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Berkman's contract
« on: July 30, 2010, 01:35:30 pm »
OK, so he's owed about $5.5 million for the remainder of this year, plus a $2 million buyout if the Astros decline his 2001 option, so they're on the hook for a minimum of $7.5 million. That's not bad, and seems like it's moveable if anyone is interested. It also seems like he might not clear waivers, so the pool of potential partners could dwindle to one after the deadline.

What I can't figure out is if he has value in terms of draft pick(s) if the Astros don't get any desirable offers. Somebody do the annual educating of the unwashed on the topic, if you don't mind. If the option is declined, will the club be compensated with a pick if he signs elsewhere? Do they have to offer arbitration? Would they? Is he even a type A/B? Or would it just be a cost-cutting move with no return beyond savings? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 01:40:17 pm »
Astros would have to offer arbitration.  His value is likely very low and the Astros would need to pick up a majority of the remaining $7m to get any kind of return.  The Jorge Cantu trade is a great proxy.  I believe FLA picked up his entire salary and got a few players - one coming off TJ  and the other playing reasonably well in AA, but not an elite prospect by any means.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 01:47:15 pm »
Astros would have to offer arbitration.  His value is likely very low and the Astros would need to pick up a majority of the remaining $7m to get any kind of return.  The Jorge Cantu trade is a great proxy.  I believe FLA picked up his entire salary and got a few players - one coming off TJ  and the other playing reasonably well in AA, but not an elite prospect by any means.

Actually, I believe the Rangers took on all of Cantu's salary.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 01:47:19 pm »
They would have to offer arb to get draft pick compensation if he signs elsewhere.  Type A/B, dunno.

Don't expect arb because if he took it (likely?) then the Astros would have to pay him a shitload of money anyway.  Why not just exercise the option then and be done with it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 01:49:34 pm »
Actually, I believe the Rangers took on all of Cantu's salary.

Looked it up (coudn't remember during the post).  Rangers took on $1.6 million, FLA kept $600k.  In short, you could expect to receive a similar return if the Astros picked up about $6m of the remaining $7.5 million.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 02:13:21 pm »
Berkman to the Yanks looks like it is close to happening.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 02:14:25 pm »
Berkman to the Yanks looks like it is close to happening.

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 02:15:12 pm »
Berkman to the Yanks looks like it is close to happening.

That would put this Berkman fan in an uncomfortable position.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 02:17:35 pm »
According to anyone other than Pinwheel?

Yes.   A friend close to the situation.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 02:18:16 pm »
Yes.   A friend close to the situation.

Thanks.  It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust Pinwheel.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 02:20:28 pm »
Thanks.  It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust Pinwheel.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 02:22:52 pm »
I don't think Berkman's done. He's got at least a couple more .290-30 homer years in him and will continue to draw walks.

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 02:24:44 pm »
I don't think Berkman's done. He's got at least a couple more .290-30 homer years in him and will continue to draw walks.

Berkman would be the tits in yankee stadium.  He wouldn't have to go oppo to deposit fly balls into the seats. 

That said, looking forward to faith and family night in New Yankee. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 02:24:57 pm »
I don't think Berkman's done. He's got at least a couple more .290-30 homer years in him and will continue to draw walks.

Very injury dependent.  I worry about that knee.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 02:27:37 pm »
Faith and Family night on steroids if you have Andy P testify too!
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 02:32:45 pm »
Faith and Family night on steroids if you have Andy P testify too!

The left side of their infield would be very confused by faith and family night.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2010, 02:35:44 pm »
The left side of their infield would be very confused by faith and family night.

So would the approx. 20,000 Jewish fans in attendance.

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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2010, 02:37:41 pm »
The left side of their infield would be very confused by faith and family night.

They'll headline Narcissism Night.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2010, 02:39:01 pm »
So would the approx. 20,000 Jewish fans in attendance.

It always looks to me like NYS is half Joo, half Catholic.   I don't see Protestant Night being big in South Bronx.

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2010, 02:39:27 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 02:39:31 pm »
They'll headline Narcissism Night.

How is that not every single game at NYS?

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 02:42:28 pm »
It always looks to me like NYS is half Joo, half Catholic.   I don't see Protestant Night being big in South Bronx.

I think it's more accurate to say NYC is half Jewish, half Catholic, half atheist, half agnostic, and 10% wiccan.

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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 02:45:27 pm »
I think it's more accurate to say NYC is half Jewish, half Catholic, half atheist, half agnostic, and 10% wiccan.
Not to mention the small pocket of Agnostic Atheist Catholic wiccans with Jewish tendencies.

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2010, 02:46:18 pm »
Not to mention the small pocket of Agnostic Atheist Catholic wiccans with Jewish tendencies.

Yeah, but he's already posting here, right?
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2010, 02:47:48 pm »
Yeah, but he's already posting here, right?
Only under a pseudonym ..... my guess is Limey.

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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2010, 02:48:36 pm »
Only under a pseudonym ..... my guess is Limey.

I believe you are looking for Alkie.
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2010, 02:50:27 pm »
I believe you are looking for Alkie.
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2010, 02:53:16 pm »
Sounds like a deal would have to come together pretty quickly:

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Such a deal would need time to materialize. As a player with at least 10 years of service time and at least five with the same team, Berkman has a 24-hour period, which he cannot waive, to approve the deal.

It must be completed by 3 p.m. Saturday to be done without putting Berkman through waivers.

Does this mean that the deal would have to be completed before 3:00 today?  Or could they agree to send him to a team while still working out the prospects involved?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7132486.html

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2010, 02:53:54 pm »
Yes.   A friend close to the situation.

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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2010, 03:00:20 pm »
That would put this Berkman fan in an uncomfortable position.

I have to admit seeing Lance face Roy in the WS would be pretty neat. Although that would mean the Yankees were in the WS again, which would suck.

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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2010, 03:10:01 pm »
The Sawx have picked up the phone to inquire about Lance as well.
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2010, 03:10:42 pm »
Wait, extensive research is pointing to JACkAstro... the W is silent.

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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2010, 03:32:43 pm »
No, no, no... we've already documented our belief systems.
I figure it was just deep cover... our own version of the Russian Spy thing.

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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2010, 03:35:10 pm »
Berkman not in the starting lineup tonight, but as McTaggart notes, he's facing a lefty and is listed as a reserve.

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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2010, 03:39:27 pm »
so both Pence!!! and Berkman are sitting?

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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2010, 03:40:08 pm »
Berkman not in the starting lineup tonight, but as McTaggart notes, he's facing a lefty and is listed as a reserve.

weird...don't know how to correlate that to a trade.

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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2010, 03:40:59 pm »
so both Pence!!! and Berkman are sitting?

apparently so.

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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2010, 03:44:32 pm »
so both Pence!!! and Berkman are sitting?

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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 03:59:58 pm »
BusterTweet:  Heard this: The Steinbrenners have given pre-approval to the acquisition of a large salary such as Lance Berkman or Adam Dunn.
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2010, 04:01:10 pm »
Footer: Puma is here. Feels there is a decent possibility he'll be traded. But he has not been traded.

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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2010, 04:02:18 pm »
Joel Sherman tweet:

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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2010, 04:03:39 pm »
Can Berkman pass a physical at this point?
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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2010, 04:04:25 pm »
Footer too.  And Buster.

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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2010, 04:04:42 pm »
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2010, 04:06:40 pm »
Joel Sherman tweet:


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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2010, 04:06:52 pm »
Wow. I always expected Roy to leave at some point, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around Lance playing for anyone but the Astros.

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« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2010, 04:07:53 pm »
Footer:  Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for...


