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« on: August 09, 2007, 08:50:12 am »
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2007, 08:53:02 am »
He hit a home run Tuesday night!  Off a major league pitcher!

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2007, 08:58:02 am »
His batting average is 58 points below his listed weight.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2007, 09:00:34 am »
Are you people incapable of processing information?  Here's the reason, Link. Defense.  If you're confused that says more about you than the Astros.  Wouldn't you think that if the Astros thought they had a better option he'd be playing?

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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2007, 09:03:48 am »
I think the Astros could do a lot worse than having Lane as a reserve outfielder next year.
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2007, 09:04:02 am »
playing a great CF and swinging the bat much better.

anyone who asks why either has not been watching or is a whiz at fantasy baseball.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 09:05:56 am »
playing a great CF and swinging the bat much better.

anyone who asks why either has not been watching or is a whiz at fantasy baseball.

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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 09:07:33 am »
Why...is he batting so far up the order?

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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2007, 09:07:42 am »
He's 6 for 39 in his last 10 games.  That's a .154 average.  I understand why he's playing, but he's not hitting any better.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 09:10:41 am »
No other options.

He's played good defense.  There was a play last night, and I forget who the runner was on second, but it was a fairly deep ball hit to right center and Lane got under it, caught and made a strong throw to third.  I couldn't help but think that if Pence were out there, the runner would've tagged and advanced. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2007, 09:13:43 am »
playing a great CF and swinging the bat much better.

anyone who asks why either has not been watching or is a whiz at fantasy baseball.

He's playing the position adequately, I don't know about great.  He's not embarrassing himself or his team.  But he's more lost at the plate than ever since he's been called up.  Getting on 26% of the time and slugging .333

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2007, 09:18:31 am »
He's playing the position adequately, I don't know about great.  He's not embarrassing himself or his team.  But he's more lost at the plate than ever since he's been called up.  Getting on 26% of the time and slugging .333

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2007, 09:19:48 am »
He's 6 for 39 in his last 10 games.  That's a .154 average.  I understand why he's playing, but he's not hitting any better.

The category of the day is the bloody fucking obvious?

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2007, 09:22:43 am »
Someone on this thread said he was swinging much better.
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 09:23:54 am »
Someone on this thread said he was swinging much better.

Nope, they said "swinging better".  For Jason, that's a very low bar.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2007, 09:26:51 am »
You must be a fantasy stud.

Or a stud of fantasy.

I'm neither.  I get that there are no better options.  I also get that he plays a better centerfield than PENCE!!!, but that doesn't make him great.

I disagree with the assertion that he's got any better approach at the plate than he's had for a couple of years.

In the interest of full disclosure, I've never been a fan of his, not even when he was MVPing it up in RR.

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2007, 09:31:11 am »
I'm neither.  I get that there are no better options.  I also get that he plays a better centerfield than PENCE!!!, but that doesn't make him great.

He's been the best defensive outfielder all season.  He's pretty much hopeless with the bat.

My gripe is that he's hitting 6th ahead of Bruntlett and Ausmus.  Treat him like you would any other defensive specialist, because that's all he is, and bat him 8th.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2007, 09:33:29 am »
He's been the best defensive outfielder all season.  He's pretty much hopeless with the bat.

My gripe is that he's hitting 6th ahead of Bruntlett and Ausmus.  Treat him like you would any other defensive specialist, because that's all he is, and bat him 8th.

I think you leave Ausmus and Bruntlett where they are in the order.  I hate when Ausmus gets moved up the order.

And I would rather have Lane on this team than Burke, Lane's defense in center has been pretty good.  It will be interesting to see what Purpura does when Pence and Everett come off the DL.
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 09:35:22 am »
He's been the best defensive outfielder all season.  He's pretty much hopeless with the bat.

My gripe is that he's hitting 6th ahead of Bruntlett and Ausmus.  Treat him like you would any other defensive specialist, because that's all he is, and bat him 8th.

i do not think he is hopeless at all. that does not mean he'll turn it around, of course.
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 09:36:26 am »
He's 6 for 39 in his last 10 games.  That's a .154 average.  I understand why he's playing, but he's not hitting any better.

i said he is "swinging the bat much better." you tell me his BA. do you know the difference?
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2007, 09:38:31 am »
i said he is "swinging the bat much better." you tell me his BA. do you know the difference?

