Author Topic: Astros v. Brewers and Hernia Hell, 8/9 (Read 4263 times)

Ron Brand · « **on:** August 09, 2009, 01:15:22 pm »

MIL
Lopez, 2b
Cameron, CF
Penis Nose, LF
Fat Vegan, 1b
McGehee, 3b
Hall, RF
Hardy, SS
Kendall, C
Gallardo, P

HOU
Bourn, CF
Matsui, 2b
Tejada, SS
Lee, LF
Blum, 3b
Michaels, RF
Erstad, 1b
Quintero, C
Rodriguez, P

SaltyParker · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:15:58 pm »

Good to see Wandy back.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:16:50 pm »

And Bourn. And good to see PENCE!!! taking a break.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:23:54 pm »

JD opining that the strike zone is tight and praising Wandy for working through it to get a crucial double play by The Peen in the first. According to Astros.com, Oswalt threw 40 pitches in the pen and feels good, ready to start Tuesday.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:24:43 pm »

Bourn with a fine catch in deep LCF, had to run a long way and showed no signs of leg problems in getting to the ball.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:28:30 pm »

Hardy reaches when a strike 3 curveball eludes Q and Hardy runs it out. Kendall is plunked on the forearm and there's 2 on, 2 out in the top of the 2nd. 2-0 count. Deuces wild!

Ron Brand · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:29:24 pm »

Gallardo walks. Bases loaded, two out. 0-0. So far.

Dewey out to the mound.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:30:01 pm »

Anybody else in here? Am I just providing text for everybody watching tv?

SaltyParker · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:31:12 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 01:23:54 pm

According to Astros.com, Oswalt threw 40 pitches in the pen and feels good, ready to start Tuesday.

Hampton on the DL, then we will be in business

SaltyParker · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:31:41 pm »

TV here

Ron Brand · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:31:55 pm »

Blum grabs a scorched one-hopper to his right and throws to 1B for the out. Good Guys coming up, still no score in the 2nd.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:33:07 pm »

Quote from: SaltyParker on August 09, 2009, 01:31:41 pm

TV here

I'll shut up for a while then.

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:33:21 pm »

Blum the Brewers!

Ron Brand · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:35:55 pm »

Is Blum the reincarnation of The Great Bill Spiers?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:36:48 pm »

Wow, Michaels rockets a double to LF!

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #15 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:37:27 pm »

Yahoo! Michaels whacks a double to move Blum to 3rd. 1 out, Erstad up.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #16 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:38:04 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 01:36:48 pm

Wow, Michaels rockets a double to LF!

I hope that he can stay hot awhile.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #17 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:40:47 pm »

Same damn song, different verse. Erstad Ks on high cheese and Q grounds out to SS, stranding two. 0-0 after 2.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #18 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:41:06 pm »

The Astros defy the odds,

Ron Brand · « **Reply #19 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:42:29 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:41:06 pm

The Astros defy the odds,

Probably consistently in the last 3-7 skid.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #20 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:45:53 pm »

Oh oh

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #21 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:48:42 pm »

Fuck, I can't get comfortable. Friday I had hernia surgery. Fell and busted up my knee on my stairs soon after returning home from the surgery. The knee is very swollen and my abdomen is on fire. Last night in my sleep I pulled a muscle in my back and it's in spasms. The pain killers seem to have no effect.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #22 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:50:18 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:48:42 pm

Fuck, I can't get comfortable. Friday I had hernia surgery. Fell and busted up my knee on my stairs soon after returning home from the surgery. The knee is very swollen and my abdomen is on fire. Last night in my sleep I pulled a muscle in my back and it's in spasms. The pain killers seem to have no effect.

Is that a quote from Mike Hampton?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #23 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:51:06 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:48:42 pm

Fuck, I can't get comfortable. Friday I had hernia surgery. Fell and busted up my knee on my stairs soon after returning home from the surgery. The knee is very swollen and my abdomen is on fire. Last night in my sleep I pulled a muscle in my back and it's in spasms. The pain killers seem to have no effect.

Jesus, man. I hope you didn't really screw up your knee on top of the surgery. Can you take anything like Doan's Pills or whatever that crap is for the back?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #24 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:52:22 pm »

I'm surprised that the 'distraction pain' therapy isn't working. Maybe you could get someone to whack you on the head with a hammer?

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #25 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:52:32 pm »

Quote from: SaltyParker on August 09, 2009, 01:50:18 pm

Is that a quote from Mike Hampton?

Oh, how I wish. My only comfort is seeing Wandy on the mound. That little guy has really come a long way.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #26 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:55:07 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 01:51:06 pm

Jesus, man. I hope you didn't really screw up your knee on top of the surgery. Can you take anything like Doan's Pills or whatever that crap is for the back?

