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Title: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: MusicMan on November 07, 2019, 01:00:19 pm
Astros announce that Reid Ryan will become”executive advisor, business operations” and that Jared Crane will lead business ops.


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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on November 07, 2019, 01:15:17 pm
Astros announce that Reid Ryan will become”executive advisor, business operations” and that Jared Crane will lead business ops.


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Here's an excerpt from the statement:

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1192514818151989248?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1192514818151989248?s=19)
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: MusicMan on November 07, 2019, 02:09:13 pm
Doesn’t sound like The Old Man is taking it well:

Mark Berman tweeted:
Hall of Famer Nolan Ryan says in a text message he will not continue in his role as an executive advisor to the owner of the #Astros: “I will not be back with the club and will leave it at that.”


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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 02:12:28 pm
Interesting about Reid. I wonder the inside story. Nolan Ryan is a world-class jerk who did nothing day to day but lend his name.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: BudGirl on November 07, 2019, 02:14:37 pm
Doesn’t sound like The Old Man is taking it well:

Mark Berman tweeted:
Hall of Famer Nolan Ryan says in a text message he will not continue in his role as an executive advisor to the owner of the #Astros: “I will not be back with the club and will leave it at that.”


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losing his seats?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: MusicMan on November 07, 2019, 02:23:12 pm
Interesting about Reid. I wonder the inside story. Nolan Ryan is a world-class jerk who did nothing day to day but lend his name.

The fact that they already announced Jared taking his place rather than searching for a replacement says to me that Jim wanted his son in the job to start grooming him, and shoved Reid out to make it happen.

I’ve seen speculation that this has something to do with the handling of Taubman but that makes no sense. If you’re looking for a fall guy then you make public that the move is for that reason.


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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 02:42:41 pm
The fact that they already announced Jared taking his place rather than searching for a replacement says to me that Jim wanted his son in the job to start grooming him, and shoved Reid out to make it happen.

I’ve seen speculation that this has something to do with the handling of Taubman but that makes no sense. If you’re looking for a fall guy then you make public that the move is for that reason.


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Yeah, well maybe. The press release was Reid’s ultimate responsibility. Seems more like your initial theory though. Reid is great at PR but is not a baseball guy. Nolan was a great pitcher who morphed into an ass.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: juliogotay on November 07, 2019, 02:47:51 pm
Interesting about Reid. I wonder the inside story. Nolan Ryan is a world-class jerk who did nothing day to day but lend his name.

Does Nolan have an official position with the club? Will be interesting to see who is providing the wienies next season.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 07, 2019, 02:49:42 pm
Interesting about Reid. I wonder the inside story. Nolan Ryan is a world-class jerk who did nothing day to day but lend his name.
I have seen what appeared to be a gracious side on rare occasions but Nolan has always been first and foremost a what-do-I-stand-to-gain-from-this kind of guy.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: MusicMan on November 07, 2019, 03:06:11 pm
Owner Jim Crane: “Nolan Ryan’s contract with the Astros as an executive advisor runs through Feb/2020. If Nolan has decided to step down that is his decision. Nolan will always be welcome at Minute Maid Park and at any Astros-related activities.”


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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Waldo on November 07, 2019, 03:06:53 pm
Does Nolan have an official position with the club? Will be interesting to see who is providing the wienies next season.
Special assistant or some such.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: juliogotay on November 07, 2019, 03:09:31 pm
The optics on this are horrible. And after the Taubman fiasco. Is Crane tone-deaf?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 07, 2019, 03:33:33 pm
The optics on this are horrible. And after the Taubman fiasco. Is Crane tone-deaf?

How are the optics horrible?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: The Third Man on November 07, 2019, 03:35:59 pm
I was about to bitch about nepotism and then I remembered that this is protesting Reid Ryan leaving, so...
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 03:49:11 pm
I have seen what appeared to be a gracious side on rare occasions but Nolan has always been first and foremost a what-do-I-stand-to-gain-from-this kind of guy.

I might know a little more than you about how he really is.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 03:49:47 pm
The optics on this are horrible. And after the Taubman fiasco. Is Crane tone-deaf?

Bullshit.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 03:50:57 pm
I was about to bitch about nepotism and then I remembered that this is protesting Reid Ryan leaving, so...

Nothing wrong with a business hiring a relative if the relative is competent or better.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on November 07, 2019, 04:12:00 pm
The optics are only terrible for the Ryans.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 07, 2019, 04:19:09 pm
I might know a little more than you about how he really is.
No doubt.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: toddthebod on November 07, 2019, 04:31:38 pm
So is Dollar Dog Night no longer going to be sponsored by Nolan Ryan Beef?  #importantquestions
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 04:38:28 pm
The optics are only terrible for the Ryans.

