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Roy heading to Mississippi
« on: April 24, 2010, 03:43:08 pm »
Per McTaggart and Footer tweets:

McTaggart: Oswalt has left to drive to Mississippi where his parents' house was destroyed by tornado, according to the team. No injuries, team said

Footer: Mills said Roy came to him earlier today and said his parents' house was "flattened" by tornado. They've lived there 40 years. Roy drove home and will be given all the time he needs. With the off day Mon., he'll likely make next start Thursday.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 08:48:55 am »
Yes, Mississippi, Alabama and Tenessee had a very rough day yesterday.  Supercells produced many tornadoes with one on the ground for almost 200mi and over two hours.

http://www.wapt.com/video/4906971/index.html
http://www.wcbi.com/

It was probably an EF4 or EF5 at this point:

(http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=195748)
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 05:25:35 pm »
A couple of stories about the tornadoes that hit the home with Jean Oswalt inside. LINK; NYT LINK.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 09:59:52 am »
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 11:09:57 am »
A couple of stories about the tornadoes that hit the home with Jean Oswalt inside. LINK; NYT LINK.

Very scary.  Amazing survival story.

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 09:18:58 pm »
It was probably an EF4 or EF5 at this point

People don't often ride out EF4/EF5 tornadoes and survive, am I correct?  I always assumed that an EF5 was certain death, with your chances of surviving an EF4 only slightly better.

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 09:25:53 pm »
People don't often ride out EF4/EF5 tornadoes and survive, am I correct?  I always assumed that an EF5 was certain death, with your chances of surviving an EF4 only slightly better.

I watched a documentary on The Weather Channel about an F5 that went through a city near Hillsboro I think. They interviewed a couple of survivors, mom and daughter. Right before the tornado hit, they were down in an interior bath tub with dad laying on top of them. After the tornado passed, they were both up in a tree in the front yard. Dad didn't make it.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 11:31:28 pm »
Come on, Bill Paxton taught us all that we just need to find a sturdy pipe in the ground and hold on tight.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 06:01:27 am »
Come on, Bill Paxton taught us all that we just need to find a sturdy pipe in the ground and hold on tight.

Bill Paxton has apparently taught us a lot of things.

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2010, 06:15:29 am »
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 08:43:51 am »
Bill Paxton has apparently taught us a lot of things.

That Chloe Sevingy still looks like a goblin whether she's naked or wearing a Mormon habit?
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 09:34:13 am »
Bill Paxton has apparently taught us a lot of things.

The Wife 1, 2 and 3 ball lock is classic.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2010, 09:35:57 am »
That Chloe Sevingy still looks like a goblin whether she's naked or wearing a Mormon habit?

Thank you.  I really thought I was the only one who thought so.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 10:50:06 am »
Thank you.  I really thought I was the only one who thought so.

You're not alone.  Maggie Gyllenhall wakes up in the morning and thanks her hippie parents that she looks normal by comparison.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2010, 10:54:03 am »
You're not alone.  Maggie Gyllenhall wakes up in the morning and thanks her hippie parents that she looks normal by comparison.

I thought they were just two different kinds of goblin.  One no less gobliny than the other.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 10:56:39 am »
I thought they were just two different kinds of goblin.  One no less gobliny than the other.

After you watch The Dark Knight a couple of times, you realise that you wish The Joker had killed her off a lot sooner.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 10:59:22 am »
You're not alone.  Maggie Gyllenhall wakes up in the morning and thanks her hippie parents that she looks normal by comparison.

I thought they were just two different kinds of goblin.  One no less gobliny than the other.

After you watch The Dark Knight a couple of times, you realise that you wish The Joker had killed her off a lot sooner.


Oh, hush. You'd all hit it.

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 11:03:15 am »

Oh, hush. You'd all hit it.

Somebody's a "Secretary" fan.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 11:32:59 am »
After you watch The Dark Knight a couple of times, you realise that you wish The Joker had killed her off a lot sooner.

You are a glutton for punishment.  It only took me 1 time to wish that.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2010, 11:33:27 am »
Somebody's a "Secretary" fan.

Honestly.  Yes.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2010, 11:36:10 am »
After you watch The Dark Knight a couple of times, you realise that you wish The Joker had killed her off a lot sooner.

How much different would it have been if Katie Holmes hadn't gotten brainwashed after the first film?
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2010, 11:41:01 am »
Somebody's a "Secretary" fan.

Mags in "Secretary" is a possibility, but not really in anything else.  This is a topic on which I often find myself musing: in which movie is an actress at her most sexy?  Here's some obvious ones:

Jennifer Connelly:  The Hot Spot (with Career Opportunities running a close second, but the additional eyebrow grooming clinches it)
Sandra Bullock: A Time to Kill (hands down)
jennifer Aniston: Along Came Polly (but she doesn't vary that much, except when she porked out prior to Picture Perfect).
Angelina Jolie: Original Sin (but see comment above)
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2010, 11:45:16 am »

Oh, hush. You'd all hit it.

