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« on: December 10, 2007, 01:17:49 pm »
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 01:19:44 pm »
Don't forget the $100 million+ unimposed fine.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 01:22:01 pm »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on December 10, 2007, 01:19:44 pm
Don't forget the $100 million+ unimposed fine.

With Vick gone for at least two years, maybe the Texans can trade Sage to Atl for two second rounders.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 01:26:32 pm »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 10, 2007, 01:22:01 pm
With Vick gone for at least two years, maybe the Texans can trade Sage to Atl for two second rounders.

You mean Sage "Looks-like-a-Pro-Bowl-quarterback-when-he-plays-the-Bucs" Rosenfels?
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 01:27:26 pm »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on December 10, 2007, 01:26:32 pm
You mean Sage "Looks-like-a-Pro-Bowl-quarterback-when-he-plays-the-Bucs" Rosenfels?

Yes, that him.  Are you a Bucko's fan?  Sage has alot of potential.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 01:35:04 pm »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 10, 2007, 01:27:26 pm
Yes, that him.  Are you a Bucko's fan?  Sage has alot of potential.

Potential, like his decision to wait until surrounded by 3 linemen in the red zone before getting it stripped?  I was like watching Carr v2.0.

Schaub is a much better decision maker.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 01:38:11 pm »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 10, 2007, 01:27:26 pm
Yes, that him.  Are you a Bucko's fan?  Sage has alot of potential.

Yes I am. I used to be an Oilers fan.

I can see his potential. Our back-up, not so much.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 01:51:38 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 10, 2007, 01:35:04 pm
I was like watching Carr v2.0.

Schaub is a much better decision maker.

Except he threw three td's and won the game...very 'unCarr' like.  I agree on Schaub, just hope his health holds.  I am hoping Sage improves his tradability in the next 3 games.

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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 01:54:31 pm »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on December 10, 2007, 01:38:11 pm
Yes I am.

Sorry about that.  At least you have a SuperBowl win.   How long of a leash does Chucky (Gruden) have?
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 01:57:36 pm »
Could Chucky be going the college route, maybe? 
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 02:03:04 pm »
Sage has had a good season, a solid backup QB, but the clock is ticking. He will be 30 next March.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 02:19:30 pm »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 10, 2007, 01:54:31 pm
Sorry about that.  At least you have a SuperBowl win.   How long of a leash does Chucky (Gruden) have?

I've enjoyed my BucFanDom so far. I only had to endure 4 or 5 years of suck before the joy of them winning regularly and then the SB win. Depending on what Gruden can do with this team this year, his leash is pretty loose. Despite yesterday, people are generally happy with him this year.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 03:44:59 pm »
When are they going to go back to those orange dreamsicle uniforms with the Bruce on the helmet?  The success of Pirates of the Carribean demands a more flamboyant image!

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I've enjoyed my BucFanDom so far. I only had to endure 4 or 5 years of suck before the joy of them winning regularly and then the SB win. Depending on what Gruden can do with this team this year, his leash is pretty loose. Despite yesterday, people are generally happy with him this year.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 04:53:21 pm »
on espn they where talking but vick never being signed again not based on jail time, age, ability or any of the above. they where talking about how long animal rights groups memories where and that alone would  keep him in the dog house
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 05:28:03 pm »
Quote from: Fredia on December 10, 2007, 04:53:21 pm
on espn they where talking but vick never being signed again not based on jail time, age, ability or any of the above. they where talking about how long animal rights groups memories where and that alone would  keep him in the dog house

I am suspicious that the gambling charges evaporated.  That would've got Vick banned from the NFL.  The fact that he was not convicted of illegal gambling leaves the door wiiiiiiide open for a comeback.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 05:39:57 pm »
Quote from: Limey on December 10, 2007, 05:28:03 pm
I am suspicious that the gambling charges evaporated.  That would've got Vick banned from the NFL.  The fact that he was not convicted of illegal gambling leaves the door wiiiiiiide open for a comeback.
Vick can play again for someone.  He'll be what, 28 or 29 when he gets out?  And he'll be available for a much more affordable price.  I don't know what will happen with his existing Falcons contract, although they have said no way Blank takes him back. 

It will be 3 years removed from playing IF Goodell doesn't suspend him, although he could say that time served in prison is enough.  So its highly doubtful he'll be starting QB for someone when he comes back on the scene, but reportedly he is still working out and will continue to work out.  3 years gone is a long time to come back and play QB.  But his athletic ability is unquestioned, and I doubt the whole league takes a pass on that if he is willing to come back cheap and/or become a role player.  Of course those are big if's.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 06:03:36 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 10, 2007, 01:35:04 pm
Potential, like his decision to wait until surrounded by 3 linemen in the red zone before getting it stripped?  I was like watching Carr v2.0.