Exactly! Why do I agree with you so much? You should be concerned.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Limey on November 07, 2019, 05:53:15 pm
Yeah, well maybe. The press release was Reid’s ultimate responsibility. Seems more like your initial theory though. Reid is great at PR but is not a baseball guy. Nolan was a great pitcher who morphed into an ass.

The Rangers will do that to you.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: hostros7 on November 07, 2019, 07:18:55 pm
The fact that they already announced Jared taking his place rather than searching for a replacement says to me that Jim wanted his son in the job to start grooming him, and shoved Reid out to make it happen.


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Crane is the controlling owner, but far from the only owner. I’m surprised he was willing to jam his son into this role given that the minority owners own a significant portion of the team and would likely prefer to explore other options.


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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 07, 2019, 07:25:32 pm

Crane is the controlling owner, but far from the only owner. I’m surprised he was willing to jam his son into this role given that the minority owners own a significant portion of the team and would likely prefer to explore other options.


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How do you know the “likely” part? How do you know he did not discuss the changes with them?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Lefty on November 07, 2019, 11:36:26 pm
I know nothing about Crane Jr other than he's in his mid-30's... where'd he go to school, where'd he work afterwards?  Not that it's a be-all-end-all, but it's interesting to know.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Duman on November 08, 2019, 07:18:08 am
I know nothing about Crane Jr other than he's in his mid-30's... where'd he go to school, where'd he work afterwards?  Not that it's a be-all-end-all, but it's interesting to know.

GIFY - Here is his linkedin page (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredcrane1/)
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Dobro on November 08, 2019, 09:08:40 am
I know nothing about Crane Jr other than he's in his mid-30's... where'd he go to school, where'd he work afterwards?  Not that it's a be-all-end-all, but it's interesting to know.

If you're looking for something in his resume to support this move, you won't find it.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 08, 2019, 09:14:27 am
If you're looking for something in his resume to support this move, you won't find it.
Yes you will. It is right there in his name. I'm just grateful McLane's kids weren't interested back in the day.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: chuck on November 08, 2019, 09:22:37 am
Yes you will. It is right there in his name. I'm just grateful McLane's kids weren't interested back in the day.

McLane's kid was a Mets fan.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Texifornia on November 08, 2019, 09:27:35 am
Yes you will. It is right there in his name. I'm just grateful McLane's kids weren't interested back in the day.
I see no baseball background at all. I see a member of the lucky sperm club. He would not be considered for this job by any other team. That doesn't mean he won't be good at it, it just means he didn't get the job on merit.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Waldo on November 08, 2019, 09:32:59 am
I see no baseball background at all.

He's president of business operations.  He (presumably/hopefully) won't have much to do with the baseball side of things.

I see a member of the lucky sperm club. He would not be considered for this job by any other team. That doesn't mean he won't be good at it, it just means he didn't get the job on merit.

Also probably all true.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 08, 2019, 09:44:13 am
If you're looking for something in his resume to support this move, you won't find it.

So you see nothing in his resume that says he's capable of running a business?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 10:19:47 am
I see no baseball background at all. I see a member of the lucky sperm club. He would not be considered for this job by any other team. That doesn't mean he won't be good at it, it just means he didn't get the job on merit.

Reid Ryan did not have “a baseball job.” This is a corporate business position, not a baseball job. Luhnow and his staff handle baseball. How would you describe Reid Ryan if you think Crane’s son is nothing but a “lucky sperm?” Was Reid Ryan qualified (by your astute judgment) to run a professional franchise 20 years ago?

If a baseball background were required before being hired, many front offices in MLB would have to get rid of there nerds and analysts.

Y’all are just looking for something to bitch about.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: BudGirl on November 08, 2019, 10:23:45 am
Reid Ryan did not have “a baseball job.” This is a corporate business position, not a baseball job. Luhnow and his staff handle baseball.

If a baseball background were required before being hired, many front offices in MLB would have to get rid of there nerds and analysts.

Y’all are just looking for something to bitch about.

You worded that well, thank you.  I've been trying to figure out why so many are "up in arms" over this.  As long as things continue to get better  - I think they did under Reid - then woohoo for us!  As long as they leave Luhnow alone I'll be happy.

I think both Reid and Jared lucked out in the sperm pool. 
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on November 08, 2019, 10:29:13 am
You worded that well, thank you.  I've been trying to figure out why so many are "up in arms" over this.  As long as things continue to get better  - I think they did under Reid - then woohoo for us!  As long as they leave Luhnow alone I'll be happy.
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I think both Reid and Jared lucked out in the sperm pool.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 10:30:18 am
You worded that well, thank you.  I've been trying to figure out why so many are "up in arms" over this.  As long as things continue to get better  - I think they did under Reid - then woohoo for us!  As long as they leave Luhnow alone I'll be happy.

I think both Reid and Jared lucked out in the sperm pool.