Footer:...the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt.


Footer:  Berkman: "No matter what happens Houston is my home first and foremost."
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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2010, 04:09:09 pm »
Man, she's been awfully blunt lately.

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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2010, 04:10:12 pm »
Footer:  Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for...


Footer:...the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt.

That's pretty fucking cool.
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2010, 04:11:38 pm »
That's pretty fucking cool.

I have zero problems with him.  In fact, I think if he hadn't followed Bagwell, we'd appreciate him even more.

He'll be missed.
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« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2010, 04:12:18 pm »
Footer:  Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for...


Footer:...the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt.


Footer:  Berkman: "No matter what happens Houston is my home first and foremost."

He loves Texas.  He can probably sell his wife on a summer vacation somewhere else, but I can't see him away for the long term.  At least I hope.  I feel the opposite that I did yesterday.  If he goes, I only hope it's to get a ring while contributing the way he has proven he can for a long time.

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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2010, 04:14:01 pm »
That's pretty fucking cool.

Sure.  The Astros get a couple of decent prospects and then have to send their first rounder back to the Yankees in order to sign Lance back.

Doh.
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2010, 04:14:05 pm »
Roy Oswalt = Astros Great

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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2010, 04:15:21 pm »
The insisting his option is not picked up will get us less in return, but he's only gone for this season and we're not going anywhere this season anyway. I will be curious to see what we get in return.

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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2010, 04:16:03 pm »
Sure.  The Astros get a couple of decent prospects and then have to send their first rounder back to the Yankees in order to sign Lance back.

Doh.

Nope.  Last Elias projections from MLBTR show Berkman as barely holding on to Type B status.  Not sure how the move to AL would affect that.
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« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2010, 04:16:23 pm »
Sure.  The Astros get a couple of decent prospects and then have to send their first rounder back to the Yankees in order to sign Lance back.

Doh.

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« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2010, 04:16:28 pm »
The insisting his option is not picked up will get us less in return

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« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2010, 04:17:20 pm »
The insisting his option is not picked up will get us less in return, but he's only gone for this season and we're not going anywhere this season anyway. I will be curious to see what we get in return.

I doubt anyone was going to pick up his option.  Could be wrong, but he certainly hasn't hit like a $15m 1B this year.
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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2010, 04:17:38 pm »
Sure.  The Astros get a couple of decent prospects and then have to send their first rounder back to the Yankees in order to sign Lance back.

Doh.

He could insist they don't offer him arbitration, too.
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« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2010, 04:18:07 pm »
Footer:  Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year.

But would the Astros take him back?
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« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2010, 04:19:02 pm »
Incorrect

As in, could not be more wrong.
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« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2010, 04:19:42 pm »
He could insist they don't offer him arbitration, too.

Like the Mets-Red Sox Wagner deal, no?
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« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2010, 04:20:51 pm »
Incorrect

Agreed. If anything, all it does is give the Yankees/whoever the latitude to say, "fine, then you pay the buyout". Which, again, I just don't give a shit about.
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« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2010, 04:23:38 pm »
Nope.  Last Elias projections from MLBTR show Berkman as barely holding on to Type B status.  Not sure how the move to AL would affect that.

According to one of my friends that looks at such things, he likely wouldn't even be Type B in the AL.  I don't understand how these things work, but my friend does have an MBA.  From an ivy league school.  And he's Jewish.
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« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2010, 04:23:53 pm »
I stand corrected.

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« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2010, 04:24:53 pm »
As in, could not be more wrong.

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« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2010, 04:26:06 pm »
http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers/status/19939993153

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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2010, 04:26:17 pm »
According to one of my friends that looks at such things, he likely wouldn't even be Type B in the AL.  I don't understand how these things work, but my friend does have an MBA.  From an ivy league school.  And he's Jewish.

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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2010, 04:27:21 pm »
Your friends with Brad Ausmus?

He's in trouble if he is.
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« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2010, 04:27:44 pm »
According to one of my friends that looks at such things, he likely wouldn't even be Type B in the AL.  I don't understand how these things work, but my friend does have an MBA.  From an ivy league school.  And he's Jewish.

And aren't the first 10 or so picks protected even if we did sign a type A?

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« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2010, 04:29:01 pm »
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« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2010, 04:29:51 pm »
Why is there not even a morsel of baseless speculation on who the Astros are getting in the deal?
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« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2010, 04:30:12 pm »
Your friends with Brad Ausmus?

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« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2010, 04:30:13 pm »
Just tell me who we get.  Giving him away would not sit well with me, unless it's being done as a favor to him.
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« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2010, 04:31:30 pm »
http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers/status/19939993153

"Source: Yankees deal for Berkman is "imminent" - won't be giving up any big prospects, but will take on his contract. He'll be the new DH."

You mean, no Montero, no Phil Hughes?!@#$%@!!  Fleeced again, Ed Wade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2010, 04:31:33 pm »
Just tell me who we get.  Giving him away would not sit well with me, unless it's being done as a favor to him.

Sounds like the return is merely bags of cash in uncle drayton's greedy little hands.
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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2010, 04:31:49 pm »
Just tell me who we get.  Giving him away would not sit well with me, unless it's being done as a favor to him.

If they only get marginal prospects back then it's all a favor to him.  Otherwise why do the deal?  The salary relief isn't much, and they don't have to pick up his option.
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« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2010, 04:32:21 pm »
You mean, no Montero, no Phil Hughes?!@#$%@!!  Fleeced again, Ed Wade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like Cano, thank you.

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« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2010, 04:33:44 pm »
Just tell me who we get.  Giving him away would not sit well with me, unless it's being done as a favor to him.

Yeah, it would kinda suck if this just turns out to be a move to recover some of the cash given to the Phillies.  That said, the stint in NY could be very positive for Berkman's national percecption, which he deserves even if he doesn't seek it.

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« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2010, 04:34:14 pm »
You mean, no Montero, no Phil Hughes?!@#$%@!!  Fleeced again, Ed Wade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd even take Jobu.
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« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2010, 04:34:47 pm »
What's the rule on re-signing your own free agents -- isn't there a maximum salary cut there? If so, maybe this opens up a better possibility of re-signing him?
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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2010, 04:35:37 pm »
heyman on MLBN just said berkman initially wanted his option picked up.  am i missing something?  or is this just more baseless bullshit from heyman?

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« Reply #82 on: July 30, 2010, 04:35:48 pm »
rosenthal on twitter:

#Yankees indeed moving quickly on Berkman, as others report. Team will NOT pick up 15M option as condition of deal; strictly a rental. #MLB

A twist on Berkman: Due to his 10-5 rts, trade to #Yankees would not be official until after expiration of 24-hr window (MORE) #Astros #MLB

Source says he gave approval earlier today, so everything should be OK. But official word would not be until Sat. aft. #Astros #Yankees #MLB

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« Reply #83 on: July 30, 2010, 04:37:34 pm »
If they only get marginal prospects back then it's all a favor to him.  Otherwise why do the deal?  The salary relief isn't much, and they don't have to pick up his option.

Could be a short stint in RR for Mr. Wallace.  Of course, Feliz is available.
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« Reply #84 on: July 30, 2010, 04:38:55 pm »
Of course, Feliz is available.

Unfortunately, nobody's taken him.
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« Reply #85 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:12 pm »
Frankie Piliere has tweeted the names Ivan Nova and David Adams as possibles in the trade.

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« Reply #86 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:45 pm »
Of course, Feliz is available.

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« Reply #87 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:53 pm »
Frankie Piliere has tweeted the names Ivan Nova and David Adams as possibles in the trade.