Schaub is a much better decision maker.


Matt Schaub = David Carr Lite
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 06:11:50 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 10, 2007, 01:35:04 pm
Potential, like his decision to wait until surrounded by 3 linemen in the red zone before getting it stripped?  I was like watching Carr v2.0.
Schaub is a much better decision maker.
sage is a BACKUP QB for a  reason.  those calling for him to be the full time starter are misguided.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2007, 06:13:21 pm »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on December 10, 2007, 02:19:30 pm
I've enjoyed my BucFanDom so far. I only had to endure 4 or 5 years of suck before the joy of them winning regularly and then the SB win.


My BucFanDom started in 1975, when I got my first "The Bucs are Coming!" bumper sticker from the MacDonald's on 56th St.  I suffered through the first two seasons where they lost their first 26 games, and rejoiced like there was no tomorrow when they won their first, a break out 33-14 victory in New Orleans (after they'd scored a grand total of 17 points in their previous 7 games, including being shut out 5 times!).  Their first playoff win in 1979 was a high point for a long, long time. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2007, 07:44:59 pm »
Quote from: TheWizard on December 10, 2007, 05:39:57 pm
Vick can play again for someone.  He'll be what, 28 or 29 when he gets out?  And he'll be available for a much more affordable price.  I don't know what will happen with his existing Falcons contract, although they have said no way Blank takes him back. 

It will be 3 years removed from playing IF Goodell doesn't suspend him, although he could say that time served in prison is enough.  So its highly doubtful he'll be starting QB for someone when he comes back on the scene, but reportedly he is still working out and will continue to work out.  3 years gone is a long time to come back and play QB.  But his athletic ability is unquestioned, and I doubt the whole league takes a pass on that if he is willing to come back cheap and/or become a role player.  Of course those are big if's.

I hear two years of prison can change a man.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2007, 08:43:29 pm »
Quote from: Bench on December 10, 2007, 07:44:59 pm
I hear two years of prison can change a man.

maybe, maybe no, but it definitely changes his rectum.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 08:54:08 pm »
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2007, 07:40:20 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 10, 2007, 06:13:21 pm

My BucFanDom started in 1975, when I got my first "The Bucs are Coming!" bumper sticker from the MacDonald's on 56th St.  I suffered through the first two seasons where they lost their first 26 games, and rejoiced like there was no tomorrow when they won their first, a break out 33-14 victory in New Orleans (after they'd scored a grand total of 17 points in their previous 7 games, including being shut out 5 times!).  Their first playoff win in 1979 was a high point for a long, long time. 

I can't claim back that far and to be honest, I didn't have much interest in the Bucs at all when I moved here in 88. I was Oilers through and through for the first 4 years but it slowly changed over the next few years, being capped off by Bud's bullshit and attending enough Bucs games to really become a fan. I'm as big a Bucs fan now as I was Oilers then.

Did you go to the game, HH?
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2007, 07:54:44 am »
Quote from: dirty steve on December 10, 2007, 06:11:50 pm
sage is a BACKUP QB for a  reason.  those calling for him to be the full time starter are misguided.

Same reason Romo was a backup?  There have been many, many backups that have go on to become very good starters.  So I don't buy into that argument and must be misguided in that I think he could be an average to good starter in the NFL.
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« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2007, 08:09:53 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 10, 2007, 06:03:36 pm

Matt Schaub = David Carr Lite

How so? Schaub seems to be a very good decision maker, leader, and overall more cerebral QB. Carr was more athletic and had a stronger arm. Both have fell victim to poor protection. Overall, I would much rather have Matt Schaub as my QB.
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2007, 08:13:09 am »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 11, 2007, 07:54:44 am
Same reason Romo was a backup?  There have been many, many backups that have go on to become very good starters.  So I don't buy into that argument and must be misguided in that I think he could be an average to good starter in the NFL.

I agree with you in principle, but every NFL team needs two good quarterbacks. Why would you want to weaken such an important position, by trading Sage?
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2007, 08:39:37 am »
Quote from: MikeyBoy on December 11, 2007, 08:09:53 am
How so? Schaub seems to be a very good decision maker, leader, and overall more cerebral QB. Carr was more athletic and had a stronger arm. Both have fell victim to poor protection. Overall, I would much rather have Matt Schaub as my QB.


