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Title: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 05:07:48 pm
I believe Brian Anderson thinks he will die if he stops talking.
Title: NLDS
Post by: geezerdonk on October 03, 2019, 05:41:11 pm
Not sure why Keuchel got pulled. He wasn't getting hit hard.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 06:03:12 pm
Cards are going to regret squandering these chances.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 06:09:03 pm
Not sure why Keuchel got pulled. He wasn't getting hit hard.

He gets a lot worse with times thru the order. That plus Goldy plus go-ahead RISP.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 06:19:04 pm
Wow, Cervelli got screwed on that checked-swing call.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 06:23:19 pm
Cards stepping on their dicks.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 03, 2019, 06:24:41 pm
Can’t win playing sloppy baseball. I sure hate that chant.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Aussie Astro on October 03, 2019, 06:37:38 pm
Can’t win playing sloppy baseball. I sure hate that chant.

In general, I like chants.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Tom Servo on October 03, 2019, 06:47:24 pm
Can’t win playing sloppy baseball. I sure hate that chant.
Another reason to dislike Neon Deion.

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 06:51:29 pm
Acuna still has a few things to learn about baserunning.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 03, 2019, 07:08:45 pm
Can’t win playing sloppy baseball. I sure hate that chant.

Not watching,  yet the visceral repulsion just from thinking about that chant makes me want to hurl.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 03, 2019, 07:15:15 pm
Tie game. Wong was out by a mile.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 07:16:08 pm
Tie game. Wong was out by a mile.

Yeah. It was a good throw but it was also a pretty lousy send, I think.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 07:46:32 pm
Yeah. It was a good throw but it was also a pretty lousy send, I think.

Especially considering he's still nursing an iffy hamstring.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Ty in Tampa on October 03, 2019, 07:48:24 pm
Shitbirds take the lead on a 2-run double by Ozuna.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 07:48:50 pm
Melancon coughing it up.

I want to say I went on record here to Mrs banedoodle that I liked Shildt's move of bringing in his closer in a tie game in the 8th. She had no idea what I was talking about of course but I did go on record.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Ty in Tampa on October 03, 2019, 07:49:10 pm
2 more runs on a 2-run double by Wong. 7-3 Shitbirds.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 03, 2019, 07:50:30 pm
The co-ard fan next to me says that "What's Up?" Is her favorite song in the whole world.

Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Ty in Tampa on October 03, 2019, 07:54:53 pm
The co-ard fan next to me says that "What's Up?" Is her favorite song in the whole world.



I'd say, "Hey!"
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 07:57:32 pm
I'd say, "Hey!"

Nice!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 03, 2019, 08:02:29 pm
Alanis is playing now. She's unmoved.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Ty in Tampa on October 03, 2019, 08:04:46 pm
The fucker who is not to be named is the bench coach for the Braves?? Go Shitbirds!!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 03, 2019, 08:07:36 pm
"Motherfucker" she says
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 08:08:04 pm
The fucker who is not to be named is the bench coach for the Braves?? Go Shitbirds!!

Shit, I went and looked that up. I wish I hadn't. Although I suppose we could look at this as a potential opportunity to right old wrongs.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 08:08:28 pm
Hmm, I'm thinking about going on the record again over here...
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 03, 2019, 08:27:32 pm
The co-ard fan next to me says that "What's Up?" Is her favorite song in the whole world.
Only slightly less horrible than Gloria.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 03, 2019, 08:34:05 pm
After hearing the tomahawk chop chant all game long I've decided to root for the shit birds. I'm still undecided about the Dodgers and Nats. I guess the Nats.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 03, 2019, 08:38:28 pm
After hearing the tomahawk chop chant all game long I've decided to root for the shit birds. I'm still undecided about the Dodgers and Nats. I guess the Nats.

