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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Tom Servo on February 27, 2019, 10:05:26 am
Julia Morales tweet:
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RHP Josh James suffered a right quad strain and is no longer a candidate for the starting rotation. He played catch today and Astros are hopeful he’ll pitch in enough games to be in the bullpen on Opening Day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on February 27, 2019, 10:17:05 am
My least favorite thread to appear.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on February 27, 2019, 10:37:02 am
And so it begins
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on February 27, 2019, 10:38:53 am
Shit. He'll be extremely fun to watch out of the bullpen, but shit.


@Chandler_Rome: A.J. Hinch on the fifth starter competition without Josh James: “The kids that everyone will immediately go to — Whitley, Martin, Bukauskas — those guys are not options to break out of camp. They’re not ready to jump into a rotation.”

Candidates remain Peacock, Valdez, Rodgers


Rome also adds Perez & Armenteros are candidates as well.

ETA: But see McTaggart—"The fifth starter competition is essentially down to Peacock and Valdez."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on February 27, 2019, 11:36:03 am
Peacock. He might have won it anyway.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 27, 2019, 12:29:35 pm
Peacock. He might have won it anyway.
Yeah, it’ll be Brad. He will probably have to pitch his way out of the spot rather than the others pitching their way into it. Having said that, I hope it is the 2017 dominant version of Brad Peacock and not what we saw last year. Not that he was bad, he just didn’t look as sharp as the year before. Admittedly, that was a career year so it will be hard to repeat, but we can hope.

I think we will be fine no matter who winds up in the rotation or the bullpen. I actually think there may be a little more pressure coming out of the bullpen so Peacock might handle that better. But again, I think we are fine either way. One of the things I love about baseball is when the young kids get their shot. As such, I am really rooting for Perez, Valdez and Armenteros. Valdez just has to throw a few more strikes and he will be solid. Perez has got to move the ball around a little better and keep it in the yard. His stuff looks electric. And Armenteros, well, I really liked what I saw from him last spring. I believe he has a chance to be sneaky good. He may be the sleeper in the bunch excluding Whitley, Martin and JBB.

Cant wait for the season to get going.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on February 27, 2019, 12:34:11 pm
not to insult  any bb gods but may this be the beginning and end of the list
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on February 27, 2019, 01:41:43 pm
not to insult  any bb gods but may this be the beginning and end of the list

McHugh was scheduled for two innings but came out after one due to back soreness.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on February 27, 2019, 01:44:24 pm
Peacock would already have been in most (if not every) other teams’ rotation plans. They have built incredible depth in this organization.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on February 28, 2019, 09:14:56 pm
I think James could be a force out of the pen. 7th or 8th inning shut-down guy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on February 28, 2019, 09:28:40 pm
I think James could be a force out of the pen. 7th or 8th inning shut-down guy.
No doubt.  He could also throw 100ish innings as a starter.  So could Framber, Whitley or a bunch of other guys.

I hope that Cionel Perez just tears it up in ST this year, I liked watching him in his brief appearances.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 01, 2019, 02:11:45 pm
Dean Deetz has right shoulder soreness.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 02, 2019, 11:47:37 am
Dean Deetz has right shoulder soreness.

Deetz "is a couple of weeks away from getting into games" says McTaggart (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/astros-pitchers-easing-into-spring-games).

We'll see how well that timeline holds up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 03, 2019, 09:27:22 am
McHugh was scheduled for two innings but came out after one due to back soreness.

And now is being skipped in his next start (which was scheduled for tomorrow) and won't pitch again until next weekend.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 03, 2019, 10:32:37 am
And now is being skipped in his next start (which was scheduled for tomorrow) and won't pitch again until next weekend.

ST trade for a pitcher?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on March 03, 2019, 10:37:25 am
ST trade for a pitcher?

I wonder how far apart they and DK are. I don't know about all you guys, but I am worried about the starting rotation after Verlander and Cole.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 03, 2019, 11:30:51 am
I wonder how far apart they and DK are. I don't know about all you guys, but I am worried about the starting rotation after Verlander and Cole.
I would think they are VERY far apart. If you are Dallas, if you take any number below the qualifying offer you are admitting failure. If you are Houston, anything close to the qualifying offer puts you so close to the tax threshold that your options come trade deadline time are slim and none if wanting to acquire an impact player. Now Crane could change his mind and tell Luhnow that he can go over the threshold for one year. That tax for one year wouldn’t be bad, but all I’ve heard is that they won’t go over. I would think that LA, Atlanta and Philly would offer more money than Houston in any short or long term deal.

Jim, in his post above about a ST trade, may be on to something.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on March 03, 2019, 12:21:28 pm
Stroman should still be available. I don’t know how low Keuchel’s price would have to drop for Luhnow to give up that draft pick, but I bet it’s “pretty damn low.”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 03, 2019, 09:32:20 pm
Stroman should still be available. I don’t know how low Keuchel’s price would have to drop for Luhnow to give up that draft pick, but I bet it’s “pretty damn low.”

I agree. I think that the DK ship has sailed, for a port yet unknown..
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on March 04, 2019, 12:51:42 pm
And now is being skipped in his next start (which was scheduled for tomorrow) and won't pitch again until next weekend.

The Morton (un)signing is my most disappointing Astros experience in the last 4 or 5 years.  With each starting pitcher tweak and strain this spring training, it's all the more disappointing...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 04, 2019, 02:50:27 pm
The Morton (un)signing is my most disappointing Astros experience in the last 4 or 5 years.  With each starting pitcher tweak and strain this spring training, it's all the more disappointing...
I miss Charlie and I wish we had him back right now. Having said that, I think the Astros are smart. I think there’s enough in his medicals that they thought the risk was just too great. At least that is the only way I can make sense of the decision to let him go. The proof will be in the pudding and time will tell. If he’s on the DL have the year it’ll prove to have been a good move by the Astros. If he wins 15 games then……


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 04, 2019, 06:22:30 pm
The Morton (un)signing is my most disappointing Astros experience in the last 4 or 5 years.  With each starting pitcher tweak and strain this spring training, it's all the more disappointing...

We were not going to guarantee two years. Neither would you.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on March 04, 2019, 06:32:15 pm
The Morton (un)signing is my most disappointing Astros experience in the last 4 or 5 years.  With each starting pitcher tweak and strain this spring training, it's all the more disappointing...