Maybe we need a new metric that can be worked into fantasy baseball ... it would need to be a rate stat, call it 'swing quality".  Not sure how to collect the data, but if we can figure that out, people could quit watching the game altogether.  Oh wait ... maybe they already have?
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2007, 09:39:56 am »
i do not think he is hopeless at all. that does not mean he'll turn it around, of course.

His no-arm swing remains the same, but his selectivity has gone with the wind.  Last night he struck out on a near pitch-out and a 60 foot change.  That's the clueless part for me, he doesn't know when, or when not, to swing.
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2007, 09:42:38 am »
I'm neither.  I get that there are no better options.  I also get that he plays a better centerfield than PENCE!!!, but that doesn't make him great.

I disagree with the assertion that he's got any better approach at the plate than he's had for a couple of years.

In the interest of full disclosure, I've never been a fan of his, not even when he was MVPing it up in RR.

i never liked his swing at RR, but the man has produced at every level including MLB.

i'm not going to quibble with you between "good" and "great."

he is not pulling off the ball like he did before his demotion, and he is hitting some balls hard. i think he is "swinging the bat much better." that is not BA and not approach. i think his mechanics are better.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2007, 09:48:21 am »
I understand the difference, but his improvement still isn't getting better results.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2007, 09:55:52 am »
I understand the difference, but his improvement still isn't getting better results.
Is no one here going to mention the small sample size?  He's had 51 ABs since the All-Star break.  Unless he's got an .800 OBP numbers don't mean that much yet.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2007, 09:58:42 am »
That street runs both ways.  If he was doing better, any improvement would be easy to see.
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2007, 10:02:01 am »
Maybe we need a new metric that can be worked into fantasy baseball ... it would need to be a rate stat, call it 'swing quality".  Not sure how to collect the data, but if we can figure that out, people could quit watching the game altogether.  Oh wait ... maybe they already have?

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2007, 10:07:22 am »
Maybe I'm just looking at this through rose-colored glasses, but it looks like he's improved to me.  He might be striking out more, but he's walking more too.  And besides, I'm not going to start griping after an o'fer against Zambrano, even if he didn't have his best stuff.


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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2007, 10:11:48 am »
That street runs both ways.  If he was doing better, any improvement would be easy to see.

even after i explained it, you still do not understand what i am saying.

i do see it. you're talking BA. i am not.
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2007, 10:18:07 am »
He's been the best defensive outfielder all season.  He's pretty much hopeless with the bat.

My gripe is that he's hitting 6th ahead of Bruntlett and Ausmus.  Treat him like you would any other defensive specialist, because that's all he is, and bat him 8th.

Power potential.  He's the last chance to clear the bases (and he has 3 or 4 times in the past week).


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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2007, 10:18:32 am »
No, I get what you are seeing.  What good is a better looking swing, if Lane doesn't actually hit any better?  I understand that he has a better chance of coming out of his funk if he's swinging better.  There has been no other indication that it's going to happen, though.  I hope it does.
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2007, 10:23:00 am »
No, I get what you are seeing.  What good is a better looking swing, if Lane doesn't actually hit any better?  I understand that he might start to come out of his funk if he's swinging better.  There has been no indication that that is going to happen yet, though.  I hope it does.

The better swing is the indication.  A better swing means he will hit more pitches.  Hitting more pitches will increase his batting average.  Then and only then will you recognize the better swing. 

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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2007, 10:32:46 am »
Jim already pointed out that his swing is only one part of the equation.  Lane is striking out a lot lately and getting on base even less.
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2007, 10:35:34 am »
Jim already pointed out that his swing is only one part of the equation.  Lane is striking out a lot lately and getting on base even less.

Jim pointed out no such thing. 

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think he is "swinging the bat much better." that is not BA and not approach. i think his mechanics are better.

His approach is part of the equation.
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« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2007, 10:51:41 am »
His approach is part of the equation.