Schaub may be more cerebral, but I don't think he's a good decision maker.  He's not as good physically as Carr, doesn't throw as well as Carr, doen't run as well as Carr, and at least when Carr got knocked down, he got back up.  And I wasn't really a Carr fan...I just don't think Schaub is an upgrade.
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2007, 08:40:52 am »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on December 11, 2007, 07:40:20 am
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2007, 09:23:47 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 08:39:37 am

Schaub may be more cerebral, but I don't think he's a good decision maker.  He's not as good physically as Carr, doesn't throw as well as Carr, doen't run as well as Carr, and at least when Carr got knocked down, he got back up.  And I wasn't really a Carr fan...I just don't think Schaub is an upgrade.

Carr had tons of potential, but got hit way two many times and developed happy feel in the pocket.  Schaub has the potential to be a very good q-back in this league if he can stay healthy.  I am hoping for two high offensive lineman picks this year.
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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2007, 09:25:13 am »
Quote from: MikeyBoy on December 11, 2007, 08:13:09 am
I agree with you in principle, but every NFL team needs two good quarterbacks. Why would you want to weaken such an important position, by trading Sage?

Yes I agree with this.  I would rather have a very good backup.  I think Kub understands this as he backed up Elway for years.  I don't know if Sage would accept being a career backup though.
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2007, 09:35:04 am »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 11, 2007, 09:23:47 am
Carr had tons of potential, but got hit way two many times and developed happy feel in the pocket.  Schaub has the potential to be a very good q-back in this league if he can stay healthy.  I am hoping for two high offensive lineman picks this year.

What a great typo! The old reach around play
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2007, 10:03:59 am »
Quote from: Duman on December 11, 2007, 09:35:04 am
What a great typo! The old reach around play

Gotta love those typos.  I played center in H-School, so I know all about the happy feel.  NTTAWWT.
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2007, 10:36:57 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 08:39:37 am

Schaub may be more cerebral, but I don't think he's a good decision maker.  He's not as good physically as Carr, doesn't throw as well as Carr, doen't run as well as Carr, and at least when Carr got knocked down, he got back up.  And I wasn't really a Carr fan...I just don't think Schaub is an upgrade.

Then your problem is Ephram Salam. 

I think Schaub is more compatible with Kubiak's offense. Schaub is more accurate and has better touch on his throws.  This seems to result in hitting receivers in stride more than Carr ever did.  The progression from year one to year two will be telling for Schaub.  Carr stopped improving.  Time will tell for Schaub.
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2007, 10:41:16 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 08:39:37 am

Schaub may be more cerebral, but I don't think he's a good decision maker.  He's not as good physically as Carr, doesn't throw as well as Carr, doen't run as well as Carr, and at least when Carr got knocked down, he got back up.  And I wasn't really a Carr fan...I just don't think Schaub is an upgrade.

Complete crazy talk. Schaub is soooo much better than Carr that comparing the two is like taking a wrecking ball to one's credibility.

David Carr cannot throw the ball downfield, as evidenced by the Texans' complete lack of a passing game during his tenure. If it was third down and the offense needed more than four yards for the first down, time to punt. Even without Andre Johnson for most of the season, the Texans passing offense ranks among the ten best in the league. With basically the same offensive line as last year.

The addition by subtraction is self-evident. Granted, Schaub isn't Brady or Manning and he's had some hiccups along the way, but given  the insane amount of injuries afflicting that team and its total lack of a dependable running game, I don't think there's sufficient reason to question Matt Schaub's status as their QB of the future. The guy can play.
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2007, 10:53:21 am »
Quote from: matadorph on December 11, 2007, 10:41:16 am
Complete crazy talk. Schaub is soooo much better than Carr that comparing the two is like taking a wrecking ball to one's credibility.

David Carr cannot throw the ball downfield, as evidenced by the Texans' complete lack of a passing game during his tenure. If it was third down and the offense needed more than four yards for the first down, time to punt. Even without Andre Johnson for most of the season, the Texans passing offense ranks among the ten best in the league. With basically the same offensive line as last year.

The addition by subtraction is self-evident. Granted, Schaub isn't Brady or Manning and he's had some hiccups along the way, but given  the insane amount of injuries afflicting that team and its total lack of a dependable running game, I don't think there's sufficient reason to question Matt Schaub's status as their QB of the future. The guy can play.

Yep. I agree about Matt. Carr could throw the long ball in the first few years.
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2007, 10:58:19 am »
Quote from: rifraft on December 10, 2007, 08:43:29 pm
maybe, maybe no, but it definitely changes his rectum.