Agreed.  They know more than we do, and I guess it was health concerns, but man I'm gonna miss that guy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on March 04, 2019, 06:59:45 pm
The wildest part is that Morton signed a relatively reasonable deal that left many here lamenting that the Astros didn’t match, yet the contract was the largest FA contract doled out in Rays history.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on March 04, 2019, 09:33:43 pm
I miss Charlie and I wish we had him back right now. Having said that, I think the Astros are smart. I think there’s enough in his medicals that they thought the risk was just too great. At least that is the only way I can make sense of the decision to let him go. The proof will be in the pudding and time will tell. If he’s on the DL have the year it’ll prove to have been a good move by the Astros. If he wins 15 games then……

Yeah, I know...  I get the sneaky suspicion that the Astros will be shown to have been prudent, prescient, smart and fiscally correct about CFM before his two years are up. My disappointment is a reflection of his past performance and how much I like watching him throw his nasty filth. It was the right move but I just don’t like it for non-logical reasons.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 04, 2019, 10:29:57 pm
Yeah, I know...  I get the sneaky suspicion that the Astros will be shown to have been prudent, prescient, smart and fiscally correct about CFM before his two years are up. My disappointment is a reflection of his past performance and how much I like watching him throw his nasty filth. It was the right move but I just don’t like it for non-logical reasons.
I know what you mean. Over the last two years, I don’t know that I’ve felt prouder for any other Astros player than I have for CFM. Dude had been through a lot in his career and came out the other side on top in game 7 of the WS. He’s a champ on and off the field.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on March 05, 2019, 10:39:47 am
I know what you mean. Over the last two years, I don’t know that I’ve felt prouder for any other Astros player than I have for CFM. Dude had been through a lot in his career and came out the other side on top in game 7 of the WS. He’s a champ on and off the field.


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CFM throwing unhittable filth the last three innings was one of the most thrilling things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 05, 2019, 12:29:43 pm
CFM throwing unhittable filth the last three innings was one of the most thrilling things I've ever seen.

Seeing him come to bat in the top of the 9th was the most excited I've ever been to see a pitcher hit.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on March 05, 2019, 01:43:27 pm
Seeing him come to bat in the top of the 9th was the most excited I've ever been to see a pitcher hit.

“Whatever you do, don't swing.”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 05, 2019, 07:17:10 pm
“Whatever you do, don't swing.”

Greatest caught looking in Astros history.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 05, 2019, 09:43:25 pm
I literally love CFM.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duke on March 06, 2019, 08:35:34 am
I literally love CFM.

I know I've been spoiled the past few years with the 'Stros ability to hang on to good "glue" players.   However I really hate to see Marwin and CFM go.  Probably my two favorite players during that time..
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on March 06, 2019, 02:26:33 pm
Morton looked pretty good today in his second Spring start. Meanwhile Bregman apparently came out after making an early throw across to first and Chirinos came out after getting plunked.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on March 06, 2019, 04:10:27 pm
Chron says "back stiffness" for Bregman.  Not good news, but better than elbow.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on March 06, 2019, 05:42:19 pm
Chron says "back stiffness" for Bregman.  Not good news, but better than elbow.

Sure, because back stiffness didn’t derail Correa at all last year.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2019, 01:25:07 pm
Derek Fisher injured his left shoulder and was removed from today's game after trying to make a diving catch.

ETA:
Later reported as precautionary measure. Day to day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on March 26, 2019, 11:04:09 am
Correa a late scratch from today's game with neck stiffness.

Let's hope stiffness is very different than discomfort.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 26, 2019, 07:06:22 pm
Correa a late scratch from today's game with neck stiffness.

Let's hope stiffness is very different than discomfort.

Correa's stiffness has now turned into discomfort. Questionable to start the opener.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 26, 2019, 09:59:15 pm
Daniella really needs to go easier on him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jaklewein on March 27, 2019, 07:59:37 am
Daniella really needs to go easier on him.

Thanks Sphinx.  That made me laugh.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jaklewein on March 28, 2019, 12:17:17 pm
Thanks Sphinx.  That made me laugh.

Yahoo is showing Correa out for today's game.  Looks like Diaz getting the start today.  Dammit man.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 28, 2019, 12:39:15 pm
Yahoo is showing Correa out for today's game.  Looks like Diaz getting the start today.  Dammit man.

How can he be so dang fragile!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jaklewein on March 28, 2019, 12:47:15 pm
How can he be so dang fragile!

I'm going to try and remain calm and hope this is just precautionary.  If he doesn't start by Saturday I'll be officially worried and buzz kill for the season, while probably not warranted, will quickly set in.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on March 28, 2019, 01:24:56 pm
Berman 20 minutes ago:  AJ Hinch told the media today in Tampa Carlos Correa's neck is still sore when he swings, but will do a full defensive workout today. AJ says the hope is that he’ll play at some point this series. Carlos is listed as day-to-day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on March 29, 2019, 02:51:57 pm
Correa out again.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on March 29, 2019, 03:01:44 pm
Correa out again.

“Something very familiar about this”

-Biff Tannen
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on March 31, 2019, 09:47:36 am
Correa in today's lineup at SS and batting 4th.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 31, 2019, 11:56:03 am
Correa in today's lineup at SS and batting 4th.

Who is he? A prospect up from AAA?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 31, 2019, 12:08:22 pm
Correa in today's lineup at SS and batting 4th.
Yep, but Brantley isn’t. Don’t like that. Would like to see all the big guns in the order together at one time today in an effort to gain the split.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on March 31, 2019, 12:50:09 pm
Yep, but Brantley isn’t. Don’t like that. Would like to see all the big guns in the order together at one time today in an effort to gain the split.


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AJ! You have a call! TP21 on line 2. He is not happy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on April 10, 2019, 02:58:50 pm
Channel 13 says Bregman tweaked a hammy and is "day to day".

https://abc13.com/sports/alex-bregman-day-to-day-after-tweaking-hamstring-vs-yankees/5241905/ (https://abc13.com/sports/alex-bregman-day-to-day-after-tweaking-hamstring-vs-yankees/5241905/)
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on April 12, 2019, 06:37:33 pm
Bregman not in tonight's lineup.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 12, 2019, 07:25:56 pm
Bregman not in tonight's lineup.
It's best not to rush a hamstring issue. Probably a cautionary move would be to let him rest it another game or two.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on April 12, 2019, 08:20:11 pm
Bregman not in tonight's lineup.

Yuli at 3b, White at 1b
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on April 12, 2019, 09:54:17 pm
Chronicle says maybe Saturday.

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"Things are trending towards him playing tomorrow if all goes well," Hinch said Friday. "We thought (Bregman would return) this weekend, but you never know how these things respond."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on April 13, 2019, 12:42:25 am
It's best not to rush a hamstring issue. Probably a cautionary move would be to let him rest it another game or two.
Yes. Do NOT fuck with hamstrings. That shit will drag on for weeks if you come back too soon

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on April 13, 2019, 12:47:23 pm
Yes. Do NOT fuck with hamstrings. That shit will drag on for weeks if you come back too soon
Absolutely. Wait until it's 100%, absolutely no doubt whatsoever certain that he's ready to go. Then wait a couple of more days.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on April 13, 2019, 05:32:38 pm
Bregman in the lineup at 3B tonight.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 01, 2019, 10:28:13 pm
Kluber took a 102 mph liner to the forearm; fractured ulna.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on May 02, 2019, 08:29:56 am
Kluber took a 102 mph liner to the forearm; fractured ulna.