It's not likely to change.  He thought they wanted him to walk more at the start of 2006.  He did, they said no swing the bat.  That didn't work.  I think he is very aware of why Morgan Ensberg is not an Astro.  He's up there swinging.  That's also one of the reasons he's hitting 6th. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2007, 10:52:57 am »
Wow... 51-63 makes for some defensive mf'ers.
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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2007, 11:03:00 am »
It's not likely to change.  He thought they wanted him to walk more at the start of 2006.  He did, they said no swing the bat.  That didn't work.  I think he is very aware of why Morgan Ensberg is not an Astro.  He's up there swinging.  That's also one of the reasons he's hitting 6th. 

Lane passed through waivers.  He is under no illusions as to his own, tenuous, status as a major leaguer.  He's trying at the plate (in both senses of the word) and plays a decent centrefield.  I know why he's in the line up everyday, and I'm much happier seeing him (anyone) than Burke.  But...

Even if he raises his BA by 100 points, he's still marginal at best.

And I don't like him hitting 6th, regardless of what he's cleared and when.
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2007, 11:16:48 am »
Lane passed through waivers.  He is under no illusions as to his own, tenuous, status as a major leaguer.  He's trying at the plate (in both senses of the word) and plays a decent centrefield.  I know why he's in the line up everyday, and I'm much happier seeing him (anyone) than Burke.  But...

Even if he raises his BA by 100 points, he's still marginal at best.

And I don't like him hitting 6th, regardless of what he's cleared and when.

I don't think anyone "likes" having to play Jason Lane.  Just trying to move beyond the "Why he play?  He no hit good.  See? The number? He no hit good." babble.  They really have no other option, tried to get one at the trading deadline but it didn't work.  Here's some discussion about why they brought up Lane instead of Josh Anderson to replace Pence,

"... instead, the Astros called up Jason Lane, whose two years of underachieving had led to his demotion to Round Rock.

"(General manager Tim Purpura) and I talked about it a little bit," Astros farm director Ricky Bennett said of moving Anderson up. "But we think Jason's a better fit at this time, primarily because of his experience at this level."
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Experience, defense, no other option; or we can go round and round with, "Why he play? He no hit good!"

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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2007, 11:18:09 am »
Wow... 51-63 makes for some defensive mf'ers.

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« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2007, 11:21:15 am »
Josh Anderson must be feeling pretty bad about his position in the Astros organization right now.
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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2007, 11:23:31 am »
Josh Anderson must be feeling pretty bad about his position in the Astros organization right now.

fuck that. why should he cry about playing AAA with his limited talent?
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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2007, 11:24:21 am »
who do you want in CF?

Willie Mays in his prime.

Barring that?  Mickey Mantle in his prime.
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2007, 11:25:45 am »
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Barring that?  Mickey Mantle in his prime.

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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2007, 11:26:21 am »
Burke is the guy who should not be in the lineup -- moreso than Lane who is just filling in for an injured player.  Burke offsets his crappy punchless hitting with bad defense.  Put Loretta at second and leave him there.  Put Berkman at first and leave him there.  Put Scott in right and leave him there.

Scott can hit.  Leave the man in the lineup and he will.

The only other guy who should get any run in center on this team right now is Bruntlett.  And we need him at short until AE gets back.

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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2007, 11:27:11 am »
I didn't say he should get called up.  I meant that if he hasn't gotten a call up now, he's probably never going to get one.
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« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2007, 11:29:53 am »
Willie Mays in his prime.

Barring that?  Mickey Mantle in his prime.

I'll take the Mick pre knee injury...

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2007, 11:32:34 am »
I'll take the Mick pre knee injury...

Am I the only one who has heard the theory that his injury was actuall a torm ACL, and that he was able to play the rest of his career with it?
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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2007, 11:32:37 am »
I'll take the Mick pre knee injury...

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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2007, 11:35:41 am »
Am I the only one who has heard the theory that his injury was actuall a torm ACL, and that he was able to play the rest of his career with it?

I've heard that.  I'm trying to figure out which of the agents from strosrays list was responsible.

Was sprinkler head on the list?

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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2007, 11:36:00 am »
who do you want in CF?

I'm not advocating for anyone else.  I'm just surprised to see grown men rending their garments because someone has the unmitigated gall to ask "why?"
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2007, 11:37:22 am »
I'm not advocating for anyone else.  I'm just surprised to see grown men rending their garments because someone has the unmitigated gall to ask "why?"