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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2007, 02:36:18 pm »
Quote from: matadorph on December 11, 2007, 10:41:16 am
David Carr cannot throw the ball downfield, as evidenced by the Texans' complete lack of a passing game during his tenure. If it was third down and the offense needed more than four yards for the first down, time to punt.

Complete hogwash.

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There's plenty of reason to question...namely can he stay healthy.  Personally, I think he's a pussy. 
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2007, 02:37:38 pm »
Quote from: Andyzipp on December 11, 2007, 10:36:57 am
Then your problem is Ephram Salam. 


Actually, the times Schaub has gotten in trouble the most seemed to be when he was moving to his left, which means the pressue was coming from the right side.  At least that's what *I've* noticed.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2007, 02:40:51 pm »
Quote from: matadorph on December 11, 2007, 10:41:16 am
given  the insane amount of injuries afflicting that team and its total lack of a dependable running game, I don't think there's sufficient reason to question Matt Schaub's status as their QB of the future. The guy can play.


And you don't think the insane injuries and lack of a running game, not to mention a moron for a coach, affected Carr's play?  I agree Carr got happy feet (maybe happy feel too with that haircut of his), and he needed to go.  But Schaub is not the answer.  Saying Schaub is the answer because Carr needed to go is like saying Chris Burke is the answer because it was time for Craig Biggio to hang em up.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2007, 02:44:16 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 02:36:18 pm
Complete hogwash.

Personally, I think he's a pussy. 

How ironic to include both of these statements, since one applies to the other.  A layperson calling any NFL player a "pussy" is beyond comical.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2007, 02:49:44 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 02:40:51 pm

And you don't think the insane injuries and lack of a running game, not to mention a moron for a coach, affected Carr's play?  I agree Carr got happy feet (maybe happy feel too with that haircut of his), and he needed to go.  But Schaub is not the answer.  Saying Schaub is the answer because Carr needed to go is like saying Chris Burke is the answer because it was time for Craig Biggio to hang em up.

What did Schaub do still your girlfriend?  Kill your dog?..oh wait that was Vick.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2007, 03:01:51 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 11, 2007, 02:44:16 pm
How ironic to include both of these statements, since one applies to the other.  A layperson calling any NFL player a "pussy" is beyond comical.

Oh yeah and I got another question.  What is the deal with Carr not being able to play from the 'shotgun' position?  Kub stated last year that the team could not use the shotgun.

On Carr, I supported this dude for 90% of the time he was here.  Last year, I finally realized that he could not be fixed (Happy feet).  The Texans ruined him by throwing him to the wolves.  What they should have been doing instead of drafting skilled offensive players (q-back, WR, etc.) was to take linemen (both offensive and defensive).   They have corrected the d-line in the last few drafts and this d will be a force to reckon with in the near future.

On Schaub, I think he has played fairly well in his inaugural season.  Can he improve?  You bet.  Is he the savior of the Texans?  I don't think he has to be.  If he makes good sound decisions and the offensive line/running back positions are improved next year, the Texans will be a very good team.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2007, 03:11:23 pm »
Quote from: Astroholic on December 11, 2007, 03:01:51 pm


On Schaub, I think he has played fairly well in his inaugural season.  Can he improve?  You bet.  Is he the savior of the Texans?  I don't think he has to be.  If he makes good sound decisions and the offensive line/running back positions are improved next year, the Texans will be a very good team.


Agreed.  Kubiak's offense does not require a great player at QB.  Schaub is a good fit for the offense they are running now.  Carr was not.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2007, 03:27:43 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 11, 2007, 02:44:16 pm
How ironic to include both of these statements, since one applies to the other.  A layperson calling any NFL player a "pussy" is beyond comical.


How do you know I wasn't an NFL player?
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2007, 03:36:28 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 03:27:43 pm

How do you know I wasn't an NFL player?

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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2007, 03:48:20 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 02:40:51 pm

Saying Schaub is the answer because Carr needed to go is like saying Chris Burke is the answer because it was time for Craig Biggio to hang em up.

That's beautiful, except I'd substitue Lamb for Burke and Ensberg for Biggio.  Carr doesn't exactly equate to Biggio all that effectively, in my scattered opinion.
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Re: Vick gets no less than 20 months (NBB)
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2007, 04:55:14 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2007, 03:27:43 pm

How do you know I wasn't an NFL player?

Fair enough.  If you were an NFL player, feel free to question his pain tolerance.
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