Google tells me that he'll be in a cast for a month minimum.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on May 02, 2019, 09:07:38 am
Google tells me that he'll be in a cast for a month minimum.

From an article I read this morn:
https://www.mlb.com/news/impact-of-corey-kluber-s-injury-on-indians
Blue Jays prospect Nate Pearson suffered a similar injury last May and missed the remainder of the season. He was throwing live BP by August.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 02, 2019, 09:15:40 am
Kluber took a 102 mph liner to the forearm; fractured ulna.

Remove him from the trade want list.

Who is on it? Stroganoff? Madbum?  Who else? Must be a frontline starter.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on May 02, 2019, 09:51:42 am
Stroganoff

Not sure if autocorrect or on purpose, but I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 02, 2019, 09:54:27 am
Not sure if autocorrect or on purpose, but I'm a fan.

It's settled.   We need him, and his name will be Stroganoff.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 02, 2019, 09:59:05 am
Not sure if autocorrect or on purpose, but I'm a fan.

Autocorrect for Stroman. Too funny!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 02, 2019, 10:00:41 am
Autocorrect for Stroman. Too funny!

ETA: add to Funk and Wagner or maybe it is an entree in Roy’s Restaurant.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on May 02, 2019, 10:02:41 am
Autocorrect for Stroman. Too funny!

Are you sure it's not your pick for an early bird lunch?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 02, 2019, 10:02:57 am
Remove him from the trade want list.

Who is on it? Stroganoff? Madbum?  Who else? Must be a frontline starter.
Madbum would be great and being a lefty fits. Stroman would be my choice if I had one. I just love the way the guy plays. Robbie Ray would still be on my list. Aaron Sanchez has been really good to start the year for Toronto but he has had some major injury issues in his past. Arizona would have to eat quite a bit of the money but Zack Greinke would be pretty great.

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 02, 2019, 10:15:13 am
It's settled.   We need him, and his name will be Stroganoff.

But he’s certainly not beefy.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on May 02, 2019, 10:43:04 am
love the spelling
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on May 02, 2019, 11:09:40 am
Why would anyone trade a good pitcher at this point in the season?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 02, 2019, 12:04:13 pm
Why would anyone trade a good pitcher at this point in the season?

Luhnow’s Jedi mind tricks will get us MadBum and international pool money for White. Tomorrow.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on May 02, 2019, 12:09:39 pm
Why would anyone trade a good pitcher at this point in the season?

Wouldn't you give up more for five months of a Stroganoff or MadBum than for two?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on May 02, 2019, 12:18:48 pm
Wouldn't you give up more for five months of a Stroganoff or MadBum than for two?

Maybe, but those teams still have to play games and none them are so terrible to write the whole season off.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 02, 2019, 03:28:19 pm
Why would anyone trade a good pitcher at this point in the season?

Not saying they would. No one has given up yet, but reality may be creeping in.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Craig on May 02, 2019, 03:56:25 pm
Are you sure it's not your pick for an early bird lunch?

The Blue Jay Plate Special
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 14, 2019, 05:44:24 pm
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Joe-Smith-bullpen-session-Achilles-13845323.php (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Joe-Smith-bullpen-session-Achilles-13845323.php)

Tick tock,  Devo.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 18, 2019, 05:56:32 pm
What is the status on Diaz and his hamstring? White is at first tonight with Yuli at second.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 18, 2019, 05:58:29 pm
What is the status on Diaz and his hamstring? White is at first tonight with Yuli at second.


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Well, that's better than the other way around, I suppose.

I think Diaz is "day to day". Which means he'll be back after the All Star break.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 18, 2019, 06:13:44 pm
What is the status on Diaz and his hamstring? White is at first tonight with Yuli at second.


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Grade one strain.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 18, 2019, 06:53:03 pm
Well, that's better than the other way around, I suppose.
Amen.  Though White did make that pop-up a little too exciting for out 1.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 19, 2019, 05:16:01 pm
Here are Springer's comments after coming out of Sunday's game:

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1130223366911213569?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1130223366911213569?s=19)

Synopsis:
-been going on for an amount of time that he's not going to share
-got a little tighter
-coming out was about 'being smart'
-no tests planned that as far as he knows
-wouldn't say yay or nay for Monday's game (I'd say nay, but so far AJ has not requested my input on anything)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 19, 2019, 05:22:13 pm
“Back problems are perfectly normal and you should totally play through them.”

- Not Carlos Correa


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 19, 2019, 08:51:43 pm
It is just my opinion, but I hope George goes to the DL if necessary. I don’t want him back unless he is 100%. The Astros went thru this with Correa last year and it didn’t go so well.

Take your time George and get well.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on May 20, 2019, 07:28:23 am
its a pain to see the amount of injuries they are adding up
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: SoonerJim on May 20, 2019, 10:41:32 am
its a pain to see the amount of injuries they are adding up

Kemp played 2B at Vandy, he's better for the position than Gurriel
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 20, 2019, 10:43:56 am
Kemp played 2B at Vandy, he's better for the position than Gurriel

The wind was the biggest issue yesterday, and he got no help from anyone.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 20, 2019, 03:22:34 pm
Not an Astro, but the Mets just announced that Yoenis Cespedes suffered multiple fractures to his ankle when he fell from something (not a horse) on his ranch.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 20, 2019, 03:57:00 pm
Springer says his MRI was “good news” but the team has not yet cleared him to play. Not in tonight’s lineup.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on May 20, 2019, 04:34:53 pm
Springer says his MRI was “good news” but the team has not yet cleared him to play. Not in tonight’s lineup.


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The bench is thin with these non-IL “discomforts.”


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on May 21, 2019, 12:22:53 am
The bench is thin with these non-IL “discomforts.”
Hinch may be uncomfortable with so much discomfort.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 21, 2019, 01:06:59 am
Not an Astro, but the Mets just announced that Yoenis Cespedes suffered multiple fractures to his ankle when he fell from something (not a horse) on his ranch.