That button. That button right there is easy. Try harder.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 08:46:39 pm
I went to grad school with an Utz heiress who bears a distinct resemblance to the animated one riding the little bike.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 03, 2019, 09:10:50 pm
Corbin and Buehler both around 75 pitches thru 4. Doesn't bode well for the Nats.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: hostros7 on October 03, 2019, 09:30:37 pm
The Rendon non-out play was ludicrous


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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 09:37:03 pm
The Rendon non-out play was ludicrous

So was the Kendrick non-out play, but not for the same reason.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 03, 2019, 10:00:10 pm
Only slightly less horrible than Gloria.
Whoa!! Now yer talkin bout a classic!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 03, 2019, 10:21:09 pm
Anybody who relies on Fernando Rodney is doomed.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 03, 2019, 10:26:18 pm
Anything can happen in a short series and all that; but, I don't see any of the other teams in the NL really challenging the Dodgers.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 03, 2019, 10:33:00 pm
Maeda had the Nats swatting at gnats.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 03, 2019, 10:37:19 pm
Anybody who relies on Fernando Rodney is doomed.

No respect, no respect I tell ya.

-Fernando Rodney Dangerfield.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 03, 2019, 10:38:27 pm
Nice snag by Eaton.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 03, 2019, 11:13:25 pm
Dodgers win 6-0.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 04, 2019, 07:45:37 am
That button. That button right there is easy. Try harder.
I switched to the Cardinals radio broadcast and still heard the dame chant in the background.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 04, 2019, 07:49:14 am
Acuna still has a few things to learn about baserunning.
He is 21 and has $100,000,000.00 guaranteed. He probably doesn't think he needs to learn anything.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 04, 2019, 08:11:50 am
The fucker who is not to be named is the bench coach for the Braves?? Go Shitbirds!!

Man, when I heard his name on the TV I started grumbling incoherently.  When my family showed some concern I had to verbally relive the 1999 NLDS to explain my hatred for a man I've never met.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Fredia on October 04, 2019, 09:28:38 am
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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 04, 2019, 09:58:36 pm
Strasburg is dealing in L.A. Perfect through four.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 04, 2019, 11:39:30 pm
Scherzer on in the 8th protecting a 2 run lead. He is to start Sunday.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Texifornia on October 05, 2019, 12:17:36 am
In spite of the idiocy of intentionally walking the tying run, the Dodgers leave the bases loaded and the Nats get out of L.A. with a 4-2 win and the split.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Aussie Astro on October 05, 2019, 12:32:45 am
In spite of the idiocy of intentionally walking the tying run, the Dodgers leave the bases loaded and the Nats get out of L.A. with a 4-2 win and the split.

I thought Bellinger would have been the one to pitch around, but you can't argue with the result.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: das on October 06, 2019, 12:53:33 pm
I need, NEED the Nats to win this series.  And the next.  Need them to.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 06, 2019, 03:03:05 pm
Pedro Martinez resembles a thumb puppet.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 06, 2019, 05:33:02 pm
Exciting moment in this pitchers duel. Bases full of Braves with two outs, they're down one nill. Andrew Miller relieving Wainwright to face Freddie Freeman.

Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 06, 2019, 05:36:16 pm
And Freeman very undramatically flies out to center on the second pitch.

Love to watch a team try to win a 1-0 game in the postseason.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: jbm on October 06, 2019, 06:14:19 pm
I guess it made sense to walk McCann, but it sure backfired big time.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 06, 2019, 06:35:25 pm
I guess it made sense to walk McCann, but it sure backfired big time.
I like the Hinch approach to IBBs.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 06, 2019, 07:04:16 pm
Cards demonstrate what *could* have happened in the 9th last night.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 06, 2019, 07:11:28 pm
Hell of a game. Lot of momentum for the Bravos tomorrow.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Mr. Happy on October 07, 2019, 03:27:16 pm
I don't give a shit about what anyone says, but Wainright is a bulldog money pitcher. 38. Marginal stuff. In the playoffs? Nails. He should sue his offense for non-support.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: JimR on October 07, 2019, 04:27:15 pm
Cards demonstrate what *could* have happened in the 9th last night.