If the swelling doesn't go down by Tuesday, I'm gonna see my regular doctor to have it drained but it's not that sore. I've got a heating pad on the back and it helps.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #27 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:55:41 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:48:42 pm

Fuck, I can't get comfortable. Friday I had hernia surgery. Fell and busted up my knee on my stairs soon after returning home from the surgery. The knee is very swollen and my abdomen is on fire. Last night in my sleep I pulled a muscle in my back and it's in spasms. The pain killers seem to have no effect.

Inguinal? Open surgery?

Lurch · « **Reply #28 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:59:21 pm »

Flipping back and forth between the game and golf, where after just 4 holes Tiger has eliminated Padraig's 3 shot lead.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #29 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:59:45 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on August 09, 2009, 01:55:41 pm

Inguinal? Open surgery?

Yes, inguinal. Laparoscopic surgery, or so they say. Went in at 11:30 am and was home by 4:00 pm. You had the same recently didn't you?

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #30 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:04:51 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:48:42 pm

Fuck, I can't get comfortable. Friday I had hernia surgery. Fell and busted up my knee on my stairs soon after returning home from the surgery. The knee is very swollen and my abdomen is on fire. Last night in my sleep I pulled a muscle in my back and it's in spasms. The pain killers seem to have no effect.

Damn, man. Hope it subsides some and you're able to get some rest. Barring that, you could see if JT can have some of his leftover meds to you...

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:06:21 pm »

I bet the Brewers lead the league in team with the most tattoos.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #32 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:07:29 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 01:59:45 pm

Yes, inguinal. Laparoscopic surgery, or so they say. Went in at 11:30 am and was home by 4:00 pm. You had the same recently didn't you?

Yes. I was diagnosed by a surgeon here in Tampa with a minor hernia on the right as well as the major on the left. I was set to have lapro but ended up having open because the doc in Austin where I had it done disagreed about the right side. He explained open is less invasive when you are only doing one side. I had a very uneventful recovery, including a AA meeting 4 days after.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #33 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:07:55 pm »

Quote from: 94CougarGrad on August 09, 2009, 02:04:51 pm

Damn, man. Hope it subsides some and you're able to get some rest. Barring that, you could see if JT can have some of his leftover meds to you...

Thanks. Yeah, JT's the reason I brought it up. He seemed to have the good stuff.

WakePhil · « **Reply #34 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:08:36 pm »

Quote from: Lurch on August 09, 2009, 01:59:21 pm

Flipping back and forth between the game and golf, where after just 4 holes Tiger has eliminated Padraig's 3 shot lead.

and another birdie to take the lead, 4 under through 5

Ron Brand · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:12:45 pm »

The Great Geoff Blum with the 2-run homer to right!

SaltyParker · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:13:57 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 02:12:45 pm

The Great Geoff Blum with the 2-run homer to right!

That was pretty

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:14:34 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on August 09, 2009, 02:07:29 pm

Yes. I was diagnosed by a surgeon here in Tampa with a minor hernia on the right as well as the major on the left.

Same here, might have the right done next summer if it proves to be a nuisance.

BBBBLLLUUUMMMMM!!!!

ETA: well i was actually diagnosed by my regular doc on a phys exam

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:22:55 pm »

I'm glad Pence is getting to sit this one out. It'll be good for him too. One of Coops biggest fuck-ups this year is taking the term every-day player so fucking literally.

Greg M · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:23:50 pm »

Please slide on close plays Jason.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:37:47 pm »

Quote from: Greg M on August 09, 2009, 02:23:50 pm

Please slide on close plays Jason.

For whatever reason, I don't think he knew the throw was coming home.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:39:57 pm »

Dick Face and Fat Vegan. I like that. The monikers are more than descriptive. Both Brewers are really easy for me to dislike, even excluding the fact that they're both exceptional hitters. Something about the way they carry themselves as they go about playing the game, just says, "hate me."

ETA: an i to the dck

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #42 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:42:44 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on August 09, 2009, 02:37:47 pm

For whatever reason, I don't think he knew the throw was coming home.

I believe in the if-not-sure-slide doctrine, brothers and sisters.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #43 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:45:45 pm »

93 MPH fastball.

DP to end the inning. 2-0 after six.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #44 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:48:24 pm »

Cameron can close the gap very fast.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #45 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:49:26 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 02:42:44 pm

I believe in the if-not-sure-slide doctrine, brothers and sisters.

why even go if you don't bother sliding on that play

JimR · « **Reply #46 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:50:36 pm »

Quote from: SaltyParker on August 09, 2009, 02:49:26 pm

why even go if you don't bother sliding on that play

because scoring standing up counts, too.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #47 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:53:14 pm »

it seems like he should have been able to see the play developing ahead of him

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #48 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:56:19 pm »

Quote from: SaltyParker on August 09, 2009, 02:49:26 pm

why even go if you don't bother sliding on that play

Often the third base coach, the bench, or someone scoring in front, or the on-deck guy can give the runner a heads up.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #49 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:00:27 pm »

Miggy leaps for a ball 18 feet over his head. JD and Brownie crack up over his optimism.

austro · « **Reply #50 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:07:47 pm »

Quote from: Greg M on August 09, 2009, 02:23:50 pm

Please slide on close plays Jason.