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Andrelton Simmons just rolled/broke the hell out of his ankle on the 1B bag
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 21, 2019, 07:05:20 am
Andrelton Simmons just rolled/broke the hell out of his ankle on the 1B bag

Xrays negative


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on May 21, 2019, 03:39:14 pm
Chandler Rome tweet:

Collin McHugh is going on the 10-day injured list with right elbow discomfort. The Astros recalled Brady Rodgers


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 21, 2019, 03:49:08 pm
Chandler Rome tweet:

Collin McHugh is going on the 10-day injured list with right elbow discomfort. The Astros recalled Brady Rodgers


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Rodgers was going to pitch tonight in RR. Express pitching has been bad lately.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 21, 2019, 03:51:34 pm
Rogers on the major league team means that Astros' pitching is desperately thin.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 21, 2019, 03:53:08 pm
Rogers on the major league team means that Astros' pitching is desperately thin.
I don’t know how he is pitched at round rock, but the thought above is mine as well, off the top of my head.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 21, 2019, 03:53:28 pm
Diaz back in the lineup tonight at 2B.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 21, 2019, 04:02:04 pm
No one but Martin has been consistently good in RR. Rodgers has not been bad. The bullpen has been awful lately.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 21, 2019, 04:24:20 pm
Chandler Rome tweet:

Collin McHugh is going on the 10-day injured list with right elbow discomfort. The Astros recalled Brady Rodgers


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That explains why he went from good to shit so quick.  Looking at his games logs it seems pretty clear his elbow blew up after pitching in Oakland in mid-April.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 21, 2019, 04:30:46 pm
Rogers on the major league team means that Astros' pitching is desperately thin.

Who would have thought you’d see both Martin and Rogers before Whitley this year?


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 21, 2019, 04:40:57 pm
Who would have thought you’d see both Martin and Rogers before Whitley this year?


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Rodgers has always been a Luhnow favorite.

How good has the pitching been?  Right now the highest ERA on the active pitching staff is Devo's 5.60.  Everyone else is 4.56 (James) or below.  All 5 current starters are below 4.00.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on May 21, 2019, 06:43:55 pm
Rodgers was going to pitch tonight in RR. Express pitching has been bad lately.
I’m curious, where do you get this info? I used to get this from the game notes in the media section at their website, but they are a few days behind.  I’m trying to find out when Whitley is slated to throw.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 21, 2019, 06:47:21 pm
Xrays negative


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Watching it live, and again on replays, I'm not sure how that wasn't worse.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 21, 2019, 09:51:56 pm
Watching it live, and again on replays, I'm not sure how that wasn't worse.

Grade 3 sprain, likely 8-12 weeks.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 21, 2019, 11:38:08 pm
I’m curious, where do you get this info? I used to get this from the game notes in the media section at their website, but they are a few days behind.  I’m trying to find out when Whitley is slated to throw.

From a friend. Whitley is throwing Thursday, I think.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 22, 2019, 08:45:16 am
From a friend. Whitley is throwing Thursday, I think.
It is also pretty easy to track the rotation on MILB.com -and they usually post probables early in the day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on May 22, 2019, 09:19:03 am
It is also pretty easy to track the rotation on MILB.com -and they usually post probables early in the day.
Not always easy to have certainty, especially with the tandems..  When I went last week, I followed the prior weeks tandem scheduling.  Based on that progression, it would have been Whitley's tandem turn, but they used Urquidez in his debut, and pushed the Whitley tandem back a day. 

And tonight, Milb has Sneed listed as a starter.  Well, he has been used in Tandem with Whitley, but Sneed started last tandem and only went 1.2, so if he is starting tonight, is he still in a tandem with Whitley (they usually alternate starting)?  I am going to assume that Whitley and Sneed are no longer in tandem and that Jim is correct that Whitley is going Thursday.

Anyways, you get the point.  If they would just keep their gamenotes up to date (they are presently three days behind), it would be easier.

 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 22, 2019, 09:30:59 am
Not always easy to have certainty, especially with the tandems..  When I went last week, I followed the prior weeks tandem scheduling.  Based on that progression, it would have been Whitley's tandem turn, but they used Urquidez in his debut, and pushed the Whitley tandem back a day. 

And tonight, Milb has Sneed listed as a starter.  Well, he has been used in Tandem with Whitley, but Sneed started last tandem and only went 1.2, so if he is starting tonight, is he still in a tandem with Whitley (they usually alternate starting)?  I am going to assume that Whitley and Sneed are no longer in tandem and that Jim is correct that Whitley is going Thursday.

Anyways, you get the point.  If they would just keep their gamenotes up to date (they are presently three days behind), it would be easier.

 

Sneed tonight, Whitley tomorrow is what they said last night.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BUWebguy on May 24, 2019, 04:47:54 pm
Springer back in the lineup tonight:
https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/1132021298270310400
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on May 24, 2019, 10:33:52 pm
MLB Network just reported the Hinch expects Springer to go on the IL. "I'm not looking forward to the diagnosis" says Hinch.

Oy vey!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on May 25, 2019, 08:18:47 am
Fisher up, says Kaplan.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 25, 2019, 08:21:15 am
Fisher up, says Kaplan.

This was my bet.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 25, 2019, 08:51:07 am
Needed someone who could cover CF


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 25, 2019, 09:04:11 am
Needed someone who could cover CF


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He is having a good year. Theoretically he can play CF, but he is only average in the field, IMO.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 25, 2019, 09:06:39 am
He is having a good year. Theoretically he can play CF, but he is only average in the field, IMO.

I just recalled that they had at least put him there in 2017.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on May 25, 2019, 09:08:56 am
I just recalled that they had at least put him there in 2017.

Yeah, he's been out there. He's fast, but I remember his first step being late and his routes being less than perfect. Maybe he's improved that over the last year.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 25, 2019, 10:01:28 am
I just recalled that they had at least put him there in 2017.


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Yep, he plays there some in RR
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 25, 2019, 11:10:54 am
He is having a good year. Theoretically he can play CF, but he is only average in the field, IMO.

I expect him to play when Marisnick doesn't and spell Reddick in right at times.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 26, 2019, 08:58:55 am
McTag says Stubbs is getting called up so I guess Stassi will go to the IL.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on May 26, 2019, 09:08:16 am
and the list goes on. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 26, 2019, 11:48:24 am
Good medical advice from Kemp.

https://twitter.com/CrawfishBoxes/status/1132677972106895360?s=19 (https://twitter.com/CrawfishBoxes/status/1132677972106895360?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 26, 2019, 12:01:56 pm
McTag says Stubbs is getting called up so I guess Stassi will go to the IL.

Stassi says MRI was negative for badness:

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1132688649718571013?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1132688649718571013?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on May 26, 2019, 01:26:27 pm
Good medical advice from Kemp.

https://twitter.com/CrawfishBoxes/status/1132677972106895360?s=19 (https://twitter.com/CrawfishBoxes/status/1132677972106895360?s=19)

Holy smokes.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on May 26, 2019, 02:40:08 pm
So currently injured Astros:
Altuve, Springer, McHugh, McCullers, Joe Smith, AlmedaMall Diaz, Stassi.

Time to recall Rex Jones
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 26, 2019, 03:01:15 pm
Holy smokes.