But did not.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 07, 2019, 05:54:22 pm
Freeman with a high school mistake at 1B just cost the Braves a chance to end the 9th in St Louis.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 07, 2019, 06:17:14 pm
Molina with a 2-out bloop single ties it in the 8th then wins it in the 10th with a sac fly. Braves and Cardinals will go the distance.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on October 07, 2019, 06:31:16 pm
Freeman with a high school mistake at 1B just cost the Braves a chance to end the 9th in St Louis.
Yep. That error should be his, not the RF’s.


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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 07, 2019, 07:40:23 pm
Holy shit. Zimmerman and the Nats. I don't know of any other story in baseball like it.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 07, 2019, 09:06:07 pm
Dodgers/Nats will also go the distance.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: das on October 07, 2019, 09:30:01 pm
I watched 5 or so innings of this game. Man, even in a loosing cause, the Dodgers sure put up good at bats.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on October 08, 2019, 05:16:46 pm
Molina better not ever get in someone's face about hot dogging a homer again.  Once you bat flip on a sac fly, your moral high ground is gone.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: MRaup on October 08, 2019, 06:16:00 pm
Molina better not ever get in someone's face about hot dogging a homer again.  Once you bat flip on a sac fly, your moral high ground is gone.

What's your stance on neck tattoos?
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: chuck on October 08, 2019, 06:41:30 pm
What's your stance on neck tattoos?

My stance is once you get one, go ahead and get some more.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Tom Servo on October 09, 2019, 04:21:26 pm
Braves are getting jumped on by the Cards.  Folty already out of the game, 5-0 Cards with 1 out in the first.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Tom Servo on October 09, 2019, 04:22:18 pm
7-0.
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Post by: Tom Servo on October 09, 2019, 04:23:05 pm
9-0... you get the idea.  still 1 out in the first. 
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Bench on October 09, 2019, 04:37:38 pm
10-0 by the time it gets to the bottom of the first.

10 runs on 5 hits (3 doubles), 4 walks and an error.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Tom Servo on October 09, 2019, 04:44:18 pm
10-0 by the time it gets to the bottom of the first.

10 runs on 5 hits (3 doubles), 4 walks and an error.

The Freeman error was huge.  If he makes the play and turns two, the inning is over with the cards only up 1-0. 
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 09, 2019, 04:53:03 pm
The Cardinals made defensive substitutions in the bottom of the first.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: MusicMan on October 09, 2019, 05:09:47 pm
Even Andrew Jackson thinks this is harsh.


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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 09, 2019, 05:20:38 pm
Take Flaherty out? Keep him fresh for the NLCS?
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Bench on October 09, 2019, 05:23:16 pm
Take Flaherty out? Keep him fresh for the NLCS?

He has more plate appearances than innings pitched.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Bench on October 09, 2019, 05:28:46 pm
Even Andrew Jackson thinks this is harsh.


Sherman too.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 09, 2019, 05:36:05 pm
Looks like the Cardinals got this one won.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 09, 2019, 05:40:05 pm
Looks like the Cardinals got this one won.
It ain’t over til it’s over.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: JimR on October 09, 2019, 05:42:45 pm
It ain’t over til it’s over.

Absolutely
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: MRaup on October 09, 2019, 05:43:16 pm
It ain’t over til it’s over.

According to the Law of Averages, the Cardinals will score -10 runs after scoring -3 next inning.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 09, 2019, 05:46:56 pm
Maybe the Brave fans need to chant louder.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: chuck on October 09, 2019, 06:47:06 pm
I managed to talk myself into rooting for the Braves this series. I'll surely root for the Cardinals in the next, whoever they play.

I guess root is a little strong. Discover a mild preference for. Or better, find fewer objections to.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 09, 2019, 07:10:50 pm
I can't bring myself to root for the Cardinals.  Not that I mind any of *them*, but  I have a friend who is a huge Cardinals fan, and while he is a good guy, smart, reasonable baseball fan, his wife is insufferable.  She's the kind that when you go watch a game at the bar with them, she's decked out in feathers and sequins and yells in your ear every time a Cardinal draws a walk. 
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 07:25:33 pm
I've been rooting for the Nationals and was not actively rooting against the Braves.

Of course, that'll mean a Dodgers-Cardinals NLCS in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Tom Servo on October 09, 2019, 07:36:17 pm
I've been rooting for the Nationals and was not actively rooting against the Braves.