The way he got tried to stick his foot in there, I was afraid he was going to break his leg. The physics favor the man with the shin guards.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #51 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:08:25 pm »

Erstad on 2nd, no outs and 1st base open, Q fails in his effort to bunt Darin to 3rd. result, 1 out with a man on 1st. Is a sac-bunt a good call in that situation?

ybbodeus · « **Reply #52 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:11:25 pm »

Did we ever go with the Gatlin's "Houston" during the 7th inning stretch? Just wondering. Can't beat "Deep in the Heart of Texas" obviously.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #53 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:11:38 pm »

XL-chino in for the 8th. Another excellent game from Wandy.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #54 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:13:23 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 03:08:25 pm

Erstad on 2nd, no outs and 1st base open, Q fails in his effort to bunt Darin to 3rd. result, 1 out with a man on 1st. Is a bunt a good call in that situation?

I wouldn't think so because if it works you've got a runner on 3rd with two out and the pitcher's spot up. The runner at second scores on most hits anyway.

austro · « **Reply #55 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:14:50 pm »

Nice catch by Bourn. Fielder returning to first causes aftershocks in Tokyo.

Greg M · « **Reply #56 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:15:10 pm »

Bourn. Man. What a catch. I love that guy.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #57 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:15:44 pm »

Un-fucking-real! Suck on that failed experiment, Pallilo!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #58 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:15:56 pm »

Wow! Bourn makes another spectacular play in CF.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #59 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:31:31 pm »

Probably not a new offering but here goes, anyway -- Craig Counsell & Niedermeyer/Maestro: separated at birth?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #60 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:36:09 pm »

Does Valverde EVER have a shutdown save?

rifraft · « **Reply #61 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:39:50 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 03:36:09 pm

Does Valverde EVER have a shutdown save?

Its tough to when your control is as spotty as his.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #62 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:45:09 pm »

Damn straight!

matadorph · « **Reply #63 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:45:43 pm »

Too many pitches this inning for Papa Grande.

T. J. · « **Reply #64 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:45:51 pm »

Hoo boy. That was ball 4.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #65 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:47:29 pm »

Wicked!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #66 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:48:02 pm »

Yehaw!!!

matadorph · « **Reply #67 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:48:21 pm »

I can't believe that call, either.

Vanover squeezed the shit out of Wandy and Valverde.

I'll take it.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #68 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:49:20 pm »

Anyone listening to Uecker? Wonder if he was as incredulous about those last two punchouts as JD was.

T. J. · « **Reply #69 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:49:22 pm »

Wow. That one was even more off the plate. Thanks Blue! He must need to make a flight or something.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #70 on:** August 09, 2009, 03:50:57 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 09, 2009, 03:36:09 pm

Does Valverde EVER have a shutdown save?

It never seems routine for him, that's for sure

austro · « **Reply #71 on:** August 09, 2009, 04:22:24 pm »

Braun got fucked big-time. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

JimR · « **Reply #72 on:** August 09, 2009, 06:41:17 pm »

Do you fucking people question everything? Yes, the bunt
to get a rnner to 3rd with 1 out was a good call in a 2-0 game.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #73 on:** August 09, 2009, 07:03:36 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 09, 2009, 06:41:17 pm

Do you fucking people question everything? Yes, the bunt
to get a rnner to 3rd with 1 out was a good call in a 2-0 game.

I thought there were no outs. But I asked the question, not to second guess, but because I wanted to hear what people had to say. People like like you in particular, who I consider to have an expertise far exceeding my basic knowledge of the game.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #74 on:** August 09, 2009, 07:28:04 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 07:03:36 pm

I thought there were no outs. But I asked the question, not to second guess, but because I wanted to hear what people had to say. People like like you in particular, who I consider to have an expertise far exceeding my basic knowledge of the game.

I think he does too, and I don't see why it's a good play. I'm more than willing to admit my stupidity, so please Jim - can you explain why it is a good play?

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #75 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:51:07 pm »

Not Jim, but a well placed basehiit into the outfield is needed to score the run from second, whereas a dribbler, infield hit, blooper, balk, passed ball, wild pitch, or error can score the run from third.