Nope.  I am surrounded by hot chicks everyday, all day.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 11:47:43 am »
Nope.  I am surrounded by hot chicks everyday, all day.

Mrs. MM is way out of my league, and more than enough for my reality.  This does not preclude, however, commentary on the relative merits of various ridiculously attractive women (see Limey's last post), a category which Maggie does not fall into.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2010, 03:59:39 pm »
People don't often ride out EF4/EF5 tornadoes and survive, am I correct?  I always assumed that an EF5 was certain death, with your chances of surviving an EF4 only slightly better.

This is correct.  EF5 will  usually plow a trench 5' into the ground and puree anything in a basement.  EF4 will scrub the ground clean.  That storm relative velocity radar shot was about 70 miles WSW of Wier, MS.  The tornado had (luckily) weakened considerably by the time it went through Wier.  PM me if you want a link to read the blow-by-blow in a forum from spotters, chasers and meteorologists while it happened.  You'd learn more for the 10 minute read than from a 2 hour special on Discovery...

I am very glad Oswalts mom and family were fine.  It was a tough, gut wrenching day and I don't even do operational meteorology.  I can't imagine what it was like for the op mets there in MS and Alabama.
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2010, 04:12:33 pm »
This is correct.  EF5 will  usually plow a trench 5' into the ground and puree anything in a basement.  EF4 will scrub the ground clean.  That storm relative velocity radar shot was about 70 miles WSW of Wier, MS.  The tornado had (luckily) weakened considerably by the time it went through Wier.  PM me if you want a link to read the blow-by-blow in a forum from spotters, chasers and meteorologists while it happened.  You'd learn more for the 10 minute read than from a 2 hour special on Discovery...

I am very glad Oswalts mom and family were fine.  It was a tough, gut wrenching day and I don't even do operational meteorology.  I can't imagine what it was like for the op mets there in MS and Alabama.
Was the Jarrell tornado (north of Austin) in the '90s a 4 or 5?  I recall that it scraped the pavement off roads but not anything about digging.  One serious storm, anyway--I happened to be driving south back to Austin on I-35 and saw what looked like black hell in my rear view mirror--I have seen bad looking skies before but never that.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2010, 05:05:18 pm »
Was the Jarrell tornado (north of Austin) in the '90s a 4 or 5?  I recall that it scraped the pavement off roads but not anything about digging.  One serious storm, anyway--I happened to be driving south back to Austin on I-35 and saw what looked like black hell in my rear view mirror--I have seen bad looking skies before but never that.

Definitely F5.  I remember that day vividly.. was 17, on the first day of my very first ever job as an office gopher downtown.  Looked north out the 11th floor window around 3pm and saw the same wall of black.  At that point, just about everyone in the firm high-tailed it for home.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2010, 05:16:46 pm »
Definitely F5.  I remember that day vividly.. was 17, on the first day of my very first ever job as an office gopher downtown.  Looked north out the 11th floor window around 3pm and saw the same wall of black.  At that point, just about everyone in the firm high-tailed it for home.

I remember that day vividly too.  Was just south of the arboretum on 360.  I've never seen the sky that color before or since.  Young, naive and new to Austin my initial thought was "just another thunderstorm... but, is that color sky normal here?"  Our receptionist was so scared she was crying, making it quickly obvious that it was not, in fact, normal.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2010, 05:42:43 pm »
I remember that day vividly too.  Was just south of the arboretum on 360.  I've never seen the sky that color before or since.  Young, naive and new to Austin my initial thought was "just another thunderstorm... but, is that color sky normal here?"  Our receptionist was so scared she was crying, making it quickly obvious that it was not, in fact, normal.

My wife was out on 183 with our two daughters when the eldest (maybe 8? at the time) asked "Mommy, what does a tornado look like?" My wife gave her an answer, and then my daughter asked "Like that?" She was looking at the funnel that nailed the HEB (or was it Albertson's?) in Cedar Park.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2010, 01:13:30 pm »
Definitely F5

Quote from: the wiki link remy put up
When the tornado crossed county roads outside Jarrell, it ripped 500 feet (150m) of asphalt off the roads.

That's the thing I remember - the power to pull asphalt off the road in seconds is outside my comprehension.

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2010, 02:23:50 pm »
My wife was out on 183 with our two daughters when the eldest (maybe 8? at the time) asked "Mommy, what does a tornado look like?" My wife gave her an answer, and then my daughter asked "Like that?" She was looking at the funnel that nailed the HEB (or was it Albertson's?) in Cedar Park.

That's awesome and funny and scary as shit all rolled into one.  It was Albertsons, btw.