Of course, that'll mean a Dodgers-Cardinals NLCS in 3... 2... 1...
Well stop rooting for the Astros!

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 09, 2019, 07:48:32 pm
Can't stand Molina.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 09, 2019, 07:55:44 pm
Can't stand Molina.

Molina is a Major League douchebag.  But he's a helluva player.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 09, 2019, 08:07:48 pm
Molina is a Major League douchebag.  But he's a helluva player.

Yes and yes.

Hope he and Chipper's plaques are on the men's room floor in Cooperstown.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 09, 2019, 08:27:24 pm
I don't like the Cardinal or Dodger or National or Yankee teams.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 09, 2019, 08:28:37 pm
McCann announced his retirement after the game.

Tip of the cap for a fine career and a heartfelt thank you for his 2 years as an Astro.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 09, 2019, 08:30:01 pm
I like the Cardinal strategy of scoring 10 runs in the first inning. The Astros should steal it.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 09, 2019, 08:50:38 pm
They just bumped about three seconds of The Toadie's Possum Kingdom as they went to break in the LA vs DC game.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Lefty on October 09, 2019, 08:52:37 pm
They just bumped about three seconds of The Toadie's Possum Kingdom as they went to break in the LA vs DC game.
Toad the Wet Sprocket would have been more appropriate for the LA crew.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: chuck on October 09, 2019, 10:14:57 pm
Toad the Wet Sprocket would have been more appropriate for the LA crew.

Solid.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: austro on October 09, 2019, 10:21:13 pm
Toad the Wet Sprocket would have been more appropriate for the LA crew.

Something's always wrong.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 10:34:57 pm
Holy shit.  Kershaw gives up solo HRs on back-to-back pitches in the top of the 8th.  Tie game.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: jbm on October 09, 2019, 10:37:26 pm
Soto is something else.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Snuffy on October 09, 2019, 10:38:16 pm
Holy shit.  Kershaw gives up solo HRs on back-to-back pitches in the top of the 8th.  Tie game.

Getting interesting!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: The Spleen on October 09, 2019, 10:40:23 pm
The awful things happening to the favorites today and tonight are not making me feel better about tomorrow...
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 11:13:18 pm
In the bottom of the 9th, Will Harris Smith drives the ball to deep right, flips the bat... and it's a routine catch on the warning track.

To extra innings!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Snuffy on October 09, 2019, 11:20:19 pm
The awful things happening to the favorites today and tonight are not making me feel better about tomorrow...
Understand, but wouldn't put LA losing their lead as awful.  I kinda like it....
Hope our guys show up tomorrow.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 09, 2019, 11:22:24 pm
Walking Soto is a bold move.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 11:24:10 pm
Salami in the top of the 10th.  Wowwwwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: chuck on October 09, 2019, 11:27:24 pm
Baseball is quite a game.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Snuffy on October 09, 2019, 11:29:20 pm
Baseball is quite a game.

Indeed. 
Worth watching to the end of the game.....

(Added later) Prime example for not using IBB, esp to load the bases.....
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 11:39:34 pm
Indeed. 
Worth watching to the end of the game.....

(Added later) Prime example for not using IBB, esp to load the bases.....

Definitely a riskier move with no outs vs. 1 out.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Snuffy on October 09, 2019, 11:42:36 pm
Listening to the Dodgers radio broadcast....
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 09, 2019, 11:44:39 pm
Nice diving catch by Michael A. Taylor in CF seals it.  Nationals/Cardinals NLCS.  Holy shit.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Jacksonian on October 09, 2019, 11:49:50 pm
My knee jerk reaction is that Roberts is not a good enough manager.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: SoonerJim on October 09, 2019, 11:52:17 pm
Nice diving catch by Michael A. Taylor in CF seals it.  Nationals/Cardinals NLCS.  Holy shit.

The first 106 game winning team to lose in the division series,  a record. I hope our team was watching this. Seeing LA lose gives me great joy
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 09, 2019, 11:52:21 pm
My knee jerk reaction is that Roberts is not a good enough manager.