Isn't Adams the guy that the Mariners wanted for Lee?
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« Reply #88 on: July 30, 2010, 04:41:31 pm »
heyman on MLBN just said berkman initially wanted his option picked up.  am i missing something?  or is this just more baseless bullshit from heyman?

Baseless BS:

Per Footer: "Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt."
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« Reply #89 on: July 30, 2010, 04:42:28 pm »
Could be a short stint in RR for Mr. Wallace.  Of course, Feliz is available.

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« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2010, 04:43:49 pm »
Baseless BS:

Per Footer: "Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt."

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Footer:  Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for...


Footer:...the new team to NOT pick up his option. He's the anti-Oswalt.


Footer:  Berkman: "No matter what happens Houston is my home first and foremost."
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« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2010, 04:44:01 pm »
Then, in the next Tweet Footer crushes the hopes and dreams of every SnSer with the following: 

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« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2010, 04:44:09 pm »
Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

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Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

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Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

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Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

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Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

No friggin way.
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« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2010, 04:45:23 pm »
Could be a short stint in RR for Mr. Wallace.  Of course, Feliz is available.

And Blum should be back soon-ish. I think a platoon of them the rest of the way with a September call-up for Wallace would be a pretty likely scenario.
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« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2010, 04:45:45 pm »
Then, in the next Tweet Footer crushes the hopes and dreams of every SnSer with the following: 

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She typed giddily as she took another pull on her vodka.
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« Reply #99 on: July 30, 2010, 04:46:01 pm »
Yeah, no one.  We don't own a rental unit.  But it SOUNDED fucking awesome, no?

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« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2010, 04:46:08 pm »
Ha.  You won't believe whose personal assistant just called to see if we'd be willing to do 3 months on our rental unit on the Upper East. 

I'm guessing there was no request for hookers and blow.
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« Reply #101 on: July 30, 2010, 04:47:08 pm »
She typed giddily as she took another pull on her vodka.

Footer has a far greater affinity (platonic) for Lance than anyone else on the club, that much is for sure. I'm sure he's every reporter's favorite, but she doesn't hide it as well.  I probably couldn't either, no homo?

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« Reply #102 on: July 30, 2010, 04:47:08 pm »
Vincent Chase?

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« Reply #103 on: July 30, 2010, 04:47:33 pm »
I'm guessing there was no request for hookers and blow.

We'll need to save all of those to get the Lee trade through...
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« Reply #104 on: July 30, 2010, 04:48:40 pm »
Footer has a far greater affinity (platonic) for Lance than anyone else on the club, that much is for sure. I'm sure he's every reporter's favorite, but she doesn't hide it as well.  I probably couldn't either, no homo?

Are you insinuating that her affinity for #9 is not platonic?  Maybe I missed the pancake house trips with Puma.

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« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2010, 04:49:30 pm »
i am still trying to wrap my brain around berkman in new york.. it just does not compute ( and no i am not yalking about team wise)
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« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2010, 04:51:45 pm »
You all know he grew up a Yank fan right?

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« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2010, 04:51:52 pm »
"Berkman" is now a trending topic on Twitter.
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« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2010, 04:52:11 pm »
You all know he grew up a Yank fan right?

Yeah, but then he was told to stop before he went blind.
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« Reply #109 on: July 30, 2010, 04:53:01 pm »
nova is 9-2 with a sub 3.00 era at AAA and adams is hitting .309 at AA.  i guess you could do worse.

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« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2010, 04:54:26 pm »
"Berkman" is now a trending topic on Twitter.

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« Reply #111 on: July 30, 2010, 04:56:06 pm »
Yeah, no one.  We don't own a rental unit.  But it SOUNDED fucking awesome, no?

Come on, admit it.  Have you ever even seen NY?  And no, watching Letterman every night doesn't count.
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« Reply #112 on: July 30, 2010, 04:58:21 pm »
Come on, admit it.  Have you ever even seen NY?  And no, watching Letterman every night doesn't count.

Well, I was going to drop this bomb in 9 months on the second anniversary, but I've never even been to NYC.

I moved back to El Paso 4 years ago and have been here since trying to get a gig in zoological accounting.   I just wanted to be loved.

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« Reply #113 on: July 30, 2010, 05:00:34 pm »
Berkman says he told Wade he did not want to go to the West Coast, and talks w/Angels were cut off at that point.
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« Reply #114 on: July 30, 2010, 05:09:58 pm »
pretty much the same stuff from Olney on sportscenter just now.

says that the berkman deal would be just a salary dump. they'd agree to take on lance's contract and not give up a major prospect in return.

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« Reply #115 on: July 30, 2010, 05:14:30 pm »
sherman on twitter:

Deal is completed, Berkman consented to waive no-trade rights, just have to wait 24 hrs for the technicality #Yankees, #Astros   

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« Reply #116 on: July 30, 2010, 05:18:26 pm »
Waiting for BP's opinion of some Yankee prospects to plummet in 5,4,3,2...
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Waiting for BP's opinion of some Yankee prospects to plummet in 5,4,3,2...

Exactly.
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« Reply #118 on: July 30, 2010, 05:22:32 pm »
Wow. Sad to see Lance go, still won't make me root for the Yankees, though I hope he rakes for the next two+ months.
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« Reply #119 on: July 30, 2010, 05:25:33 pm »
I don't understand the purpose of a salary dump trade if the contract is going to expire after the season anyway.  If the Astros aren't trading to pick up significant prospects then should put down the phone -- or give the season ticket holders their money back.
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« Reply #120 on: July 30, 2010, 05:26:14 pm »
I don't understand the purpose of a salary dump trade if the contract is going to expire after the season anyway.  If the Astros aren't trading to pick up significant prospects then should put down the phone -- or give the season ticket holders their money back.

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« Reply #121 on: July 30, 2010, 05:27:48 pm »
So, is this correct:

We traded Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman for one 27 year old starter/reliever, one A-ball pitcher, and one could-miss slugger who can't play a position?

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« Reply #122 on: July 30, 2010, 05:30:34 pm »
So, is this correct:

We traded Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman for one 27 year old starter/reliever, one A-ball pitcher, and one could-miss slugger who can't play a position?

maybe traded Berkman for half a year, and you're missing a player.

not that you care 'cause you're on a roll, but my scout friend says Mr. Could Miss can really hit.
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« Reply #123 on: July 30, 2010, 05:31:07 pm »
So, is this correct:

We traded Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman for one 27 year old starter/reliever, one A-ball pitcher, and one could-miss slugger who can't play a position?

Worse, one A-ball shortstop not pitcher.  But the slugger can play 1B.  He passes HH's test.
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« Reply #124 on: July 30, 2010, 05:34:02 pm »
So, is this correct:

We traded Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman for one 27 year old starter/reliever, one A-ball pitcher, and one could-miss slugger who can't play a position?

You don't see Drayton's plan.   Berkman goes and gets his ring with the Yankees and comes back a CHAMPION next year.   Big time clubhouse and not to mention marketing value there!

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« Reply #125 on: July 30, 2010, 05:34:44 pm »
maybe traded Berkman for half a year, and you're missing a player.

not that you care 'cause you're on a roll, but my scout friend says Mr. Could Miss can really hit.

Well, he can really hit minor league pitching, right?  I mean, he could miss.

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« Reply #126 on: July 30, 2010, 05:35:20 pm »
Yeah, I have to say, this isn't the boatload of prospects I was envisioning in this Fire Sale.

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« Reply #127 on: July 30, 2010, 05:39:31 pm »
Well, he can really hit minor league pitching, right?  I mean, he could miss.