Surprised? Really? That when someone asks why? they get an answer?  Here?  And you're surprised?  Really?

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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2007, 11:56:00 am »
"(General manager Tim Purpura) and I talked about it a little bit," Astros farm director Ricky Bennett said of moving Anderson up. "But we think Jason's a better fit at this time, primarily because of his experience at this level."
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You'll pardon me if I don't find that explanation particularly satisfying.

Notwithstanding Anderson's relatively lackluster season at Round Rock (in his first taste of AAA), I have a hard time agreeing that his lack of experience at the Major League level is a good reason not to give him a tryout on a team that's 12 games under .500.  His performance at Round Rock may be, but that's a wholly separate concern.
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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2007, 11:56:56 am »
You'll pardon me if I don't find that explanation particularly satisfying.

Notwithstanding Anderson's relatively lackluster season at Round Rock (in his first taste of AAA), I have a hard time agreeing that his lack of experience at the Major League level is a good reason not to give him a tryout on a team that's 12 games under .500.

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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2007, 11:59:06 am »
You'll pardon me if I don't find that explanation particularly satisfying.

Notwithstanding Anderson's relatively lackluster season at Round Rock (in his first taste of AAA), I have a hard time agreeing that his lack of experience at the Major League level is a good reason not to give him a tryout on a team that's 12 games under .500.

Had no expectation nor interest that you would.   Whether you agree is also irrelevant.   The Astros reasoning is clear.

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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2007, 11:59:17 am »
25 man roster?
Starting the clock on his MLB playing career?

Theoretically, those are plausible reasons.  But Anderson is 25-years-old.
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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2007, 12:03:35 pm »
Had no expectation nor interest that you would.   Whether you agree is also irrelevant.   The Astros reasoning is clear.

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« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2007, 12:04:54 pm »
But Anderson is 25-years-old.

...and only just making it to AAA.  Which suggests he isn't a stud and/or struggles to adjust when he moves up a level.  Either way, he's a risk to put in the unfamiliar and gargantuan centrefield at MMPUS.  Lane is up instead because he'll have no problem playing defense which, when you're sammidged between Lee and Scott is very, very important.

BTW, anyone notice how vehement Bruntlett was in calling off Lee on a looper to short LF last night?  Made me chuckle.
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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2007, 12:14:36 pm »
BTW, anyone notice how vehement Bruntlett was in calling off Lee on a looper to short LF last night?  Made me chuckle.

Yup. I wonder what Lee said to him after the catch.
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« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2007, 12:19:47 pm »
Nice work.

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I don't.  I haven't the inexhaustable mixture of arrogance and stupidity that makes me think I can second guess a move based on knowing nothing more than a players name and statistics.  The Astros didn't roll up the Confuse-A-Fan van and spring Jason Lane in center just so you'd wet your diaper, again.  The question was "why?"  The reasons were given.

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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2007, 12:20:51 pm »
You'll pardon me if I don't find that explanation particularly satisfying.

Notwithstanding Anderson's relatively lackluster season at Round Rock (in his first taste of AAA), I have a hard time agreeing that his lack of experience at the Major League level is a good reason not to give him a tryout on a team that's 12 games under .500.  His performance at Round Rock may be, but that's a wholly separate concern.

you'll pardon me if i do not find your opinion on this particularly pertinent. have you come down here to watch him play? why should he be called up in August for a "tryout?" why not wait until the rosters expand if he should get a tryout.
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« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2007, 12:27:55 pm »
Why?

Because the Astros wouldn't pay Andy Pettitte 20 million dollars.

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« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2007, 03:35:54 pm »
I don't think anyone "likes" having to play Jason Lane.  Just trying to move beyond the "Why he play?  He no hit good.  See? The number? He no hit good." babble.  They really have no other option, tried to get one at the trading deadline but it didn't work.  Here's some discussion about why they brought up Lane instead of Josh Anderson to replace Pence,

"... instead, the Astros called up Jason Lane, whose two years of underachieving had led to his demotion to Round Rock.

"(General manager Tim Purpura) and I talked about it a little bit," Astros farm director Ricky Bennett said of moving Anderson up. "But we think Jason's a better fit at this time, primarily because of his experience at this level."
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Experience, defense, no other option; or we can go round and round with, "Why he play? He no hit good!"