Hard to believe he left Kelly in.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Mr. Happy on October 10, 2019, 02:32:44 am
My knee jerk reaction is that Roberts is not a good enough manager.

Hinch exposed his managerial deficiencies in the 2017 World Series. I think that he's a terrible manager.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: moriartp on October 10, 2019, 05:38:23 am
I need, NEED the Nats to win this series.  And the next.  Need them to.

!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: MusicMan on October 10, 2019, 07:39:17 am
My knee jerk reaction is that Roberts is not a good enough manager.

He deserves to be second guessed forever for putting Kershaw in there.


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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 10, 2019, 08:00:19 am
Listen to  the Cardinals manager's profanity laced victory speech here (https://twitter.com/stlsportscntrl/status/1182095291572461568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1182095291572461568&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fextra-mustard%2F2019%2F10%2F10%2Fcardinals-manager-mike-shildt-speech-video).
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 10, 2019, 08:14:05 am
Hinch exposed his managerial deficiencies in the 2017 World Series. I think that he's a terrible manager.

Agreed.  It's not a knee jerk reaction, it's been demonstrated time and time again.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: juliogotay on October 10, 2019, 09:07:17 am
He deserves to be second guessed forever for putting Kershaw in there.


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The best pitcher in baseball?
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: MusicMan on October 10, 2019, 10:19:04 am
The best pitcher in baseball?

If you think he’s been that the last couple of years, check again.


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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: doyce7 on October 10, 2019, 11:15:02 am
If you think he’s been that the last couple of years, check again.


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I can name 5 before it even becomes a debate just off the top of my head

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: das on October 10, 2019, 11:16:10 am
The best pitcher in baseball?

Worst year of his last 10.  FB velocity down.  Slider had no bite over the last 2 months.  Just a mind-boggling move by the New Tank Commander.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: jbm on October 10, 2019, 11:19:50 am
More importantly, has he succeeded in a reliever’s role before?  I don’t know, maybe he has, but just being a great pitcher doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be great in an unfamiliar role.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Limey on October 10, 2019, 11:26:50 am
Kinda puts an end to the debate about whether to start JV on Tuesday or have him available in the pen.  He gave up 3 runs very quickly, but there was still plenty of time to recover from that.  Doing that in the 7th or later is an atomic cockpunch*.

* I am not sure where on this scale sits giving up 10 in the 1st. 
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: doyce7 on October 10, 2019, 11:27:03 am
More importantly, has he succeeded in a reliever’s role before?  I don’t know, maybe he has, but just being a great pitcher doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be great in an unfamiliar role.
He's been mostly successful in the few times he's been asked to do it. It gets forgotten because they were already down and never came back but he threw 4 scoreless innings against the Astros in game 7 to give the Dodgers a chance to come back. Had been scoreless in his last 3 postseason relief appearances before last night.

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on October 10, 2019, 11:28:02 am
Not going to Jansen sooner is crazy, too.  He and Kershaw were warming up at the same time, but Jansen didn't pitch until after the grand slam.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: doyce7 on October 10, 2019, 11:28:28 am
Kinda puts an end to the debate about whether to start JV on Tuesday or have him available in the pen.  He gave up 3 runs very quickly, but there was still plenty of time to recover from that.  Doing that in the 7th or later is an atomic cockpunch*.

* I am not sure where on this scale sits giving up 10 in the 1st.
I think giving up 10 in the first inning is basically punching yourself in the dick repeatedly for 3 hours

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: doyce7 on October 10, 2019, 11:29:42 am
Not going to Jansen sooner is crazy, too.  He and Kershaw were warming up at the same time, but Jansen didn't pitch until after the grand slam.
Don't lose the game with your best pitcher sitting in the bullpen. That by itself is a fireable offense

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Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: jbm on October 10, 2019, 11:30:41 am
He's been mostly successful in the few times he's been asked to do it. It gets forgotten because they were already down and never came back but he threw 4 scoreless innings against the Astros in game 7 to give the Dodgers a chance to come back. Had been scoreless in his last 3 postseason relief appearances before last night.