Who was it (Noe?) that said Wallace could have bigger upside offensively than Buster Posey?  But yes, he could miss.  But if only you'd seen him in Vegas, baby...he was like, I don't know, that kid on 21.  He killed!
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« Reply #128 on: July 30, 2010, 05:40:10 pm »
Yeah, I have to say, this isn't the boatload of prospects I was envisioning in this Fire Sale.

Yeah but at least Drayton got to unload salary.  That makes me sleep better at night.

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« Reply #129 on: July 30, 2010, 05:41:27 pm »
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« Reply #130 on: July 30, 2010, 05:42:09 pm »
Yeah, I have to say, this isn't the boatload of prospects I was envisioning in this Fire Sale.

Whoa there, we're trading Roy Oswalt, not Victor Zambrano.

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« Reply #131 on: July 30, 2010, 05:43:57 pm »
Let's not forget Drayton saved $10 million or so for next year, which combined with the $15 million from Berkman's expiring contract provides some change in Wade's pocket to pick up a few parts for next year and beyond.
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« Reply #132 on: July 30, 2010, 05:46:09 pm »
People bitched at Drayton for not realizing it was time to rebuild.   Drayton finally decides to rebuild and people are bitching about rebuilding.   People like bitching.
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« Reply #133 on: July 30, 2010, 05:50:07 pm »
People bitched at Drayton for not realizing it was time to rebuild.   Drayton finally decides to rebuild and people are bitching about rebuilding.   People like bitching.

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« Reply #134 on: July 30, 2010, 05:57:56 pm »
I try to avoid it.
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« Reply #135 on: July 30, 2010, 06:03:54 pm »
pretty much the same stuff from Olney on sportscenter just now.

says that the berkman deal would be just a salary dump. they'd agree to take on lance's contract and not give up a major prospect in return.
Since the Yanks are interested in taking on salaries maybe Wade can convince them a DH platoon is in order and will give them the right handed half for no major prospects in return. He can even play left field in a pinch.
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« Reply #136 on: July 30, 2010, 06:04:54 pm »
So, is this correct:

We traded Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman for one 27 year old starter/reliever, one A-ball pitcher, and one could-miss slugger who can't play a position?

The 27-yr-old you dismiss as a starter/reliever was runner-up in last year's ROY vote and has been heavily scouted by Ed Wade for the last six years or so. The SS is very young and has a cannon arm with excellent range. The could-miss slugger is on the cusp of the big leagues, was selected in the first round by the St Louis Cardinals, and was a prominent piece in trades involving three All-Star players. I'm gonna trust Ed's gut on this one.

We don't know what the Astros will get for Berkman, but the logical guesses are the guys the Yankees discussed in the Lee trade (Ivan Nova, David Adams, and/or Zach McAllister).

By trading  Berkman the Astros save 5+ million bucks this season, which they can apply elsewhere, and they get younger with a prospect or two from the Yankees organization.


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« Reply #137 on: July 30, 2010, 06:11:33 pm »
According to Buster Olney, Astros are picking up most of the money

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« Reply #138 on: July 30, 2010, 06:12:22 pm »
Fallas: Several teammates of #Astros 1B Lance 3Berkman surround him in the clubhouse and hugs and handshakes are exchanged. Telling. #hounews

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« Reply #139 on: July 30, 2010, 06:13:54 pm »
According to Buster Olney, Astros are picking up most of the money

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Fallas: Several teammates of #Astros 1B Lance 3Berkman surround him in the clubhouse and hugs and handshakes are exchanged. Telling. #hounews

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« Reply #141 on: July 30, 2010, 06:16:37 pm »
Never really imagined this day actually happening. Sucks. Stay golden, Puma
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« Reply #142 on: July 30, 2010, 06:18:31 pm »
Via Callis on Twitter, Yankees SS/3B prospect Jimmy Paredes was a late scratch from Charleston's game against Greenville in the Sally League. He could be one of the prospects.

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sherman on twitter:

Deal is completed, Berkman consented to waive no-trade rights, just have to wait 24 hrs for the technicality #Yankees, #Astros   

I always thought the deal was completed once consent was given.  As is fairly common, I'm wrong.  Below is the technicality from the CBA.  Not sure why it was important to force the clubs 24 hours to make a written consent effective.  Maybe to give him time to reverse his thoughts??


"ARTICLE XIX—Assignment of Player Contracts
A. Consent to Assignment
(1) The contract of a Player with ten or more years of Major
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« Reply #144 on: July 30, 2010, 06:19:03 pm »
Well Olney says not major prospects either...
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« Reply #145 on: July 30, 2010, 06:29:57 pm »
One of the last things Lance did as an Astro was hit a grand slam to help beat the FTC. Godspeed, Puma.
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« Reply #146 on: July 30, 2010, 06:50:29 pm »
 Maybe to give him time to reverse his thoughts??

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« Reply #147 on: July 30, 2010, 06:51:03 pm »
Well, what the hell? Nobody on the internets seems to know (or care?) which prospects the Yanks gave up for Berkman. Haven't even seen any speculation really.
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« Reply #148 on: July 30, 2010, 06:56:00 pm »
Well, what the hell? Nobody on the internets seems to know (or care?) which prospects the Yanks gave up for Berkman. Haven't even seen any speculation really.

Most people seem to think the Astros get nothing for some reason. Now I'm reading that the Astros are picking up some of the money too.

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« Reply #149 on: July 30, 2010, 07:13:29 pm »
Come on, admit it.  Have you ever even seen NY?  And no, watching Letterman every night doesn't count.

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« Reply #150 on: July 30, 2010, 07:18:32 pm »
Maybe it's just because it's a slow news Friday night and the big sports media are lazy, but this is looking weird to me. The big media seems to be reporting that the Astros will pay a significant part of salary and get nothing in return, when the deal hasn't been announced.

Is this just a function of "I'm a reporter with ESPN who has contacts with the Yankees, and the Yankees claim they're getting him for nothing, and the Astros are small-market country bumpkins, so I'll just report the official Yankees line that they're fleecing Houston"? Or should I actually be quite pessimistic about what the Astros are going to be getting back in return?
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« Reply #151 on: July 30, 2010, 07:25:54 pm »
Patti Smith just announced that the testimonial tomorrow at Faith & Family is either going to be Berkman (who it's been announced as) or Moehler. The trade's a certainty then.
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« Reply #152 on: July 30, 2010, 07:55:30 pm »
If he's already said he wants to come back next year, why would NYY give up much? No chance to keep him.
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« Reply #153 on: July 30, 2010, 08:00:13 pm »
If he's already said he wants to come back next year, why would NYY give up much? No chance to keep him.

You're absolutely correct.
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« Reply #154 on: July 30, 2010, 08:00:53 pm »
If he's already said he wants to come back next year, why would NYY give up much? No chance to keep him.

Until he's seduced by the bright lights of NYC!  How are you gonna keep him on the farm when he's seen Hank Steinbrenner?
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« Reply #155 on: July 30, 2010, 08:21:42 pm »
I'm hearing the prospects are Mark Melancon (25 yr old pitcher) and Jimmy Parades (A ball 2B).

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« Reply #156 on: July 30, 2010, 08:22:46 pm »
I completely forgot about the Little Pumas.  I don't care what we get back, but the fact they're gone makes the deal sweet enough for me.

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« Reply #157 on: July 30, 2010, 08:23:50 pm »
Is there anything you like?

What did the Little Pumas ever do to you?
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« Reply #158 on: July 30, 2010, 08:25:47 pm »
I completely forgot about the Little Pumas.  I don't care what we get back, but the fact they're gone makes the deal sweet enough for me.