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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2010, 08:44:44 am »
Was the Jarrell tornado (north of Austin) in the '90s a 4 or 5?  I recall that it scraped the pavement off roads but not anything about digging.  One serious storm, anyway--I happened to be driving south back to Austin on I-35 and saw what looked like black hell in my rear view mirror--I have seen bad looking skies before but never that.

Indeed it was.  Very rare.  Rare also is that it formed off of a gravity wave off of a mesoscale convective complex.  Even more rare is that it moved southwest.  Odd, deadly storm.

Here's the NOAA/NWS post-storm assessment:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/assessments/pdfs/jarrell.pdf

Initial assessment for the Mississippi tornado last weekend is that the track was 211 miles long, that the vortex was on the ground for 2h30m and that it maxed out at an EF4 around 70mi. WSW of Wier, MS.
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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2010, 09:05:17 am »
Definitely F5.  I remember that day vividly.. was 17, on the first day of my very first ever job as an office gopher downtown.  Looked north out the 11th floor window around 3pm and saw the same wall of black.  At that point, just about everyone in the firm high-tailed it for home.

When I was younger I studied weather a lot.  The Statesman's front page photo the next day an the aerial shot of Jarrell similar to the one at the beginning of the NOAA PDF.  Classic F5.

The thing I remember about that day was that all the phone lines were jammed.  We tried calling my dad at work to make sure they knew it was coming, but couldn't get through until about an hour after the storm passed over Austin.


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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2010, 09:10:41 am »
Indeed it was.  Very rare.  Rare also is that it formed off of a gravity wave off of a mesoscale convective complex.  Even more rare is that it moved southwest.  Odd, deadly storm.

Here's the NOAA/NWS post-storm assessment:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/assessments/pdfs/jarrell.pdf

Initial assessment for the Mississippi tornado last weekend is that the track was 211 miles long, that the vortex was on the ground for 2h30m and that it maxed out at an EF4 around 70mi. WSW of Wier, MS.
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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2010, 09:26:12 am »
When I was younger I studied weather a lot.  The Statesman's front page photo the next day an the aerial shot of Jarrell similar to the one at the beginning of the NOAA PDF.  Classic F5.

The thing I remember about that day was that all the phone lines were jammed.  We tried calling my dad at work to make sure they knew it was coming, but couldn't get through until about an hour after the storm passed over Austin.



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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2010, 09:44:34 am »
Did you drop your fork when someone asked what an F5 was?

Did you respond, "The Finger of God"?

No, he was telling someone what "The Extreme" meant.
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2010, 10:03:23 am »
I hope to be not even in the same state as an F5 again.  It's Yahweh with a grenade launcher exclaiming, "Say hello to my little friend!"
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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2010, 10:09:26 am »
It's Yahweh with a grenade launcher exclaiming, "Say hello to my little friend!"

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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2010, 10:18:30 am »
Here's the NOAA/NWS post-storm assessment:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/assessments/pdfs/jarrell.pdf

Thanks for the link.  That was fascinating.  Interesting takeaways:  

The tornadoes formed in an atypical environment for CenTex tornadoes.  Low wind sheer, etc

CenTex media did not want to use the auto-on feature for weather warnings because they thought our weather was so unpredictable it would create too many warnings and interrupt their programming.  As a result, they were some 20-30 minutes behind on issuing warnings.

Numerous situations where no power backup was in place for critical monitoring/reporting stations

Jerral created a dangerous "mixed message" in the aftermath as only those that fled survived, whereas that was the least safe thing to do

I remember that Albertsons employee getting a lot of praise and it was clearly due.  What's scary is he acted based off of his experience with a deadly tornado in '79.  Had he not seen how others died trying to flee it, he probably wouldn't have pulled so many leaving customers back inside.  My guess is that many still do not know better.
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2010, 10:24:45 am »
Other things:
Over 10,000 tornados in the last 10 years but only 6 were F5s.

If an F5 decides to move directly to your position, kiss your ass goodbye.
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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2010, 10:32:05 am »
Other things:
Over 10,000 tornados in the last 10 years but only 6 were F5s.

So, you're saying we're due?
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2010, 10:56:27 am »
Thanks for the link.  That was fascinating.  Interesting takeaways:  

Also of interest to me:

- NWS was in the process of scaling back the weather office staffs in DFW and Austin.
- The NWS training course for the radar had been cancelled and no replacement course was offered yet.  Thus, the radar operators in Austin at the time were not fully trained.
- A leading-edge satellite technology could've helped in the identification and tracking of the tornadoes, but it was not made available to the Austin forecast office.

Even considering all of the apparent mishaps (if you could call them such), I would say the NWS still does a remarkably good job with watches/warnings.  If you exclude Jarrell, there were 19 tornadoes and only two directly related deaths.  With the Jarrell tornado, what can you do against an F5?  People followed precautions and died anyway.  