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Thanks. That makes the move seem reasonable, IMO.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 10, 2019, 12:15:25 pm
Not going to Jansen sooner is crazy, too.  He and Kershaw were warming up at the same time, but Jansen didn't pitch until after the grand slam.

After walking Soto and loading the bases, he should have changed. After the grand slam, Kelly pitched to two more batters!
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 10, 2019, 01:09:08 pm
As I understand it Kershaw was pretty excellent in the second half. I thought leaving him in to face Soto made sense.

And Jansen really didn't have a very good year, but it is nuts that Kelly stayed in so long.

All these scandalous IBBs make Hinch's policy on them--as someone noted earlier--look especially smart.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: juliogotay on October 10, 2019, 01:36:17 pm
If you think he’s been that the last couple of years, check again.


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That was intended as sarcasm on my part and, clearly, I failed miserably. I have been tired of the Kershaw worship since 2017. He seems to still be a good pitcher but he fails in the most inopportune times (if you are a Dodger teammate, coach or fan).
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Waldo on October 10, 2019, 01:38:54 pm
Yeah, I feel like the IBB to Soto to load the bases with no outs in a tie game was a worse call than throwing Kershaw.  Yeah, it's Soto, and yeah, it makes a force play possible anywhere.  But it also puts all of the runners - notably, the runner on third - in motion on any ground ball, and that run likely scores on a grounder of any reasonable depth.  I would have preferred to take my chances with first base open, make the runner have to think about whether he'll break for home or not, and either hold him or cut him down at the plate.

With one out, or with a different score, the IBB would make a lot more sense to me.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Jacksonian on October 10, 2019, 01:54:25 pm
As I understand it Kershaw was pretty excellent in the second half. I thought leaving him in to face Soto made sense.

And Jansen really didn't have a very good year, but it is nuts that Kelly stayed in so long.

All these scandalous IBBs make Hinch's policy on them--as someone noted earlier--look especially smart.

It was the 8th inning.  He didn't need Kershaw to be the setup man or extended closer.  He should have brought Kelly or Maeda in to start the 8th.  2 of the 3 first batters were right handed.  If they pitch the way they're capable you go to the 9th with the lead.  If he doesn't get Rendon, you bring in the LOOGY Kolarek to face Soto.  Afterward you bring in Kelly or Maeda whoever didn't start the inning.  At that point you've got the bottom half of their order.  If you don't think Jansen can handle that he has no reason to be on the roster.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: JimR on October 10, 2019, 02:39:35 pm
It was the 8th inning.  He didn't need Kershaw to be the setup man or extended closer.  He should have brought Kelly or Maeda in to start the 8th.  2 of the 3 first batters were right handed.  If they pitch the way they're capable you go to the 9th with the lead.  If he doesn't get Rendon, you bring in the LOOGY Kolarek to face Soto.  Afterward you bring in Kelly or Maeda whoever didn't start the inning.  At that point you've got the bottom half of their order.  If you don't think Jansen can handle that he has no reason to be on the roster.

This.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 10, 2019, 02:55:49 pm
Nevermind. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on October 10, 2019, 05:18:30 pm
If you don't think Jansen can handle that he has no reason to be on the roster.

I'm not sure about this argument anymore. A cousin of mine was saying Why the fuck is Urquidy on the roster if he doesn't start game 4, and I'm saying: He's on the roster because they thought he was the best of their remaining options, which does not necessitate playing a guy in any given situation.

The Astros had Wayne Franklin on the roster but I don't think Dierker was wrong not to pitch him against Bonds.

The Dodgers I imagine would've felt comfortable bringing Jansen in up multiple runs for a save. He's blown 8 this year. I imagine Dave Roberts thought that Kershaw--who'd K'd the last batter of the 7th on three straight--was as good or better an option against Rendon and Soto  than anybody else he had. Which isn't an insane proposition. Increasingly the new paradigm is: in the postseason, in do-or-die games, throw your best arms. This is not controversial. He might also have known something about Jansen nobody else did, and might have been saving Kolarek and Maeda et al for hypothetical match-ups in the 9th.