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« Reply #159 on: July 30, 2010, 08:26:16 pm »
You know the Little Pumas will just form another group... The Happ-ee Faces, anyone? Wallace's Wallabies?
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« Reply #160 on: July 30, 2010, 08:26:41 pm »
I completely forgot about the Little Pumas.  I don't care what we get back, but the fact they're gone makes the deal sweet enough for me.

Actually, I've never minded them all that much, and I thought they were pretty good there: "We're Astros fans first, and Berkman fans second."
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« Reply #161 on: July 30, 2010, 08:28:17 pm »
Is there anything you like?

What did the Little Pumas ever do to you?

Jesus, I was kidding.  I haven't even bitched about these trades other than the absurd rumors flying around before they are officially announced.

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« Reply #162 on: July 30, 2010, 08:28:40 pm »
You know the Little Pumas will just form another group... The Happ-ee Faces, anyone? Wallace's Wallabies?

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« Reply #164 on: July 30, 2010, 08:30:35 pm »
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« Reply #165 on: July 30, 2010, 08:31:46 pm »
The mouth-breathing Twitter hive seems to think the Astros got ripped in this trade, since they're playing part of the salary.

Apparently there's no need to find out who the Astros got back before judging the trade.
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« Reply #166 on: July 30, 2010, 08:32:16 pm »
They are turning JAHapp-nese I really think so.
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« Reply #167 on: July 30, 2010, 08:32:37 pm »
Jesus, I was kidding. 

I wasn't. Hated them, they killed the Puma in HOU! Berkman's power disappeared the day those freakin' furries showed up at MMPUS. Guarantee that when he's away from them for a week, he will regain his strength and be the Big Puma once again...  Kryptonite to Superman = Little Pumas to Berkman.
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« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2010, 08:33:33 pm »
I wasn't. Hated them, they killed the Puma in HOU! Berkman's power disappeared the day those freakin' furries showed up at MMPUS. Guarantee that when he's away from them for a week, he will regain his strength and be the Big Puma once again...  Kryptonite to Superman = Little Pumas to Berkman.

Got the stats to back that up?
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« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2010, 08:33:53 pm »
I'm hearing the prospects are Mark Melancon (25 yr old pitcher) and Jimmy Parades (A ball 2B).
Found this 2009 Bleacher Report thing, rnking Melancon as Yanks' 5th best prospect:
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He's hardly missed a beat. His fastball remains in the low-to-mid-90s and he complements it with a power curve that ranks among the best in the organization.

Melancon began the season with Tampa and ended it in AAA, an impressive rise through the minors. All told, he got into 44 games, tossed 95 innings, allowed 69 hits, 22 walks, and fanned 89. Great numbers and even better was the fact he was healthy enough to throw 95 innings.

He has a chance to open 2009 with the Yankees and could quickly stabilize their middle relief corps. He has the potential to be the Yankees closer after Rivera retires, but Rivera has two years left on the three year contract extension he signed after the 2007 season.

edit: stats looks like he's having some control issues this year.
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« Reply #170 on: July 30, 2010, 08:34:37 pm »
Lots of info on Melancon here.  http://www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=12777

Summary: Right hander who throws mid 90s with a good 2-seamer.  Hard worker and has a good makeup.  Apparently has had some control problems with the Yanks.

Sounds like a good pick up that can help the 'pen during the rebuild.
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« Reply #171 on: July 30, 2010, 08:37:58 pm »
I hope at least one of these new Astros can flash the leather. We Need a Glove To Keep J.A. Happ-y.

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« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2010, 08:39:04 pm »
And Paredes...

http://www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=11707

Basically a super utility guy who is coming off shoulder surgery.  They say he has gold glove potential, pretty good bat, needs to work on his patience.  


And then I also heard the Astros are picking up 4 of the remaining 7 million for Berkman.

So, my extremely premature thoughts on this rumored deal are positive.  Hopefully Berkman doesn't make himself a Type B free agent.

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« Reply #173 on: July 30, 2010, 08:39:34 pm »
I'm hearing the prospects are Mark Melancon (25 yr old pitcher) and Jimmy Parades (A ball 2B).

Melancon looks like Sampson's replacement, only with a strikeout pitch ( just from the stats).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453343

Paredes: another athletic middle infielder type?
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« Reply #174 on: July 30, 2010, 08:42:53 pm »
This is all from Joel Sherman's twitter if anyone cares.

The Yankees also are getting Austin Kearns.

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« Reply #175 on: July 30, 2010, 08:52:57 pm »
I hope at least one of these new Astros can flash the leather. We Need a Glove To Keep J.A. Happ-y.

You get that new Exile on Main Street reissue? If so, what the hell's the deal with it? Are there new tracks, remastered, remixed where they used the track where Keith enunciates, what the hell's the deal?
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« Reply #176 on: July 30, 2010, 08:57:46 pm »
You get that new Exile on Main Street reissue? If so, what the hell's the deal with it? Are there new tracks, remastered, remixed where they used the track where Keith enunciates, what the hell's the deal?

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« Reply #177 on: July 30, 2010, 08:58:22 pm »
You get that new Exile on Main Street reissue? If so, what the hell's the deal with it? Are there new tracks, remastered, remixed where they used the track where Keith enunciates, what the hell's the deal?

I don't have it yet but it's next on the list. It's remastered and has 10 new tracks.

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« Reply #178 on: July 30, 2010, 09:00:23 pm »
Wait a minute: I was just about to pull the trigger on this. Is it screwed up?

Hell if I know. Get it and let me know. All I can say is that at least one good thing's come of all this activity. I've had some truly horrific songs stuck in my head lately and now I'm alternating between Happ-y and Little T&A. Nice work, Ed.
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« Reply #179 on: July 30, 2010, 09:37:24 pm »
Melancon looks like Sampson's replacement, only with a strikeout pitch ( just from the stats).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453343

Paredes: another athletic middle infielder type?
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=517370

Paredes is interesting.  Not because I think he's the shit.  But if he is one of the pickups I am curious to see where he goes and the position he plays.  The Astros have prospects at 2B, SS, and 3B in Lex.  They just picked up their SS prospect at Lancaster and have a prospect at 2B there too.  The Astros would see Paredes as better than at least one of those guys.

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« Reply #180 on: July 30, 2010, 10:36:45 pm »
So what's the word on Berkman vetoing a deal to the White Sox?  Anyone?
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« Reply #181 on: July 30, 2010, 11:01:49 pm »
So what's the word on Berkman vetoing a deal to the White Sox?  Anyone?

Dunno, but I read somewhere they had 8 interested teams and he approved 4
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« Reply #182 on: July 30, 2010, 11:04:49 pm »
Dunno, but I read somewhere they had 8 interested teams and he approved 4
I read the same.  On astros.com

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« Reply #183 on: July 30, 2010, 11:05:25 pm »
This is hilariously reminiscent of the goon who asked Jim if he'd ever seen the Express.

I take it that other guy was serious?
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« Reply #184 on: July 30, 2010, 11:10:29 pm »
So what's the word on Berkman vetoing a deal to the White Sox?  Anyone?

He said he wants to go to a team where the manager speaks English.
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« Reply #185 on: July 30, 2010, 11:34:19 pm »
He said he wants to go to a team where the manager speaks English.

So much for the Yanks deal.

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« Reply #186 on: July 31, 2010, 08:34:21 am »
Good luck to Lance.  Guess we know who this forum will be rooting for if a certain ex-pitcher not named Lidge faces off with the Puma in a NY/Philly WS. 


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« Reply #187 on: July 31, 2010, 10:38:30 am »
So what's the word on Berkman vetoing a deal to the White Sox?  Anyone?