I don't know what the Astros' options are at RR, but the thing that is so depressing about this season to me is that this is the time to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level.   Jason Lane has been given every opportunity to have a starting OF job in Houston and for two years he has been terrible.  There are no obvious successors to Ausmus(though we've seen his career winding down for three years), Biggio (Burke?), or RF (Scott? Lane?).  Lamb and Loretta have filled their roles well, but they clearly aren't the future, either.
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« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2007, 03:43:58 pm »
I don't know what the Astros' options are at RR, but the thing that is so depressing about this season to me is that this is the time to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level.   Jason Lane has been given every opportunity to have a starting OF job in Houston and for two years he has been terrible.  There are no obvious successors to Ausmus(though we've seen his career winding down for three years), Biggio (Burke?), or RF (Scott? Lane?).  Lamb and Loretta have filled their roles well, but they clearly aren't the future, either.

So you want the Astros to start the clock on a bunch of their minor leaguers two or three weeks early just to appease your curiousity?
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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2007, 03:46:00 pm »
I don't know what the Astros' options are at RR, but the thing that is so depressing about this season to me is that this is the time to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level.   Jason Lane has been given every opportunity to have a starting OF job in Houston and for two years he has been terrible.  There are no obvious successors to Ausmus(though we've seen his career winding down for three years), Biggio (Burke?), or RF (Scott? Lane?).  Lamb and Loretta have filled their roles well, but they clearly aren't the future, either.

pssst, David. here's a secret: in RR, EVERY DAMN DAY, they are trying "to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level." it is what they do, Jackie Moore and his minions.

please do not tell anyone i told you. it is called player development, and it happens in cities other than Houston.
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« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2007, 03:47:07 pm »
There is a replacement for Ausmus in Corpus right now.  If he keeps progressing, he'll be ready for the 09 season.  The Round Rock roster isn't that great, but there are guys coming up the pipeline from A and AA.
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« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2007, 03:51:03 pm »
There is a replacement for Ausmus in Corpus right now.  If he keeps progressing, he'll be ready for the 09 season.  The Round Rock roster isn't that great, but there are guys coming up the pipeline from A and AA.

RR has some interesting guys, but no major stars in the making.

Mike Rodriguez, Josh Anderson, and Tim Raines all seem like they have the speed to help the ballclub in the outfield. Probably not as every day starters, but any one of them would make a decent 4th outfielder/pinch runner kind of guy. Raines has been on a tear, lately too.

Ransom could be an answer to the 2nd base question, if you don't care for the Chris Burke Experience.

Quintero has continued to play solid ball in AAA, he is a good defensive backstop with a cannon for an arm. He is hitting in around .280 right now.

Brooks Conrad is having a down year batting average wise, but continues to put up good power numbers, and he can switch hit. Also a ++ defender at any infield spot but shortstop.
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« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2007, 04:00:55 pm »
There is a replacement for Ausmus in Corpus right now.  If he keeps progressing, he'll be ready for the 09 season.  The Round Rock roster isn't that great, but there are guys coming up the pipeline from A and AA.

There are very few position players that would make our top ten.  And several in our top 10 wouldn't be in other orgs top 20.  The pipeline needs some work.  I am afraid this years draft didn't do much but create some clogs in the source that may have to been cleaned out later.  Time will tell.
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« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2007, 04:04:33 pm »
pssst, David. here's a secret: in RR, EVERY DAMN DAY, they are trying "to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level." it is what they do, Jackie Moore and his minions.

please do not tell anyone i told you. it is called player development, and it happens in cities other than Houston.

I realize that, but the top players the organization has produced in recent years (other than Pence) are Lane, Burke, Scott, Albers, Hirsh, and no catchers and that explains a lot of why we've struggled the past two years.   I think it's fair to say the system has been down from the high point of the late 90s and early 00s.
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« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2007, 04:06:56 pm »
There is a replacement for Ausmus in Corpus right now.  If he keeps progressing, he'll be ready for the 09 season.  The Round Rock roster isn't that great, but there are guys coming up the pipeline from A and AA.