Just 1 out of 162, if you’re a catcher.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 26, 2019, 03:03:43 pm
...Joe Smith,

Good grief, he’s not even in the league anymore, is he?

Quote
... AlmedaMall Diaz,

As a southsider...nice.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 27, 2019, 09:16:42 am
Diaz to the DL, Jack Mayfield called up
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 27, 2019, 09:57:03 am
Diaz to the DL, Jack Mayfield called up

This is so great.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 27, 2019, 10:20:32 am
This is so great.
Yeah, I agree. Great opportunity for Jack. Hopefully he’ll get to play a little before Altuve is activated.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 27, 2019, 10:33:23 am
Yeah, I agree. Great opportunity for Jack. Hopefully he’ll get to play a little before Altuve is activated.


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Altuve was 1-5 with 2 K’s last night with the Express.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 27, 2019, 10:52:35 am
Diaz to the DL, Jack Mayfield called up

A short clip of Mayfield recounting how he was told he was coming up.

That smile is great.  Sometimes we forget these guys have dreams and doubts.  The call up is so huge in their lives and their families'.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133031660864266240?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133031660864266240?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 27, 2019, 11:02:32 am
This is so great.
+1. I hoped/expected the move but nice to see. Jack seems to be a genuinely nice guy, too.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 27, 2019, 11:05:46 am
A short clip of Mayfield recounting how he was told he was coming up.

That smile is great.  Sometimes we forget these guys have dreams and doubts.  The call up is so huge in their lives and their families'.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133031660864266240?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133031660864266240?s=19)

That's awesome.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 27, 2019, 11:50:00 am
Mayfield gets the start today at 2B.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on May 27, 2019, 11:54:40 am
Mayfield gets the start today at 2B.

I'm glad they're doing this, because I imagine that he'll have to go back to Round Rock when Altuve gets activated.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 27, 2019, 12:26:44 pm
Never thought we would see Chirinos batting fifth.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 27, 2019, 12:46:31 pm
I'm glad they're doing this, because I imagine that he'll have to go back to Round Rock when Altuve gets activated.

I doubt it. I think he is replacing Diaz.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 27, 2019, 01:33:10 pm
I doubt it. I think he is replacing Diaz.
Exactly.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 27, 2019, 03:13:19 pm
Exactly.
So when Altuve is activated, who goes down? Fisher????? I don’t see them going back to 12 pitchers. If you don’t DFA or trade White or Kemp, then Mayfield or Fisher have to go.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 27, 2019, 03:22:55 pm
So when Altuve is activated, who goes down? Fisher????? I don’t see them going back to 12 pitchers. If you don’t DFA or trade White or Kemp, then Mayfield or Fisher have to go.


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So much angst.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 27, 2019, 03:31:54 pm
So much angst.
I know. A nice problem to have. I hope Mayfield and Fisher make Luhnow’s decision REALLY difficult.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 27, 2019, 03:37:45 pm
I know. A nice problem to have. I hope Mayfield and Fisher make Luhnow’s decision REALLY difficult.


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Big question for you: who is the utility infielder who can play all of the positions?

Hint: Yuli made two misplays at third.

Take your time.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on May 27, 2019, 05:19:20 pm
I really believe Fisher can play successfully at the MLB level if given a chance. I hope they can include him in a deal for a pitcher.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 27, 2019, 06:15:00 pm
I really believe Fisher can play successfully at the MLB level if given a chance. I hope they can include him in a deal for a pitcher.

That is my hope too. I hope he again is a wanted prospect.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 27, 2019, 06:42:04 pm
I know. A nice problem to have. I hope Mayfield and Fisher make Luhnow’s decision REALLY difficult easy.


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FIFY
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on May 28, 2019, 04:00:18 pm
No explanation, but Chandler Rome reporting Correa out of the lineup for 2nd straight day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 28, 2019, 04:30:31 pm
No explanation, but Chandler Rome reporting Correa out of the lineup for 2nd straight day.
AJ said rib soreness is the cause for him not being in the lineup and he's be evaluated

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on May 28, 2019, 04:44:05 pm
AJ said rib soreness is the cause for him not being in the lineup and he's be evaluated

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So three fractured ribs, got it!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 28, 2019, 04:45:38 pm
So three fractured ribs, got it!
At least it's not discomfort I guess

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Sambito on May 28, 2019, 04:46:47 pm
Springer hammy
Diaz hammy
Altuve hammy and now soreness/fatigue in surgically repaired knee
Correa rib-eye

White
Kemp
Fisher
Mayfield

May be time to trade for #3 Pitcher and promote Alvarez (have him play first or DH)
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 28, 2019, 04:51:01 pm
Tonight’s lineup has Fisher leading off. Also has Mayfield, Stubbs, White, Kemp and Marisnick. Oh, and the staring pitcher is Corbin Martin. I’ll bet no one, in their wildest imagination, would have ever come up with those players together in a starting lineup against the Cubs for a REGULAR season game.

Gonna be interesting!


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 04:52:00 pm
Altuve...now soreness/fatigue in surgically repaired knee

Wait...what?

edit:  here's Hinch talking about Altuve and Correa

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133485390445326336
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: chuck on May 28, 2019, 05:01:26 pm
Tonight’s lineup has Fisher leading off. Also has Mayfield, Stubbs, White, Kemp and Marisnick. Oh, and the staring pitcher is Corbin Martin. I’ll bet no one, in their wildest imagination, would have ever come up with those players together in a starting lineup against the Cubs for a REGULAR season game.

Yet the line is Astros -130.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 28, 2019, 05:04:31 pm
Wait...what?

edit:  here's Hinch talking about Altuve and Correa

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133485390445326336
NOT good news about Altuve.......


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Sambito on May 28, 2019, 05:05:44 pm
Wait...what?

edit:  here's Hinch talking about Altuve and Correa

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133485390445326336

Pretty common with knee rehabs in my experience (soccer) --- that the surrounding larger leg muscles (quad, hamstring, gluts, and calves are more likely to get strained) to compensate for a little weakness here and there (and aging does not help the process).

But apologies Lefty, did not mean to insinuate that Altuve has a knee issue (it is the probably the reciprocal reaction to rehabing fatigued leg muscles coming off injury).  Pretty normal feedback loop for the inside medical sports groupies.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 05:18:43 pm
Pretty common with knee rehabs in my experience (soccer) --- that the surrounding larger leg muscles (quad, hamstring, gluts, and calves are more likely to get strained) to compensate for a little weakness here and there (and aging does not help the process).

But apologies Lefty, did not mean to insinuate that Altuve has a knee issue (it is the probably the reciprocal reaction to rehabing fatigued leg muscles coming off injury).  Pretty normal feedback loop for the inside medical sports groupies.