Whitey on the MLB network just said that there was a deal involving Myers and Berkman, but Berkman said no way he was going to Chicago.

Also, Berkman took a plane to Tampa to join the Yankees this morning--as reported by Pinwheel live on MLB network.
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« Reply #188 on: July 31, 2010, 10:39:41 am »
Now MLB network says Wandy Rodriguez is being shopped.........
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« Reply #189 on: July 31, 2010, 10:54:43 am »
Now MLB network says Wandy Rodriguez is being shopped.........

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« Reply #190 on: July 31, 2010, 11:02:33 am »
"If the deal goes through as expected, they’ll pay $4 million of the remaining $7.5 million in guaranteed money on his contract, according to a person with knowledge of the deal."

"The Astros are believed to be getting two minor leaguers - righthander Mark Melanchon, 25, and infielder Jimmy Paredes, 21 - for Berkman."

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« Reply #191 on: July 31, 2010, 11:07:52 am »
Paredes is interesting.  Not because I think he's the shit.  But if he is one of the pickups I am curious to see where he goes and the position he plays.  The Astros have prospects at 2B, SS, and 3B in Lex.  They just picked up their SS prospect at Lancaster and have a prospect at 2B there too.  The Astros would see Paredes as better than at least one of those guys.

Of course that assumes he's not flipped for another player.

I think what a lot of people don't understand with these trades is that you rebuild a team by bringing in as many quality young players as possible.  Of course you hope that every player you get turns into an all-star, but if the majority 'merely' turn into solid contributors then you've got a balanced, competitive club for years.  This Larry Anderson for Bagwell idea that fans are so stuck on is not the way it works.
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« Reply #192 on: July 31, 2010, 11:10:38 am »
I think what a lot of people don't understand with these trades is that you rebuild a team by bringing in as many quality young players as possible.  Of course you hope that every player you get turns into an all-star, but if the majority 'merely' turn into solid contributors then you've got a balanced, competitive club for years. 

Exactly. Part of why it takes time is to assemble the players, part of why it takes time is to see who can play and who fits together. That's why it would be great to see as many young guys with decent upside brought into the system as possible, and then letting them play and seeing what happens.

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« Reply #193 on: July 31, 2010, 11:51:41 am »
Exactly. Part of why it takes time is to assemble the players, part of why it takes time is to see who can play and who fits together. That's why it would be great to see as many young guys with decent upside brought into the system as possible, and then letting them play and seeing what happens.

Exactly. You fill up an organization with numerous prospects at every position and then let them compete, which will make better ballplayers than simply anointing a youngster as the, for example, 2013 shortstop. He'll have not as much incentive to get better if he has no competition.
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« Reply #194 on: July 31, 2010, 01:16:23 pm »
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« Reply #195 on: July 31, 2010, 01:19:11 pm »
Just adding my 2 cents, this is a perfect scenario for both parties.  Houston can now determine if Wallace is a MLB hitter and if he can hold down 1B.  If not, they have their future LF and they can consider re-signing Berkman in the offseason.  If Wallace works out at 1B, Berkman could quite possibly land in southern Oklahoma (in other words, Dallas) and still be close to home.
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« Reply #196 on: July 31, 2010, 01:45:32 pm »
Mayo on Parades:

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The question was raised earlier of what position he'll play on the farm.  It's unlikely he'd see a lot of time as a middle infielder at Lexington, but transitioning him to the outfield could be an option. 

Mayo also gives a report on Melancon, but it's nothing that hasn't already been said.

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« Reply #198 on: July 31, 2010, 02:12:44 pm »
Fucking Wade.  Just sits pat and watches the deadline pass him by.
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Just been told Astros won't trade Wandy Rodriguez or Brett Myers. Listened to offers. Got nothing they liked


So, we're all in agreement it's almost a certainty that they will be?
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« Reply #200 on: July 31, 2010, 02:34:46 pm »
Hey, Carlos is not in the lineup today.  We can dream, can't we?

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« Reply #201 on: July 31, 2010, 02:36:09 pm »
Hey, Carlos is not in the lineup today.  We can dream, can't we?

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« Reply #202 on: July 31, 2010, 02:36:34 pm »
So, we're all in agreement it's almost a certainty that they will be?

haha that's exactly what I thought to myself after reading that.

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« Reply #203 on: July 31, 2010, 02:37:30 pm »
McTaggart's toying with us.
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« Reply #204 on: July 31, 2010, 02:39:44 pm »
OH SHIT!  Biggio isn't in the lineup either.   FUCK.

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« Reply #205 on: July 31, 2010, 02:44:17 pm »
What's the lineup going to be?  Pence third, Johnson fourth?
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« Reply #206 on: July 31, 2010, 02:44:20 pm »
OH SHIT!  Biggio isn't in the lineup either.   FUCK.

What about Bass?

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« Reply #207 on: July 31, 2010, 02:47:13 pm »
What about Bass?

Black guy already in center field.  Hello??
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Black guy already in center field.  Hello??

Billy Hatcher's back? Sweet!
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« Reply #209 on: July 31, 2010, 02:48:36 pm »
Black guy already in center field.  Hello??

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« Reply #210 on: July 31, 2010, 03:08:49 pm »
According to FooterTweet, Wade says the club is very close to wrapping up a multi-year deal with Myers.
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« Reply #211 on: July 31, 2010, 03:13:01 pm »
MLB Network was showing Puma sitting in the dugout talking to the media in Tampa with a Yanks cap and pullover on. It's just weird. But excitement seems to be abounding. Wade up next on MLBN allegedly to announce Myers will be in Houston for the forseeable future.
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« Reply #212 on: July 31, 2010, 03:14:33 pm »
Wow. Ankiel and Farnsworth to ATL for Blanco.
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MLB Network was showing Puma sitting in the dugout talking to the media in Tampa with a Yanks cap and pullover on. It's just weird. But excitement seems to be abounding. Wade up next on MLBN allegedly to announce Myers will be in Houston for the forseeable future.

Interviewing Berkman live on MLBN right now. 
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« Reply #214 on: July 31, 2010, 03:20:59 pm »
Interviewing Berkman live on MLBN right now. 

He said he'll hit 2nd to utilize his speed on the bases. Very weird seeing him with the Yankees gear on.

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Asked where he would hit--Lance said he would be hitting second to take advantage of his speed, to which everyone busted out laughing of course.  He did say that although he would hit 2nd tonight, he wouldn't be surprised if he got moved to 8th or even 9th some time this season.

Said Pettitte helped convince him to come to NY.
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« Reply #216 on: July 31, 2010, 03:23:21 pm »
Wow. Ankiel and Farnsworth to ATL for Blanco.

Lilly and Theriot to the Dodgers for Blake DeWitt + 2.
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« Reply #217 on: July 31, 2010, 03:23:39 pm »
Interviewing Berkman live on MLBN right now. 

Thanks. Suddenly Berkman and Rice are legitimate.

Wood is a Yankee now? It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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« Reply #218 on: July 31, 2010, 03:25:01 pm »
Thanks. Suddenly Berkman and Rice are legitimate.

Wood is a Yankee now? It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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« Reply #219 on: July 31, 2010, 03:25:17 pm »
Hey, Carlos is not in the lineup today.  We can dream, can't we?

Perhaps a sign of things to come...
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« Reply #220 on: July 31, 2010, 03:25:43 pm »
Lilly and Theriot to the Dodgers for Blake DeWitt + 2.

Smacks of Cabrera.

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« Reply #221 on: July 31, 2010, 03:28:56 pm »
Smacks of Cabrera.


Oh, Fine. Ron Brand, thy middle name is Cabrera.