And I think Quintero is an adequate bridge from Ausmus to Towles for '08 (should Ausmus not be back).
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« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2007, 04:16:04 pm »
I don't know what the Astros' options are at RR, but the thing that is so depressing about this season to me is that this is the time to see if we have young players who can play at the ML level.   Jason Lane has been given every opportunity to have a starting OF job in Houston and for two years he has been terrible.  There are no obvious successors to Ausmus(though we've seen his career winding down for three years), Biggio (Burke?), or RF (Scott? Lane?).  Lamb and Loretta have filled their roles well, but they clearly aren't the future, either.

Lee, Berkman, Pence, Everett, Wigginton, Oswalt, Qualls, and Lidge are the future.  Hunsicker traded most of the tradeable minor leaguers for major leaguers.  Purpura pissed away the future by trading Zobrist.  Lane is the Astros 3rd string CF.  I don't know why the fuss about that.   


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« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2007, 04:18:11 pm »
I realize that, but the top players the organization has produced in recent years (other than Pence) are Lane, Burke, Scott, Albers, Hirsh, and no catchers and that explains a lot of why we've struggled the past two years.   I think it's fair to say the system has been down from the high point of the late 90s and early 00s.

They traded their future catcher for Carlos Beltran.

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It's not great, but there's at least some hope with Towles, Flores, Iorg and Einertson.  I know 3 of those guys are outfielders, but if they continue to develop the Astros will be able to trade them for players at need positions.
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« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2007, 04:30:01 pm »
It's not great, but there's at least some hope with Towles, Flores, Iorg and Einertson.  I know 3 of those guys are outfielders, but if they continue to develop the Astros will be able to trade them for players at need positions.

there are those who think the hype one hears about the catcher is very overstated.
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« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2007, 04:47:07 pm »
And I think Quintero is an adequate bridge from Ausmus to Towles for '08 (should Ausmus not be back).

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« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2007, 04:48:13 pm »
Is it in regards to his defense?  I've never seen anyone really talk about his ability to catch and the thought has crossed my mind that his hitting ability is causing it to be overlooked.
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« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2007, 04:49:30 pm »
Ausmus ain't coming back  Surf's up, dude!

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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2007, 05:01:23 pm »
The fact that Jason Lane is still an option for the Houston Astros is just further evidence that Purpura is an incompetent General Manager.
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« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2007, 05:20:56 pm »
The fact that Jason Lane is still an option for the Houston Astros is just further evidence that Purpura is an incompetent General Manager.

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« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2007, 05:22:41 pm »
You don't know that.  It may be true, but it hasn't been decided.

I do know.  "Some people" told me.
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« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2007, 05:33:55 pm »
I am curious as to why so many view Lane as a "great" defensive OF'er. He is a good instinctive OF, gets good breaks, and takes fairly direct routes to go along with a good arm. However, he does not run all that well or cover all that much ground in CF. If you are looking for CF's strictly from a defensive standpoint it really shouldn't be all that hard to find one better than Lane.

He has been terrible at the plate since coming back despite being in the lineup on an everyday basis. He is hitting the same way he did before he got sent down.

I understand why he's in the lineup right now, but he's still a bad everyday player.

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« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2007, 05:51:27 pm »
I am curious as to why so many view Lane as a "great" defensive OF'er. He is a good instinctive OF, gets good breaks, and takes fairly direct routes to go along with a good arm. However, he does not run all that well or cover all that much ground in CF. If you are looking for CF's strictly from a defensive standpoint it really shouldn't be all that hard to find one better than Lane.

He has been terrible at the plate since coming back despite being in the lineup on an everyday basis. He is hitting the same way he did before he got sent down.

I understand why he's in the lineup right now, but he's still a bad everyday player.

Shouldn't be hard to find a better defensive CF in Major league baseball- OK- I get that point. It is also totally and completely irrelevant.

The question is can the astros find a better defensive CF for right now (which would be limited to players in the organization or those you could get through a trade or from the scrap heap of available, major league calibre OF'ers who are not presently employed in professional baseball). That is the only question that is relevant to this discussion- right here right now, and I think the answer is no- they cannot find a better defensive CF from that particular talent pool- otherwise they would have done so. Unless you are entertaining the idea that the astros do not want to win right now, which I refuse to believe anyone with any sense would believe.