No need to apologize, I just hadn't heard that about Altuve until you mentioned it.  Then I saw the interview. 

I've been down that road before with both knees, and you're absolutely right about the rehab process.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 28, 2019, 05:41:49 pm
Wait...what?

edit:  here's Hinch talking about Altuve and Correa

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1133485390445326336

/this is fine.jpg


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 05:48:51 pm
Holy crap
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: The Spleen on May 28, 2019, 05:56:54 pm
This is going to (continue to) chew the hell out of their bullpen. They basically have no other way to win right now but to get good starting pitching and squeeze out a few dinks and dunks and maybe a solo homer or two from what's left of their offense. That's save situations and other high leverage innings for their bullpen, night after night. Pressley and Osuna are already feeling the strain...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 05:59:58 pm
This is going to (continue to) chew the hell out of their bullpen. They basically have no other way to win right now but to get good starting pitching and squeeze out a few dinks and dunks and maybe a solo homer or two from what's left of their offense. That's save situations and other high leverage innings for their bullpen, night after night. Pressley and Osuna are already feeling the strain...

I doubt your final sentence. Hinch gives them plenty of rest.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on May 28, 2019, 06:02:10 pm
This is going to (continue to) chew the hell out of their bullpen. They basically have no other way to win right now but to get good starting pitching and squeeze out a few dinks and dunks and maybe a solo homer or two from what's left of their offense. That's save situations and other high leverage innings for their bullpen, night after night. Pressley and Osuna are already feeling the strain...

Spack should kick your ass. Call 790 and bore them with this bullshit.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 28, 2019, 06:02:18 pm
This is going to (continue to) chew the hell out of their bullpen. They basically have no other way to win right now but to get good starting pitching and squeeze out a few dinks and dunks and maybe a solo homer or two from what's left of their offense. That's save situations and other high leverage innings for their bullpen, night after night. Pressley and Osuna are already feeling the strain...
You are correct in that the depth of this organization is about to be tested. I am both anxious and excited to see it. I’m sure it will be frustrating at times but I am kind of looking forward to seeing what we’re made of.

But I would like the A team back as quickly as possible please


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 06:02:37 pm
Tags tweet:  Jeff Luhnow on Correa and Altuve, both of whom are seeing doctors today: "I don't anticipate any of the injuries we have right now to be long term or to affect these players for the rest of the season, maybe for a couple of weeks here."

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 28, 2019, 06:09:38 pm
This is going to (continue to) chew the hell out of their bullpen. They basically have no other way to win right now but to get good starting pitching and squeeze out a few dinks and dunks and maybe a solo homer or two from what's left of their offense. That's save situations and other high leverage innings for their bullpen, night after night. Pressley and Osuna are already feeling the strain...
I would disagree with the last part. Yes not all appearances are created equal but AJ does a great job of spreading out the workload

Osuna 24 games 24⅓ innings
Pressly 22 games 24⅓ innings
Harris 20 games 18 innings
Rondon 20 games 18 innings
James 19 games 27⅔ innings
Devo 18 games 19⅔ innings

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 28, 2019, 06:18:24 pm
Tags tweet:  Jeff Luhnow on Correa and Altuve, both of whom are seeing doctors today: "I don't anticipate any of the injuries we have right now to be long term or to affect these players for the rest of the season, maybe for a couple of weeks here."

Shit’s on fire, yo.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on May 28, 2019, 06:19:57 pm
AJ said rib soreness is the cause for him not being in the lineup and he's be evaluated

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I'm guessing Sphinx was on target in calling out Daniella. We need her to be Glenn Close, not Kim Basinger.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 06:24:26 pm
I would disagree with the last part. Yes not all appearances are created equal but AJ does a great job of spreading out the workload

Osuna 24 games 24⅓ innings
Pressly 22 games 24⅓ innings
Harris 20 games 18 innings
Rondon 20 games 18 innings
James 19 games 27⅔ innings
Devo 18 games 19⅔ innings

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Hinch is obsessive about this. They are not overworked.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 28, 2019, 06:38:23 pm
Yet the line is Astros -130.

I'm guessing that there is a lot of money coming in on the Cubs about now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 06:42:56 pm
Shit’s on fire, yo.


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WTF happened to Correa if he was fine yesterday?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 06:55:09 pm
WTF happened to Correa if he was fine yesterday?

While "doing some things" and "getting treatment" at his house today he felt something in his ribs, per Hinch

AJ had him in tonight and had to redo the lineup card.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 07:28:49 pm
While "doing some things" and "getting treatment" at his house today he felt something in his ribs, per Hinch

AJ had him in tonight and had to redo the lineup card.

I read all of that and listened to his interview. My question still is WTF?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 28, 2019, 07:46:51 pm
I'm guessing Sphinx was on target in calling out Daniella. We need her to be Glenn Close, not Kim Basinger.
"When your in love with a beautiful woman, it's hard."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 28, 2019, 07:47:33 pm
Correa is awfully fragile.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 07:55:23 pm
I read all of that and listened to his interview. My question still is WTF?

Yoga/stretching?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 28, 2019, 07:55:42 pm
Correa is awfully fragile.

So is Springer. At least his injuries have causes.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on May 28, 2019, 07:56:51 pm
Yoga/stretching?

Kama Sutra

“Receiving treatment and doing some things”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 28, 2019, 11:15:43 pm
Tags tweet:  A.J. Hinch said the Astros received “encouraging” news about Jose Altuve. Altuve will need some time to “strengthen his lower half.”  Nothing new on Correa.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 07:30:37 am
Tags tweet:  A.J. Hinch said the Astros received “encouraging” news about Jose Altuve. Altuve will need some time to “strengthen his lower half.”  Nothing new on Correa.

I think “nothing on Correa” is more accurate. Hinch was clearly upset last night about Correa and Altuve.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 10:59:13 am
Correa out 3-4 weeks with a cracked rib.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on May 29, 2019, 11:01:25 am
Wow.  Any word on how?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 11:01:50 am
Correa out 3-4 weeks with a cracked rib.


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How did he crack a rib?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 11:08:34 am
Correa out 3-4 weeks with a cracked rib.


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Brian Smith says 4-6 weeks.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 11:10:06 am
Straw up.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 11:10:17 am
How did he crack a rib?

No word.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 11:14:08 am
No word.


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What the fuck, Carlos? Alou’s treadmill again?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 29, 2019, 11:17:46 am
Maybe he thwarted a robbery.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on May 29, 2019, 11:17:49 am
Wow, bad news. And someone here yesterday was joking about him having broken ribs like it wasn’t a possibility.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 11:23:43 am
Well shit. Seriously how the fuck did he fracture his ribs?