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Oh, Fine. Ron Brand, thy middle name is Cabrera.

Kerry Wood to the Yankees...anyone got that one yet?

How about Ruth to the Yankees?....that's gotta be breaking news.
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Oh, Fine. Ron Brand, thy middle name is Cabrera.

Kerry Wood to the Yankees...anyone got that one yet?
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« Reply #224 on: July 31, 2010, 03:37:27 pm »
MLB Network was showing Puma sitting in the dugout talking to the media in Tampa with a Yanks cap and pullover on. It's just weird. But excitement seems to be abounding.

Just please tell me he didn't do the; "I've always wanted to be a Yankee" thing.

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Just please tell me he didn't do the; "I've always wanted to be a Yankee" thing.

No. He did not.  He did talk about how hard it was to leave Houston. 
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« Reply #226 on: July 31, 2010, 03:46:11 pm »
That's good.
New Yankees tend to act as 'Stepford Ballplayers', getting a glazed look in their eyes as they monotone phrases like;
"I've always wanted to be a Yankee", or; "There's no place else you'd rather play", etc., before going into weepy stories about how their dad worshipped Mickey Mantle.

Fortunately I think that applies mostly to off-season FA pickups where the club has time to put them through the proper orientation and install new memory chips in their brains prior to the introductory press conference.

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« Reply #227 on: July 31, 2010, 03:57:50 pm »
MLBN pointing out Girardi caught Wood from 2000-02 with the Cubs.

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« Reply #228 on: July 31, 2010, 03:58:34 pm »
That's good.
New Yankees tend to act as 'Stepford Ballplayers', getting a glazed look in their eyes as they monotone phrases like;
"I've always wanted to be a Yankee", or; "There's no place else you'd rather play", etc., before going into weepy stories about how their dad worshipped Mickey Mantle.

Fortunately I think that applies mostly to off-season FA pickups where the club has time to put them through the proper orientation and install new memory chips in their brains prior to the introductory press conference.

In Berkman's defense, wasn't his dad really in to Mickey Mantle?  I think that's why he's a switch hitter.
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« Reply #229 on: July 31, 2010, 04:00:16 pm »
If Lance's numbers don't pick up much over the next two months, we'll get the inevitable "He couldn't handle the media scrutiny!"

It's always fascinated me that when a free agent or big trade pickup fails to meet expectations anywhere but NY or Boston, there will be lots of discussion about why.  But if that happens in one of those two cities, it's simply considered a fact that "they couldn't handle the media".
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« Reply #230 on: July 31, 2010, 04:05:53 pm »
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« Reply #232 on: July 31, 2010, 04:22:05 pm »
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« Reply #233 on: July 31, 2010, 07:02:04 pm »
In Berkman's defense, wasn't his dad really in to Mickey Mantle?  I think that's why he's a switch hitter.

I've not heard that but it's certainly possible, as I'm sure it is for a number of others who had baseball fathers who came of age in mid-century America.
It's just that when the seemingly endless parade of NYY FAs go beyond the usual "it's not about the money" platitudes and spout the same near-identical lines each winter with full hostage-tape sincerity you begin to wonder whether there's a script they're forced to memorize before the dump truck with all the money get the orders to deliver.

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« Reply #234 on: July 31, 2010, 07:07:00 pm »
I've not heard that but it's certainly possible, as I'm sure it is for a number of others who had baseball fathers who came of age in mid-century America.
It's just that when the seemingly endless parade of NYY FAs go beyond the usual "it's not about the money" platitudes and spout the same near-identical lines each winter with full hostage-tape sincerity you begin to wonder whether there's a script they're forced to memorize before the dump truck with all the money get the orders to deliver.

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« Reply #235 on: July 31, 2010, 07:46:09 pm »
i fucking hated Mickey Mantle. i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan.

He opened a Mickey Mantle's Kountry Kitchen or whatever in Austin in the 60s or very early 70s, I think, and was supposed to appear at the Grand Opening. Hundreds of people showed up, it was a hugely promoted thing. My dad took us all to the restaurant to see him and we waited for a couple of hours and he never showed up. I remember my dad being furious and taking us somewhere else. I don't think he was a big Mantle fan, I don't remember him talking about him at all but if he had been, that level of pissed off on that day would've put an end to it.
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« Reply #236 on: July 31, 2010, 07:59:00 pm »
I've not heard that but it's certainly possible, as I'm sure it is for a number of others who had baseball fathers who came of age in mid-century America.

Yes, that's the story. Lance's father was a huge Mickey Mantle fan and groomed Lance to be a switch hitter specifically because of his admiration for the Mick.
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« Reply #237 on: July 31, 2010, 08:02:14 pm »
In Berkman's defense, wasn't his dad really in to Mickey Mantle?  I think that's why he's a switch hitter.

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« Reply #238 on: July 31, 2010, 08:44:20 pm »
i fucking hated Mickey Mantle. i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan.

You and my dad both - hence me being born a Met fan instead of a Yanqui fan.

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« Reply #239 on: July 31, 2010, 08:58:48 pm »
You and my dad both - hence me being born a Met fan instead of a Yanqui fan.

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i fucking hated Mickey Mantle. i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan.

My dad's nickname was "Mickey" because his middle name was Miguel and he was a baseball player.  He loved watching Mantle, he even named my brother after him.  My name?  I don't think there was ever a Mexican baseball pro or anyone in the majors named "Noe", so I'm thinking I was named after a tour-de-France bike rider somewhere or another (my dad's other favorite sport that he was good at).

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« Reply #241 on: August 01, 2010, 12:48:44 am »
No. He did not.  He did talk about how hard it was to leave Houston. 

What Lance says doesn't matter.

In the least surprising turn of events since the internet learned Greg Oden has a large penis, ESPN tells the world that Berkman's Bronx wish has finally been granted.


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« Reply #243 on: August 01, 2010, 06:41:59 am »
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« Reply #244 on: August 01, 2010, 06:52:25 am »
I wish Berkman well but there's no way in hell I'm rooting for another Yankees championship.
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« Reply #245 on: August 01, 2010, 08:36:03 am »
I wish Berkman well but there's no way in hell I'm rooting for another Yankees championship.

Exactly. I hope Lance rakes, but I will be fine with the Yanks not even making the playoffs.
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« Reply #246 on: August 01, 2010, 09:16:18 am »
What Lance says doesn't matter.

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« Reply #247 on: August 01, 2010, 09:20:02 am »
Exactly. I hope Lance rakes, but I will be fine with the Yanks not even making the playoffs.

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« Reply #248 on: August 01, 2010, 09:26:37 am »
Lance was raking leaves last night.

Those were pretty ugly AB's, but in all fairness to Lance, Garza makes lots of really good hitters look badly.
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« Reply #249 on: August 01, 2010, 10:14:27 am »
In the least surprising turn of events since the internet learned Greg Oden has a large penis, ESPN tells the world that Berkman's Bronx wish has finally been granted.

Tweeted Footer about it and asked if there was any truth to the claim. Her reply:

goodness no. In '09 he said he would go there if the astros wanted to trade him but it was a pointless interview given Teixeira had just signed on for like six years.

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« Reply #250 on: August 02, 2010, 09:51:20 am »
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« Reply #251 on: August 02, 2010, 06:48:10 pm »
Lance just struck out in less than 15 seconds in his first Yankee Stadium at bat. 

The Yankee fans barely cheered (I guess at least they didn't boo) when he was announced.

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« Reply #252 on: August 02, 2010, 06:53:56 pm »
Lance just struck out in less than 15 seconds in his first Yankee Stadium at bat. 

The Yankee fans barely cheered (I guess at least they didn't boo) when he was announced.

fucking depressing.