Of course they did, but being lucky in being born well does not mean they lack talent or ability. Thinking otherwise without personal knowledge is an insult.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Mr. Happy on November 08, 2019, 10:35:27 am
Of course they did, but being lucky in being born well does not mean they lack talent or ability. Thinking otherwise without personal knowledge is an insult.

Exactly. Reid Ryan certainly benefitted from having a famous dad. However, as I understand it, he was the driving force behind the Hooks success and has done what appears to be a great job for the Astros. Jim Crane won't suffer fools for long, so if his son doesn't work out, I bet that he won't hesitate to take nexcessary steps to solve the problem.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: BudGirl on November 08, 2019, 11:08:19 am
Of course they did, but being lucky in being born well does not mean they lack talent or ability. Thinking otherwise without personal knowledge is an insult.

It was a comment on their genes not their capabilities. 
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: juliogotay on November 08, 2019, 11:17:12 am
Some public comments from the priniciples themselves:

(Crane) We felt at this time it was time for [Jared] to step in. I'm past retirement age, and he needs to learn the business if the family is going to retain the team...I'm not a spring chicken. I've been working hard for a long time, and in all of my stuff I'm building a succession plan. Baseball requires a plan in peace for each team, so we're doing that and planning for the family. It has nothing to do with Reid.

(Reid) Jim Crane has been a great owner for the city of Houston, and I thank him for the opportunity to lead the Houston Astros organization. Thank you to the many employees, fans, and partners that have supported this team during my tenure as president. Baseball is about bringing joy to people's lives and I take pride in knowing that we have made so many memories for our fans. While my role has changed, I will remain with the Astros and look forward to another great season in 2020.

Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Texifornia on November 08, 2019, 12:25:22 pm

(Crane) We felt at this time it was time for [Jared] to step in. I'm past retirement age, and he needs to learn the business if the family is going to retain the team...I'm not a spring chicken.
So Crane himself agrees with me. His son got the job because he is his son. Again, it doesn't imply nefarious motive, he is preparing a succession plan for the family to continue ownership of the team. If Jared is good at it, it bodes well for the team's future.

What did not happen was an executive search that yielded Jared Crane as the best candidate by pure coincidence. I hope he is good at the job because he probably won't be replaced if he isn't.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 08, 2019, 12:37:02 pm
I hoe this goes better than the succession plan in HBO’s series, Succession. 
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: homer on November 08, 2019, 12:51:46 pm
I hoe this goes better than the succession plan in HBO’s series, Succession. 

So sorry to here about Mo.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Waldo on November 08, 2019, 12:54:04 pm
What did not happen was an executive search that yielded Jared Crane as the best candidate by pure coincidence.

We don't really know if a search happened or not.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: doyce7 on November 08, 2019, 12:59:14 pm
So Crane himself agrees with me. His son got the job because he is his son. Again, it doesn't imply nefarious motive, he is preparing a succession plan for the family to continue ownership of the team. If Jared is good at it, it bodes well for the team's future.

What did not happen was an executive search that yielded Jared Crane as the best candidate by pure coincidence. I hope he is good at the job because he probably won't be replaced if he isn't.
His son got the job because presumably he will be the owner one day. Better he get involved in the business now so he can get the experience and be a good owner if and when that day comes. Let's not pretend this is unique, every owner of every professional sports team has their kids in high positions. It makes sense, if you were Crane and your son wanted to "join the family business" he would be hired the next day.

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Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: juliogotay on November 08, 2019, 01:33:53 pm
His son got the job because presumably he will be the owner one day. Better he get involved in the business now so he can get the experience and be a good owner if and when that day comes. Let's not pretend this is unique, every owner of every professional sports team has their kids in high positions. It makes sense, if you were Crane and your son wanted to "join the family business" he would be hired the next day.

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I've come around to this conclusion as well.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 01:54:02 pm
It was a comment on their genes not their capabilities.

Was not talking about what you said. Talking about others.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 01:55:44 pm
We don't really know if a search happened or not.

He is on a mission. Let him roll and hit the ignore button.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Texifornia on November 08, 2019, 03:19:25 pm
We don't really know if a search happened or not.
Crane said he was hired to set it up for family succession, why would he lie? Do you think if Jared was the result of an executive search that they wouldn't say so?

Again, I'm asserting nothing nefarious. If Crane Sr. wants to pass control of the team to his son it make sense to get him involved now. However, I see that Jared works for his father and probably always has, so I doubt he has "made his own way" in the world. However, if he is good at the job it could benefit us fans for decades.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 03:20:53 pm
Exactly. Reid Ryan certainly benefitted from having a famous dad. However, as I understand it, he was the driving force behind the Hooks success and has done what appears to be a great job for the Astros. Jim Crane won't suffer fools for long, so if his son doesn't work out, I bet that he won't hesitate to take nexcessary steps to solve the problem.