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on May 29, 2019, 11:30:00 am
Chandler Rome: "More to come, but Astros GM Jeff Luhnow said Carlos Correa's fractured rib occurred at his house before he came to Minute Maid Park on Tuesday. Luhnow said he was not at liberty to specify what exactly happened"

McTaggart: "Luhnow said he's comfortable with the Astros' organizational depth, but said he will look externally to see if there are any options that make sense."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 11:30:20 am
Luhnow said the injury occurred at home and he was not at liberty to say how.

Given the phrasing I wonder if it was coitus related.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 29, 2019, 11:37:59 am
Luhnow said the injury occurred at home and he was not at liberty to say how.

Given the phrasing I wonder if it was coitus related.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 11:39:00 am
Luhnow said the injury occurred at home and he was not at liberty to say how.

Given the phrasing I wonder if it was coitus related.


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Has to be, right? I'm just wondering what the hell position they were trying

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 11:39:53 am
Luhnow said the injury occurred at home and he was not at liberty to say how.

Given the phrasing I wonder if it was coitus related.


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Or worse
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 11:43:40 am
Has to be, right? I'm just wondering what the hell position they were trying

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The shift?


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on May 29, 2019, 11:49:22 am
Or worse
My immediate reaction, based on the apparent secrecy, was that his wife got him, but it's probably something innocuous or innocuously careless and/or embarrassing.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on May 29, 2019, 11:59:13 am
Fell thru a sliding glass door aka the hunter pence?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on May 29, 2019, 12:14:18 pm
Has to be, right? I'm just wondering what the hell position they were trying

Y’all are super creepy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 29, 2019, 12:17:15 pm
Luhnow said the injury occurred at home and he was not at liberty to say how.

Given the phrasing I wonder if it was coitus related.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on May 29, 2019, 12:30:18 pm
4 to 6 weeks is what I read.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on May 29, 2019, 12:37:51 pm
per McTag tweet:

All-Star shortstop Carlos Correa has been placed on the 10-day Injured List due to a fractured rib. The injury will keep Correa out of action for approximately 4-6 weeks.
IF/OF Myles Straw has been recalled from Triple-A Round Rock.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on May 29, 2019, 12:53:51 pm
sounds like a scrip for a made for t v movie
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 01:37:15 pm
Altuve could be out another 10-14 BEFORE starting a rehab stint according to Mctaggart

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: The Spleen on May 29, 2019, 01:44:04 pm
Days or weeks?
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 29, 2019, 01:59:16 pm
Sound General Quarters. All hands on deck. Bregman, Brantley, Reddick, Verlander et al have to show strong leadership for the bench and AAA players who are now going to get extended starting duties.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 02:00:46 pm
Really surprised were not looking at a regular infield of Yuli-Bregman-Kemp-Alvarez now.


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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 29, 2019, 02:19:52 pm
The organization has built a great culture at AAA. Call ups are ready to play. Stubbs, Mayfield and Fisher contributing immediately. James and Valdez really performed in super high pressure pennant race.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 02:22:03 pm
Really surprised were not looking at a regular infield of Yuli-Bregman-Kemp-Alvarez now.


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We may be. Getting Diaz back will help.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Sambito on May 29, 2019, 02:25:18 pm
What are the odds of a Bregman hammy now?   

And no, not jinxing the guy --- just saying the way things are going, he's in line for the next episode of ASTROS ER
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 02:32:01 pm
Defense will be ok, but there is a lot of run production on the IL.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 02:32:43 pm
Days or weeks?
Sorry, days

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 02:32:55 pm
What are the odds of a Bregman hammy now?   

And no, not jinxing the guy --- just saying the way things are going, he's in line for the next episode of ASTROS ER
Dude

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on May 29, 2019, 02:33:59 pm
What are the odds of a * * now?   

And no, not jinxing the guy --- just saying the way things are going, he's in line for the next episode of * ER
Please kindly delete this post and give proper tribute immediately.

A Giles self punch to the face is a good place to start...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 29, 2019, 02:35:05 pm
How did he fracture his rib while at home on an off day?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on May 29, 2019, 02:46:11 pm
Yuli at 3rd, Bregman at SS, Kemp at 2nd, Alvarez at 1st. Maybe Tucker in the OF at some point if Fisher struggles? All you roster experts can explain how this would work out.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 02:51:45 pm
Whitley to the Minor League IL. Right shoulder fatigue.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 02:52:00 pm
Oh hey, Whitley is on the IL with “arm fatigue” and heading to Florida for rehab.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 02:52:37 pm
Oh hey, Whitley is on the IL with “arm fatigue” and heading to Florida for rehab.


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Yep. Cabrera told me.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 29, 2019, 02:55:15 pm
Defense will be ok, but there is a lot of run production on the IL.
I agree Jim. I think ultimately we can weather the storm. It may be frustrating at times. Hell, it may even be ugly at times, but I think we ultimately pull through this because of the depth and quality of the players in this organization. Having said that, the starting pitching will need to be fixed to help weather this storm. Cole needs to tighten up just a little bit. Verlander, Miley and Peacock are fine. Beyond those four, someone is going to have to really step up like Fiers and Peacock did in 2017, or a trade for the starter will have to be made now, not at the deadline.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 02:55:25 pm
The organization has built a great culture at AAA. Call ups are ready to play. Stubbs, Mayfield and Fisher contributing immediately. James and Valdez really performed in super high pressure pennant race.

My good RR source told me the attitude in the clubhouse is fantastic. Most knew they were blocked (before the injuries) but were not unhappy. The Astros treat them so well they do not want to leave.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 29, 2019, 02:59:33 pm
Whitley has been placed on the minors IL.

Right shoulder fatigue.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 03:00:28 pm
How did he fracture his rib while at home on an off day?

Yep. That is the question ok.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 03:00:50 pm
My good RR source told me the attitude in the clubhouse is fantastic. Most knew they were blocked (before the injuries) but were not unhappy. The Astros treat them so well they do not want to leave.

But talking heads told me they just are numbers to Luhnow!


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 03:03:20 pm
But talking heads told me they just are numbers to Luhnow!


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on May 29, 2019, 03:05:56 pm
Whitley has been placed on the minors IL.

Right shoulder fatigue.

Three times in this thread now and once in the Bus Ride. What’s the Cabrera record?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on May 29, 2019, 03:08:27 pm
Three times in this thread now and once in the Bus Ride. What’s the Cabrera record?

Cabrera is the Cabrera record.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 29, 2019, 03:19:13 pm
Three times in this thread now and once in the Bus Ride. What’s the Cabrera record?
Sorry. I guess I missed it in the myriad of posts regarding Correa’s extra curricular activities.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on May 29, 2019, 04:58:02 pm
Correa released a statement saying that he "sustained the rib fracture during a massage at my home on tuesday"

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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 29, 2019, 05:00:11 pm
Nice try.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 29, 2019, 05:03:35 pm
I'm extremely disappointed that a mere rub down could cause such an injury. So unusual and frustrating.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 29, 2019, 05:12:47 pm
What the fuck, Carlos? Alou’s treadmill again?