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« Reply #253 on: August 02, 2010, 07:08:27 pm »
fucking depressing.

Sarcasm?

I was hoping he'd jack one.

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« Reply #254 on: August 02, 2010, 07:21:23 pm »
Sarcasm?

I was hoping he'd jack one.

"depressing" is the talk to come.

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"depressing" is the talk to come.

Park inflated numbers (like that Baggwel guy)
Has never had to play in pressure
Small town numbers dont translate to NY
etc.

Too late.   The yahoos on YES (Kay and Leiter tonight, who I have to admit, I do like just fine) spent 5 minutes listening to the field guy tell the story about Lance learning to bat switch because his father was Czechoslovakian and didn't know any English, realized the only way to make any money was to sell his only son's liver and fattened him up with heavy German foods.   

Then they went immediately into the "never had to play in pressure" bullshit and how much easier it is to hit in the Yankees lineup and then I kind of threw up or something and muted it.

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« Reply #256 on: August 02, 2010, 07:40:51 pm »
Too late.   The yahoos on YES (Kay and Leiter tonight, who I have to admit, I do like just fine) spent 5 minutes listening to the field guy tell the story about Lance learning to bat switch because his father was Czechoslovakian and didn't know any English, realized the only way to make any money was to sell his only son's liver and fattened him up with heavy German foods.   

Then they went immediately into the "never had to play in pressure" bullshit and how much easier it is to hit in the Yankees lineup and then I kind of threw up or something and muted it.

Fuck them. 

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« Reply #257 on: August 02, 2010, 07:43:14 pm »
Fuck them. 

Didn't that go without saying?

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« Reply #258 on: August 02, 2010, 07:47:30 pm »
Remember the time he ruined Carpenter? That was easy because there was no pressure.
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« Reply #259 on: August 02, 2010, 07:50:10 pm »
Remember the time he ruined Carpenter? That was easy because there was no pressure.

There wasn't.   If I remember, the nation was glued to the Yanks/Sox game going on at the same time.

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Remember the time he ruined Carpenter? That was easy because there was no pressure.

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« Reply #261 on: August 02, 2010, 08:01:43 pm »
There wasn't.   If I remember, the nation was glued to the Yanks/Sox game going on at the same time.

It must've ended before Poo-holes bomb.


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« Reply #262 on: August 02, 2010, 08:17:19 pm »
It must've ended before Poo-holes bomb.

No, if I remember, that even only got press when Gammons saw it on SportsCenter the next morning.

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« Reply #263 on: August 02, 2010, 08:22:02 pm »
No, if I remember, that even only got press when Gammons saw it on SportsCenter the next morning.

I had forgotten about it until I went to look at Lance's bomb. Pretty meaningless homerun I guess.
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« Reply #264 on: August 02, 2010, 08:22:19 pm »
It must've ended before Poo-holes bomb.

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« Reply #265 on: August 02, 2010, 09:38:24 pm »
Lance just struck out in less than 15 seconds in his first Yankee Stadium at bat. 

The Yankee fans barely cheered (I guess at least they didn't boo) when he was announced.

You gotta remember that in addition to Yanqui fans barely acknowledging the existence of the NL, they mostly treat regular season games as a waste of time formality unless they're playing Boston, are pissed off that they actually have to stoop to worrying about Tampa Fucking Bay, and only know the other teams' stars so as to know who to covet in the upcoming winter.
In short, if it wasn't for the fact that both Clemens & Pettitte ricocheted back and forth from the Astros, most Bronx fans would be only vaguely aware that there's even baseball in the city of Houston much less about the individuals on the team.
So they're not booing Berkman because, well, because for the most part they have only a passing familiarity with him.

And, yes, NY fans in general and NYY fans in particular buy heavily into the notion (fueled also by the media) that whatever one accomplished elsewhere is meaningless as to how it applies in NYC.  IOW: he may be on the Yankees but he's not yet a Yankee.

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« Reply #266 on: August 02, 2010, 09:44:52 pm »
IOW: he may be on the Yankees but he's not yet a Yankee.

I can get behind this.
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« Reply #267 on: August 02, 2010, 10:26:31 pm »
You gotta remember that in addition to Yanqui fans barely acknowledging the existence of the NL, they mostly treat regular season games as a waste of time formality unless they're playing Boston, are pissed off that they actually have to stoop to worrying about Tampa Fucking Bay, and only know the other teams' stars so as to know who to covet in the upcoming winter.
In short, if it wasn't for the fact that both Clemens & Pettitte ricocheted back and forth from the Astros, most Bronx fans would be only vaguely aware that there's even baseball in the city of Houston much less about the individuals on the team.
So they're not booing Berkman because, well, because for the most part they have only a passing familiarity with him.

And, yes, NY fans in general and NYY fans in particular buy heavily into the notion (fueled also by the media) that whatever one accomplished elsewhere is meaningless as to how it applies in NYC.  IOW: he may be on the Yankees but he's not yet a Yankee.

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« Reply #268 on: August 02, 2010, 11:45:19 pm »
In short, if it wasn't for the fact that both Clemens & Pettitte ricocheted back and forth from the Astros, most Bronx fans would be only vaguely aware that there's even baseball in the city of Houston much less about the individuals on the team.

Someone needs to remind them about the MLB record for most pitchers used in a no-hitter and where it happened.
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« Reply #269 on: August 03, 2010, 08:30:56 am »
Someone needs to remind them about the MLB record for most pitchers used in a no-hitter and where it happened.

See: Regular season; meaningless (above)
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« Reply #270 on: August 03, 2010, 08:56:54 am »
See: Regular season; meaningless (above)


This is an interesting notion.  So, in the years where the Yanks didn't make the playoffs, did those seasons simply never occur?  I can see this taking a "Lost" direction very quickly.  This is awesome.  Would this make Jeter the Jack character?  Or would that be A-Rod?  Personally, I think A-Rod is James/Sawyer.  Ohh... yeah, I take it back, Pettitte is Jack, as he left AND then came back!  Oh ho!  Leaving Jeter to play the Locke role.   Out of respect for Berkman, I think we have to make him Mr. Eko or maybe Hurley. 
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« Reply #271 on: August 03, 2010, 08:58:59 am »
This is an interesting notion.  So, in the years where the Yanks didn't make the playoffs, did those seasons simply never occur?  I can see this taking a "Lost" direction very quickly.  This is awesome.  Would this make Jeter the Jack character?  Or would that be A-Rod?  Personally, I think A-Rod is James/Sawyer.  Ohh... yeah, I take it back, Pettitte is Jack, as he left AND then came back!  Oh ho!  Leaving Jeter to play the Locke role.   Out of respect for Berkman, I think we have to make him Mr. Eko or maybe Hurley. 

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« Reply #273 on: August 03, 2010, 10:39:23 am »
Somebody has to be Kate.  Might as well be A-Rod.
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« Reply #274 on: August 03, 2010, 10:45:42 am »
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« Reply #275 on: August 03, 2010, 10:54:30 am »
Somebody has to be Kate.  Might as well be A-Rod.


I must confess some confusion.  Are you implying Kate is annoying or that A-Rod is hot (nttawwt)?
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« Reply #276 on: August 03, 2010, 11:12:46 am »
I must confess some confusion.  Are you implying Kate is annoying or that A-Rod is hot (nttawwt)?

Neither: he's implying A-Rod is a pussy.
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Neither: he's implying A-Rod is a pussy.

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« Reply #278 on: August 03, 2010, 01:57:01 pm »
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« Reply #279 on: August 03, 2010, 02:14:04 pm »
At least you tried.

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