The Roberts Dodgers have won 393 regular season games over the last four years. If you say he's a shitty manager, then you have to admit they've done a pretty decent job succeeding in spite of him. Maybe you want to make the argument he's a good regular season manager and a lousy postseason manager. My hunch is that he's a system manager, and that he's implementing the will of Andrew Friedman.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 10, 2019, 05:28:39 pm
If you say he's a shitty manager, then you have to admit they've done a pretty decent job succeeding in spite of him. Maybe you want to make the argument he's a good regular season manager and a lousy postseason manager. My hunch is that he's a system manager, and that he's implementing the will of Andrew Friedman.
I'll take door #1.  A good manager adjusts for situations, including the overall importance of an individual game, which does vary between regular season and post-season, but which also has variations within either.  Roberts seems consistently to be wrong-footed by the other manager's moves.  The talent on the recent Dodgers teams carries him, but he does not seem to recognize what is happening to him on the chessboard.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: homer on October 10, 2019, 05:38:12 pm
Rosenthal described Roberts as comfortable in the games that go according to plan, but unable to make adjustments.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 10, 2019, 06:04:48 pm
Rosenthal described Roberts as comfortable in the games that go according to plan, but unable to make adjustments.
There's no place for sentiment in a MLB manager's mind. That was/is Roberts' fatal flaw.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Mr. Happy on October 10, 2019, 09:09:46 pm

The Roberts Dodgers have won 393 regular season games over the last four years. If you say he's a shitty manager, then you have to admit they've done a pretty decent job succeeding in spite of him. Maybe you want to make the argument he's a good regular season manager and a lousy postseason manager. My hunch is that he's a system manager, and that he's implementing the will of Andrew Friedman.

My Lord, man. The Dojers  front office and ownership assembled a team for the ages, which is why Roberts has succeeded during the regular season. However, it's clear beyond cavil that he's been questioned and lampooned by people who know concerning his in-game moves during the playoffs. I subscribe to the school (as does AJ Hinch) where in the playoffs, you put your best arm out there, irrespective of whether they've been a starter or reliever. Hinch noticeably out managed Roberts during the 2017 World Series. Some of Roberts moves in the 2018 WS quickened the end of the series in a negative way. He's just not that bright, or he doesn't listen to his bench coach or his bench coach isn't worth a shit. Either way, it's in the game management of the team. I will be shocked if he isn't shitcanned.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on October 11, 2019, 08:19:12 am
The LA Times is reporting that the Dodgers intend to keep Roberts.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: TeeJoe on October 11, 2019, 08:26:55 am
I'll take door #1.  A good manager adjusts for situations, including the overall importance of an individual game, which does vary between regular season and post-season, but which also has variations within either.  Roberts seems consistently to be wrong-footed by the other manager's moves.  The talent on the recent Dodgers teams carries him, but he does not seem to recognize what is happening to him on the chessboard.
This! This talented Dojers teams can carry his faulty decisions against lesser talented teams in the regular season. In the regular season it doesn't get highlighted on a regular basis for this reason. Faced with matching talent in the postseason and it comes to light.
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Limey on October 11, 2019, 10:21:35 am
This! This talented Dojers teams can carry his faulty decisions against lesser talented teams in the regular season. In the regular season it doesn't get highlighted on a regular basis for this reason. Faced with matching talent in the postseason and it comes to light.

It was a featured contrast in the 2017 WS, with Roberts grinding through his pitchers while Hinch let Charlie Morton pitch the last 4 innings of Game #7. 
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: VirtualBob on October 11, 2019, 02:56:46 pm
The LA Times is reporting that the Dodgers intend to keep Roberts.
Good news for the rest of the NL?
Title: Re: NLDS
Post by: Snuffy on October 11, 2019, 03:13:56 pm
The LA Times is reporting that the Dodgers intend to keep Roberts.
Good news for the rest of the NL?
According to the NYP  (https://nypost.com/2019/10/11/dodgers-quickly-decide-dave-roberts-fate-after-playoff-debacle/)he has three years remaining on his contract (thru 2022) and the Dodgers expect to honor it.