drayton's deal, but Wade didn't exactly impose his force on him then.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #113 on: June 22, 2011, 11:03:49 am »
Quote from: JimR on June 22, 2011, 09:27:39 am
you are completely irrational on this. totally over the edge.

How? With the exception of Carlos Lee this is Ed Wade's team. I realize that he has financial constraints within which he must work. Guess what? There are twenty six other GMs with some sort of payroll restriction and every single one of them has but together a team that is better than the Astros. The three that appear not to have any restrictions at all also have teams that are better, obviously.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2011, 11:35:28 am »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 22, 2011, 10:45:31 am
Whatever I do or don't think about Wade, I will say this about him: The man was seemingly able to convince McLane of the importance of the draft and trying to sign and develop prospects. At the end of the day, that will be Wade's most positive legacy over his tenure with the club IMO.

I agree, with the caveat that what Wade does with those drafts will be his enduring legacy. 

Coincidentally, it is not inconceivable that someone could have watched last night's game and said "wow, that Lyles was a nice acquisition made during Wade's tunure, same with that Bourn guy, and those Kepp and Boojwa guys.  That Wade guy may not be as stupid as some people make him out to be."
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2011, 12:23:06 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 22, 2011, 11:03:49 am
How? With the exception of Carlos Lee this is Ed Wade's team. I realize that he has financial constraints within which he must work. Guess what? There are twenty six other GMs with some sort of payroll restriction and every single one of them has but together a team that is better than the Astros. The three that appear not to have any restrictions at all also have teams that are better, obviously.

And it was a team that was pretty amazingly shitty when he took over. If you start off with a shitty product, have your hands cuffed solidly behind your back, and are told you can't spend much money, odds are you're not going to be able to make a World Series contender in a few years.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2011, 01:24:02 pm »
Quote from: roadrunner on June 22, 2011, 11:02:25 am
I'm pretty sure everyone in the world was screaming that so I would hesitate to give Wade all the credit for that.  

Plus, didn't Wade make the Tejada deal that dealt away Scott and Patton?  I know that was really Drayton's deal, but Wade didn't exactly impose his force on him then.

Tejada was far more useful to the Astros than Scott or Patton would have been. Scott forced a trade with his petulant, me-first attitude in RR.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #117 on: June 22, 2011, 02:34:53 pm »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 22, 2011, 02:35:48 am
I am quite positive Wade never, ever told Mills to PH for Wallace with Bourgeois because there was a LHP on the mound, nor did Wade tell him to walk Mr. 0-2 (or 3, at least 2 Ks), Mendoza-line batting Pena to get to Ramirez because there was a 'platoon advantage.' I was willing to give Mills a lot of rope... but... I'm afraid he's just about hung himself with it in my eyes, and it has little to do with what Wade did or didn't give him to work with. Lets just say I've been in a clean-house mood for a bit now...

Sad to say it, but Mills is probably gone at season's end, along with Wade, who probably deserves it more.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2011, 02:36:54 pm »
Quote from: MRaup on June 22, 2011, 12:23:06 pm
And it was a team that was pretty amazingly shitty when he took over.

This year's team is amazingly shitty. The 2008 team finished 86-75.

The farm was certainly amazingly shitty at the time. (I can't see that it's significantly improved.) And if conventional wisdom is to be believed his brief was impossible: win now without rebuilding or spending very much money. There is no doubt that Wade has been confronted with a very challenging set of circumstances.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2011, 02:45:23 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 22, 2011, 02:36:54 pm
The farm was certainly amazingly shitty at the time. (I can't see that it's significantly improved.)

Re: "can't see that it's significantly improved"

If you can't see it, then you either ain't looking or are oblivious...

The farm is by no means the best around, but things are going in the right direction.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #120 on: June 22, 2011, 02:46:49 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 22, 2011, 02:36:54 pm
This year's team is amazingly shitty. The 2008 team finished 86-75.

The farm was certainly amazingly shitty at the time. (I can't see that it's significantly improved.) And if conventional wisdom is to be believed his brief was impossible: win now without rebuilding or spending very much money. There is no doubt that Wade has been confronted with a very challenging set of circumstances.

This. The farm is looking a little better and producing a few good players. Spending is down, opening up possibilities for future signings when the time is right. It is a full rebuild of the team and the system, IMO. As bad as it is, I think the organization is making positive progress while the MLB team is struggling.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #121 on: June 22, 2011, 02:47:58 pm »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 22, 2011, 02:45:23 pm
Re: "can't see that it's significantly improved"

If you can't see it, then you either ain't looking or are oblivious...

The farm is by no means the best around, but things are going in the right direction.

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« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2011, 02:54:42 pm »
Quote from: subnuclear on June 22, 2011, 02:47:58 pm
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2011, 03:09:02 pm »
I've given up on the mango policing, dude, fuck it. I have a freezer full of mangos, a kitchen full of mangos, a yard full of mangos. You want some? Come get them. Please.

I will admit to being pessimistic, possibly overly, regarding the organization's prospects. That is partially because there is only one prospect I have seen that I am convinced can make an impact at the major league level: JD Martinez. It is also because I have not seen very many of the lower level prospects that some of you are (justifiably I assume) so excited about. Hell, I haven't even seen Altuve in person. He was not a spring invitee, not to cast any doubts on the talent evaluation that goes on over there.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2011, 03:58:31 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 22, 2011, 02:36:54 pm
This year's team is amazingly shitty. The 2008 team finished 86-75.

The farm was certainly amazingly shitty at the time. (I can't see that it's significantly improved.) And if conventional wisdom is to be believed his brief was impossible: win now without rebuilding or spending very much money. There is no doubt that Wade has been confronted with a very challenging set of circumstances.

For the record, that 86-75 team had this roster to work with: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2008&t=HOU

That team doesn't look much better than the current roster to me, save a few more reliable arms in the bullpen. Lyon was a reliable late innings guy until this year, but Chad Paronto, Dave Borkowski, Oscar Villareal, Wesley Wright, Geoff Geary, and Tim Byrdak weren't exactly high quality bullpen arms either.
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« Reply #125 on: June 22, 2011, 04:27:39 pm »
Quote from: MRaup on June 22, 2011, 03:58:31 pm
For the record, that 86-75 team had this roster to work with: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2008&t=HOU

That team doesn't look much better than the current roster to me, save a few more reliable arms in the bullpen. Lyon was a reliable late innings guy until this year, but Chad Paronto, Dave Borkowski, Oscar Villareal, Wesley Wright, Geoff Geary, and Tim Byrdak weren't exactly high quality bullpen arms either.

The pitching numbers do look pretty similar. The pythagorean for the 2008 team was 77-84, interestingly.

Offensively the thing that really leaps out is this year's lack of power. The 2008 team hit 167 home runs. (You'll remember that Carlos missed a considerable portion of the year yet he hit 28!) Otherwise, team BA, OBP and OPS are reasonably similar.
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Re: Astros at stRangers, 6/21/11
« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2011, 04:38:31 pm »
Quote from: chuck on June 22, 2011, 03:09:02 pm
Hell, I haven't even seen Altuve in person.

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