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« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2007, 08:36:38 pm »
I am curious as to why so many view Lane as a "great" defensive OF'er. He is a good instinctive OF, gets good breaks, and takes fairly direct routes to go along with a good arm. However, he does not run all that well or cover all that much ground in CF. If you are looking for CF's strictly from a defensive standpoint it really shouldn't be all that hard to find one better than Lane.

He has been terrible at the plate since coming back despite being in the lineup on an everyday basis. He is hitting the same way he did before he got sent down.

I understand why he's in the lineup right now, but he's still a bad everyday player.

i am curious as to why your posts are all 1). critical of someone or something or 2). ankle-biting.

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« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2007, 09:20:15 pm »
I am curious as to why so many view Lane as a "great" defensive OF'er. ...

Who said he was "great"?  On the Astros he needs only be competent to be the best they have available.  And, you show your ignorance when you assume.  They did look for another centerfielder.

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« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2007, 10:39:57 pm »
I think that Lane would be much better if he just learned to trust his stuff again.
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« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2007, 11:07:02 pm »
They did look for another centerfielder.

I did not say otherwise. You are unbelievably sensitive.

I unfortunately caught the "great" through a quote from Jim. I normally try to ignore it.
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« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2007, 11:18:53 pm »
The question is can the astros find a better defensive CF for right now (which would be limited to players in the organization or those you could get through a trade or from the scrap heap of available, major league calibre OF'ers who are not presently employed in professional baseball). That is the only question that is relevant to this discussion- right here right now, and I think the answer is no- they cannot find a better defensive CF from that particular talent pool- otherwise they would have done so. Unless you are entertaining the idea that the astros do not want to win right now, which I refuse to believe anyone with any sense would believe.

I understand Jason Lane is the best available option to the Astros in CF at the moment. I haven't argued that. I understand that acquiring a CF or CF depth will be infinitely easier during the offseason. I am saying that just because he is the best available option does not mean he is a particularly good option or that he is doing a good job.

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« Reply #87 on: August 10, 2007, 12:19:15 am »
I did not say otherwise. You are unbelievably sensitive.

I unfortunately caught the "great" through a quote from Jim. I normally try to ignore it.

But I have no trouble believing how dim you are, there's a lot of evidence. Jim = "so many"? One is not many.  And "If you are looking for CF's strictly from a defensive standpoint it really shouldn't be all that hard to find one better than Lane."  Sure seems like you think they didnt look very hard for a centerfielder.  Were you aware that you typed that? Either you have some sort of typing tourettes where you type random words, or you're not sure what you're trying to say.

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« Reply #88 on: August 10, 2007, 03:05:58 am »
But I have no trouble believing how dim you are, there's a lot of evidence. Jim = "so many"? One is not many.  

Do we really have to discuss the difference between "good", "very good", "impressive", "great" etc. Are we going to delve nose deep into another semantical battle where we discuss everything but what is actually pertinent to the discussion?

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And "If you are looking for CF's strictly from a defensive standpoint it really shouldn't be all that hard to find one better than Lane."  Sure seems like you think they didnt look very hard for a centerfielder.

You do a nice job making sure no one gets away with the slightest of slight criticisms of the Houston Astros. Either that or you do a nice job wilfully misinterpreting whatever is written in a manner that suits your argument. I never said the Astros "didn't look very hard" for a CF. I never said it was inexcusable for Lane to be the starting CF. I never asked why Lane is playing CF. I am sure the Astros have looked, are in the process of looking for, and will look in the future for a better backup to Pence in CF or even a guy that pushes Pence to RF. It shouldn't have been very hard to find a better defensive CF last offseason (although the Astros did not know they would need one) and it will not be very hard to find a better defensive CF this offseason. I was not critical of the Astros for not having a better alternative than Lane. I understand things get fucked up when your starting CF busts, your replacement CF gets injured, and your 3rd string guy is playing shortstop.

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Were you aware that you typed that? Either you have some sort of typing tourettes where you type random words, or you're not sure what you're trying to say.

The cycle has been completed. Misinterpret what has been written, split hairs to the nth degree, and then finish with "typing tourettes" and "random words" all because I wasn't specific enough to avoid your semantical onslaught. I'll try to be extremely specific in the future to make it harder for you to be willfully obtuse.

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« Reply #89 on: August 10, 2007, 04:04:38 am »
insert youtube adam west rant . . . . . here.   (Limey?)