JJ Gotsch ran the Hooks, not Reid. JJ was Reid’s roommate at TCU, I think.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Bench on November 08, 2019, 03:31:33 pm
My understanding is that crane the younger is involved with a lot of Crane the senior’s businesses with the obvious intent of passing the torch.

And I join the chorus of many who chuckle at the indignation about nepotism in defense of Reid Ryan. 
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 08, 2019, 04:18:06 pm
My understanding is that crane the younger is involved with a lot of Crane the senior’s businesses with the obvious intent of passing the torch.

And I join the chorus of many who chuckle at the indignation about nepotism in defense of Reid Ryan.

Yep, me too. Sometimes righteous indignation is not righteous at all.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Arky Vaughan on November 08, 2019, 10:24:46 pm
It's a closely held private business. Who cares who the owners choose to run it?

My only concern is as a consumer who wants to spend my money on a competitive team (baseball side) and a pleasurable fan experience (operations side).

Crane can hire his son, his masseuse, his parrot, etc.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 09, 2019, 07:23:57 am
It's a closely held private business. Who cares who the owners choose to run it?

My only concern is as a consumer who wants to spend my money on a competitive team (baseball side) and a pleasurable fan experience (operations side).

Crane can hire his son, his masseuse, his parrot, etc.

Exactly. The outrage here is comical.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 09, 2019, 08:43:56 am
Exactly. The outrage here is comical.
Even more comical (regarding Nolan) are the Rangers fans clamoring to, "bring him back!"
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on November 09, 2019, 09:07:31 am


Crane can hire his son, his masseuse, his parrot, etc.

As long as it isn't Correa's masseuse.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 09, 2019, 09:08:46 am
Even more comical (regarding Nolan) are the Rangers fans clamoring to, "bring him back!"

Ha! They forgot how he left.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 09, 2019, 09:10:32 am
Even more comical (regarding Nolan) are the Rangers fans clamoring to, "bring him back!"

Nolan  Ryan is a Ranger.  He will always be a Ranger.  He sold his Astros...ness...years ago.  Fuck him.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Waldo on November 09, 2019, 10:27:42 am
Nolan  Ryan is a Ranger.  He will always be a Ranger.  He sold his Astros...ness...years ago.  Fuck him.

He switches allegiances when it suits him.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 09, 2019, 01:17:11 pm
The groveling of Ryan's schlong knows no bounds in DFW. This idiot bastard is just making up his own version of alternate facts. (https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2019/11/07/could-nolan-ryans-abrupt-exit-from-the-astros-organization-mean-a-return-to-the-rangers/) Not ot be outdone, this dumb-as-a-turd dipshit is just as ill-informed. (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article237141224.html) WTF is wrong with so many of those people up there?
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: chuck on November 09, 2019, 01:22:25 pm
The deification of Nolan Ryan is and has always been a total mystery to me.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Mr. Happy on November 10, 2019, 12:54:07 am
He switches allegiances when it suits him.

Exactly. He's like the territorial tribal fighters in Afghanistan. Fuck Nolan Ryan.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: Waldo on November 10, 2019, 08:22:30 am
The groveling of Ryan's schlong knows no bounds in DFW. This idiot bastard is just making up his own version of alternate facts. (https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2019/11/07/could-nolan-ryans-abrupt-exit-from-the-astros-organization-mean-a-return-to-the-rangers/) Not ot be outdone, this dumb-as-a-turd dipshit is just as ill-informed. (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article237141224.html) WTF is wrong with so many of those people up there?

Can't read because paywall, but I fully expect Nolan to go back to the Rangers in some capacity, because that would be completely on brand for him.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 10, 2019, 10:06:32 am
The deification of Nolan Ryan is and has always been a total mystery to me.

Agreed, especially after my realization of how he treats those close to him.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: drew corleone on November 12, 2019, 02:01:08 pm
McLane's kid was a Mets fan.
Still is, as far as I know. I know that he does not follow the Astros anymore.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: NeilT on November 14, 2019, 12:34:04 pm
I've wondered if Reid Ryan wasn't tied to how the press release on Taubman was handled.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: JimR on November 14, 2019, 12:37:31 pm
I've wondered if Reid Ryan wasn't tied to how the press release on Taubman was handled.

I have also. That was one of his areas of responsibility.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: BUWebguy on November 14, 2019, 02:31:50 pm
I've wondered if Reid Ryan wasn't tied to how the press release on Taubman was handled.

FWIW, Crane told the Chronicle the move had nothing to do with the Taubman ordeal.
Title: Re: Reid Ryan phasing out
Post by: NeilT on November 14, 2019, 03:07:29 pm
FWIW, Crane told the Chronicle the move had nothing to do with the Taubman ordeal.

I didn't see that, thanks.