Over 10,000 tornados in the last 10 years but only 6 were F5s.

Furthermore, only one other F5 developed under the same unusual meteorological conditions that produced the Jarrell F5.

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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2010, 11:06:42 am »
Can somebody explain what a gravity wave is? I suspect that it's a mass of air that "falls off" an area of upward convection and radiates out, but that's just a guess.
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2010, 11:32:51 am »
Can somebody explain what a gravity wave is? I suspect that it's a mass of air that "falls off" an area of upward convection and radiates out, but that's just a guess.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gravity+wave

Joking aside, atmospheric gravity waves form when buoyancy pushes air up, and gravity pulls it back down in a relatively stable environment.  Here's a short primer from NWS:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/media/hun/Gravity_Waves_Primer_and_Overview.pdf

Here's some in action from above:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/date/2008/10/page/2

Here's one in action from below (very cool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXnkzeCU3bE

AMS Journal of remote sensing of mesoscale gravity waves (pretty dry read...):
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0493%282000%29128%3C2423%3ATLCOAM%3E2.0.CO%3B2
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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2010, 11:39:37 am »
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Re: Roy heading to Mississippi
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2010, 11:40:18 am »
Also of interest to me:
- NWS was in the process of scaling back the weather office staffs in DFW and Austin.
- The NWS training course for the radar had been cancelled and no replacement course was offered yet.  Thus, the radar operators in Austin at the time were not fully trained.
- A leading-edge satellite technology could've helped in the identification and tracking of the tornadoes, but it was not made available to the Austin forecast office.

Even considering all of the apparent mishaps (if you could call them such), I would say the NWS still does a remarkably good job with watches/warnings.  If you exclude Jarrell, there were 19 tornadoes and only two directly related deaths.  With the Jarrell tornado, what can you do against an F5?  People followed precautions and died anyway.  

Furthermore, only one other F5 developed under the same unusual meteorological conditions that produced the Jarrell F5.

Our friends at NWS are in a very different place here in 2010 than they were in 1997, that much is sure.  There were a series of high profile public-impact events where loss of life and property could be directly attributed to weather forecast office staff reductions and reduced infrastructure funding.  Throughout the last decade, Congress has done an excellent job funding and NOAA has done an excellent staffing and implementing systems and people to vastly improve forcasting and public safety decision processing and notification.
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Re: Roy heading to Mississippi
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2010, 11:45:16 am »
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gravity+wave

Joking aside, atmospheric gravity waves form when buoyancy pushes air up, and gravity pulls it back down in a relatively stable environment.  Here's a short primer from NWS:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/media/hun/Gravity_Waves_Primer_and_Overview.pdf

Here's some in action from above:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/date/2008/10/page/2

Here's one in action from below (very cool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXnkzeCU3bE

AMS Journal of remote sensing of mesoscale gravity waves (pretty dry read...):
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0493%282000%29128%3C2423%3ATLCOAM%3E2.0.CO%3B2

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Re: Roy heading to Mississippi
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2010, 11:46:32 am »
Can somebody explain what a gravity wave is?

Somehow I expected more Carlos Lee bashing to follow this question almost immediately!

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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2010, 11:52:22 am »
I remember that day vividly too.  Was just south of the arboretum on 360.  I've never seen the sky that color before or since.  Young, naive and new to Austin my initial thought was "just another thunderstorm... but, is that color sky normal here?"  Our receptionist was so scared she was crying, making it quickly obvious that it was not, in fact, normal.

I was at UT then, and had some time that day to go get some ballcap that I'd been searching for. I think it was a fitted .45s lid, but I can't remember for sure – I just remember that I finally found one in Pflugerville, and I saw no problem with heading up that way to get it. After all, what's a little rain? By the time I finally made it up there, the weather was absolutely fucking hellacious, and the shop owner I had talked to on the phone was long gone.

So naturally, I decided to head over to Lakeline mall instead, because I'd heard there was a good store there, and because I am a fucking idiot. Fortunately, one of my roommates (now my wife) was kind enough to tag along and point out that I'm a fucking idiot, and managed to get me pointed back towards campus.

That sky was absolutely ridiculous, and I still can't figure out what the hell I was doing driving around through sideways rain and wildly swinging traffic lights... desperately searching for a hat, of all things.
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Re: Roy heading to Mississippi
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2010, 11:54:01 am »
Somehow I expected more Carlos Lee bashing to follow this question almost immediately!

I held back...after deleting 5 different responses.
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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2010, 01:10:50 pm »
That sky was absolutely ridiculous

I see now that people refer to a "green" sky as a tornado warning, and I guess that was the predominant color, but I remember it looking like pea and tomato soup swirled together with maybe crumbled blue cheese for texture.  It was seriously fucked up. There seemed nothing "rational" about it, with my mind scrambling to find something to associate it with for comprehension.
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