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« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2007, 08:03:11 am »
I do know.  "Some people" told me.

Fuck.  I didn't know you had sources.  Excuse me.

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« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2007, 09:15:34 am »
Do we really have to discuss the difference between "good", "very good", "impressive", "great" etc. Are we going to delve nose deep into another semantical battle where we discuss everything but what is actually pertinent to the discussion?

You do a nice job making sure no one gets away with the slightest of slight criticisms of the Houston Astros. Either that or you do a nice job wilfully misinterpreting whatever is written in a manner that suits your argument. I never said the Astros "didn't look very hard" for a CF. I never said it was inexcusable for Lane to be the starting CF. I never asked why Lane is playing CF. I am sure the Astros have looked, are in the process of looking for, and will look in the future for a better backup to Pence in CF or even a guy that pushes Pence to RF. It shouldn't have been very hard to find a better defensive CF last offseason (although the Astros did not know they would need one) and it will not be very hard to find a better defensive CF this offseason. I was not critical of the Astros for not having a better alternative than Lane. I understand things get fucked up when your starting CF busts, your replacement CF gets injured, and your 3rd string guy is playing shortstop.

The cycle has been completed. Misinterpret what has been written, split hairs to the nth degree, and then finish with "typing tourettes" and "random words" all because I wasn't specific enough to avoid your semantical onslaught. I'll try to be extremely specific in the future to make it harder for you to be willfully obtuse.

Good.  Words have meaning.  Filter out all the whining and you have realized that you do not know how to use them.  Consider that in the future. 

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« Reply #92 on: August 10, 2007, 09:39:54 am »
Either you have some sort of typing tourettes where you type random words, or ...
I do suffer from typing tourettes or something like that from time to time.

Seems like I often will find that I have typed out when I meant our or things like that.  I view it more as fat-fingering (NTTAWWT) rather than tourettes though.  Although I have also been know to have my mind go faster than my fingers (also probably not an uncommon issue).  Where I am typing words and then skip the last few letters as I am going along.  This is what makes me thankful for spell checker and the like.  It is also why I have my things proof read when I can.  Actually I thin kthe proof reading thing actually occured more when I was still in school.

You see I was fortuately enough to find my wife when I was in school and thankfully she is often smarter than I.  So she was able to help me in areas I was not as good in, like paper writing for English and such.  Not that I didn't have good ideas and thoughts, but that often times getting to those ideas and thoughts was often difficult because of my spelling/grammer/typo issues.  So having her proof read my papers really paid big dividens... not to mention it gave a great excuse to spend more time together which often lead to other things which were much more fun than typing.  But that isn't really what I was talking about here.

See I also have typing issues from time to time where I hit the space bar before I am done typing the word I was typing (having read my stuff above, I see I have done that once here without even realizing it at the time, can you find it?).  So I think often times I am very spoiled by the word processor type capabilities we have today rather than the typewriter limitations I had when growing up.  So things I guess are easier, or nicer on us, allowing us to reduce our, typing tourettes, which is what I think I was trying to address in the beginnning... see there another one of those typing issues, multiple letters becoming more than they should have been.

I have intentionally left all my typos and stuff in here just to illustrate what kind of things can be left in if you don't spend the time to review your work before publishing..

Hmm, never though about that before, we are all publishing literary works here as we type out things.  Some are better than others, which I guess is true in the grand scheme of everything, sometimes you produce art, other times, just objects of ridicule.  But then I guess we have all ventured into both areas of that before.  some just wallow in the shallow end more than others... I guess that would be most people who are told to read more and post less.... come to think of that, I think I will read a little more now.  My fingers are starting to feel a need for rest.

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« Reply #93 on: August 10, 2007, 09:45:52 am »
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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #94 on: August 10, 2007, 09:48:59 am »
diarrhea of the fingers
Probably a result of all the recent DQ and BBQ talk.

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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #95 on: August 10, 2007, 10:00:20 am »
Probably a result of all the recent DQ and BBQ talk.

And definitely the Krystals
Always ready to go to a game.

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Re: Jason Lane
« Reply #96 on: August 10, 2007, 10:13:33 am »
Froback is channeling Berkman again....
It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of 'em was one kinda sombitch or another.