Philip · « **Reply #76 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:34:47 pm »

The run expectancy matrix says it was not a very good play:

RE 99-02   0   1   2
Empty   0.555   0.297   0.117
1st     0.953   0.573   0.251
2nd     1.189   0.725   0.344
3rd     1.482   0.983   0.387
1st_2nd   1.573   0.971   0.466
1st_3rd   1.904   1.243   0.538
2nd_3rd   2.052   1.467   0.634
Loaded   2.417   1.65   0.815

With a runner on second and no outs, you can expect to score 1.189 runs. Assuming the bunt worked to perfection and you got Erstad to third with one out, the run expectancy falls to 0.983. Assuming that Q simply failed to get the bunt down and Erstad remained at second, it falls to 0.725. When the worst case scenario played out and Erstad was out at third, it fell further to 0.573. Irrespective of the resident deity's opinion, it was a stupid play.

matadorph · « **Reply #77 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:17:02 pm »

Quote from: Philip on August 09, 2009, 09:34:47 pm

The run expectancy matrix says it was not a very good play:

Die motherfucker, die

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #78 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:46:22 pm »

Thanks MikeyBoy.

I don't know why I got that antagonist exposed manifestation of insecure exhibitionism on ignore. I mean if that is going to keep getting quoted every time shit oozes out of thats anal cavity, what is the point.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #79 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:09:26 am »

Quote from: Philip on August 09, 2009, 09:34:47 pm

The run expectancy matrix says blah, blah, blah...

Hey, dipshit. How many instances in your sample data does Quintero and the pitchers spot come up with one out and Erstad on second?

Philip · « **Reply #80 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:55:37 am »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on August 10, 2009, 07:09:26 am

Hey, dipshit. How many instances in your sample data does Quintero and the pitchers spot come up with one out and Erstad on second?

With RISP, Q has a BA of .320, an OBP of .393, a SA of .480, and an OPS of .873. He has one of the better stats on the team.

Carlos Lee with RISP is .272 .351 .488 .839.

Would you have had Carlos Lee bunt in that situation?

BudGirl · « **Reply #81 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:56:23 am »

Quote from: Philip on August 10, 2009, 08:55:37 am

With RISP, Q has a BA of .320, an OBP of .393, a SA of .480, and an OBS of .873. He has one of the better stats on the team.

Carlos Lee with RISP is .272 .351 .488 .839.

Would you have had Carlos Lee bunt in that situation?

Humberto Quintero is NOT Carlos Lee.

MusicMan · « **Reply #82 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:58:09 am »

Quote from: Philip on August 10, 2009, 08:55:37 am

With RISP, Q has a BA of .320, an OBP of .393, a SA of .480, and an OPS of .873. He has one of the better stats on the team.

Carlos Lee with RISP is .272 .351 .488 .839.

Would you have had Carlos Lee bunt in that situation?

1. You're looking at the wrong probabilities. The Astros are looking for 1 more run, not the "big inning", with the 8-9 spots up.

2. Look up and define "small sample size" before you bring in 's situational statistics.

3. Pleasegothefuckaway.

JimR · « **Reply #83 on:** August 10, 2009, 09:08:54 am »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on August 09, 2009, 07:03:36 pm

I thought there were no outs. But I asked the question, not to second guess, but because I wanted to hear what people had to say. People like like you in particular, who I consider to have an expertise far exceeding my basic knowledge of the game.

no outs when he attempted to bunt. runner would be at third with one out. they obviously were playing for one run at the bottom of the order.

JimR · « **Reply #84 on:** August 10, 2009, 09:09:22 am »

Quote from: Philip on August 10, 2009, 08:55:37 am

With RISP, Q has a BA of .320, an OBP of .393, a SA of .480, and an OPS of .873. He has one of the better stats on the team.

Carlos Lee with RISP is .272 .351 .488 .839.

Would you have had Carlos Lee bunt in that situation?

go fuck yourself.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #85 on:** August 10, 2009, 10:40:41 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 10, 2009, 09:08:54 am

no outs when he attempted to bunt. runner would be at third with one out. they obviously were playing for one run at the bottom of the order.

I guess I was wrong, I thought there was one out when he attempted to bunt. To me, that didn't make it a good or bad play, just a decision and an approach but not a whole lot different either way, not a game-changing moment or anything. With no outs, it's a much better play and THAT I can see.

JimR · « **Reply #86 on:** August 10, 2009, 10:41:44 am »

Quote from: Ron Brand on August 10, 2009, 10:40:41 am

I guess I was wrong, I thought there was one out when he attempted to bunt. To me, that didn't make it a good or bad play, just a decision and an approach but not a whole lot different either way, not a game-changing moment or anything. With no outs, it's a much better play and THAT I can see.

if there was one out already, bad play. if no outs, not a bad play. all imo.