Seriously? This is fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on May 29, 2019, 05:16:19 pm
This may be incredibly obvious, but the “ask Carlos about it” line leads me to believe that the club is more than slightly unhappy about it.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on May 29, 2019, 05:47:20 pm
Correa released a statement saying that he "sustained the rib fracture during a massage at my home on tuesday"


I just assumed you were playing along with the joke, but it's true.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on May 29, 2019, 05:53:08 pm
Correa released a statement saying that he "sustained the rib fracture during a massage at my home on tuesday"

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Seriously?! WTF?! I’ve never heard of anything like that... Is he made of glass?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 29, 2019, 05:54:15 pm
This may be incredibly obvious, but the “ask Carlos about it” line leads me to believe that the club is more than slightly unhappy about it.


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Furious may be a better word.

Weak, Carlos, very  weak. How does a massage break your ribs?

This could affect his long-term future with the team.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 29, 2019, 06:04:30 pm
Certainly infuriating to me.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 29, 2019, 06:05:40 pm
Was it a deep tissue massage?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on May 29, 2019, 06:10:20 pm
I'm just glad nobody is overreacting to Correa's injury.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 06:17:07 pm
I'm just glad nobody is overreacting to Correa's injury.

It’s over. He’s dead. We’ve moved on, so should you.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 29, 2019, 06:25:58 pm
Furious may be a better word.

Weak, Carlos, very  weak. How does a massage break your ribs?

This could affect his long-term future with the team.

If you don’t think Luhnow has already considered that Bregman’s contract looks even better if he’s a full time SS, folks, think again.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 29, 2019, 06:32:14 pm
Furious may be a better word.

Weak, Carlos, very  weak. How does a massage break your ribs?

This could affect his long-term future with the team.
Yep. Just another straw on the pile. I don’t care how good you are or can be, if you can’t stay in the lineup, I have to look elsewhere.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on May 30, 2019, 01:20:21 am
Was it a deep tissue massage?

Kama Sutra.  Have you seen his wife?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on May 30, 2019, 09:53:00 am
If you don’t think Luhnow has already considered that Bregman’s contract looks even better if he’s a full time SS, folks, think again.

Carlos makes a point to not get in the middle of "walk off" celebrations, trying to protect himself. 

(Found this NYT write up of 2017 Game 5 while looking for a video of him circling the pack after Bregman's winning hit.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/sports/world-series-dodgers-astros.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/sports/world-series-dodgers-astros.html)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 30, 2019, 09:57:18 am
Carlos makes a point to not get in the middle of "walk off" celebrations, trying to protect himself. 

(Found this NYT write up of 2017 Game 5 while looking for a video of him circling the pack after Bregman's winning hit.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/sports/world-series-dodgers-astros.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/sports/world-series-dodgers-astros.html)

That was obvious after his walkoff single recently. He kept them away from him, and his teammates did not gang up on him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on May 30, 2019, 10:24:39 am
Breaking News: Doctors reveal that Carlos Correa's bones are made of cotton candy
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on May 30, 2019, 10:47:01 am
Either that or his wife’s are made of granite.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 30, 2019, 11:05:15 am
Cotton Candyman was such a bad superhero he couldn't make the MCU cut.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on May 30, 2019, 11:16:58 am
Cotton Candyman was such a bad superhero he couldn't make the MCU cut.

"I'm here to save the d... OH NO! A WATER GUN! MY ONE WEAKNESS!"
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on May 30, 2019, 11:46:41 am
Breaking News: Doctors reveal that Carlos Correa's bones are made of cotton candy

So that’s why White turned cannibal.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: SoonerJim on May 30, 2019, 01:52:58 pm
Breaking News: Doctors reveal that Carlos Correa's bones are made of cotton candy

Cecil Upshaw’s tearing up his finger on an awning after leaping up on a dare is one of my fave non-performance injury
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on May 30, 2019, 02:06:41 pm
Kevin Mitchell breaking a tooth on a frozen donut.

Kevin Mitchell sneezing, breaking rib.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on May 30, 2019, 02:15:55 pm
Kevin Mitchell breaking a tooth on a frozen donut.

Kevin Mitchell sneezing, breaking rib.

But a broken rib from "a massage" is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 30, 2019, 02:21:42 pm
Wade Boggs would like to have a word with all of you.

https://tht.fangraphs.com/tht-live/silver-anniversary-of-bizarre-wade-boggs-injury-6-9-11 (https://tht.fangraphs.com/tht-live/silver-anniversary-of-bizarre-wade-boggs-injury-6-9-11)/

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: hostros7 on May 30, 2019, 02:31:54 pm
Wade Boggs would like to have a word with all of you.

https://tht.fangraphs.com/tht-live/silver-anniversary-of-bizarre-wade-boggs-injury-6-9-11 (https://tht.fangraphs.com/tht-live/silver-anniversary-of-bizarre-wade-boggs-injury-6-9-11)/

If you don’t understand the challenges associated with trying to take your boots off after drinking 50+ beers on a cross country flight, well, then, you’re no wade Boggs.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on May 30, 2019, 02:43:24 pm
http://mentalfloss.com/article/29000/24-most-bizarre-injuries-baseball-history

From the above list, Griffey's to me is a no doubt #1. What tha crap man?

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# 6. According to the legend of Clarence Blethen, the Red Sox rookie pitcher in 1923 thought he looked meaner without his false teeth when he was on the mound. He supposedly didn't think to put them back in his mouth while he batted. That led to Blethen sliding into second base and getting bit in the posterior by his own teeth.

Correa's will be on some future lists no doubt.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 30, 2019, 03:00:23 pm
Good to see Sparks in the top 5.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 30, 2019, 03:02:33 pm
If you don’t understand the challenges associated with trying to take your boots off after drinking 50+ beers on a cross country flight, well, then, you’re no wade Boggs.


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I was once taking off my boots using a bootjack, and after getting the first off and working on the second, my heel slipped an kicked the nail off my big toe.  Most excruciating pain I could imagine.  It was a Saturday night, and it was Tuesday before I could get to the doctor.  Alcohol may have been involved. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on May 30, 2019, 03:19:36 pm
http://mentalfloss.com/article/29000/24-most-bizarre-injuries-baseball-history

From the above list, Griffey's to me is a no doubt #1. What tha crap man?

Correa's will be on some future lists no doubt.

I coached a playoff series against Easterly (#2) while I was in Brenham.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on May 30, 2019, 09:39:08 pm
Warning, boring massage story ahead... be warned, pull the eject cord on this post in five, four, three, two....

Holy crap, why did Alkie never tell us a story of broken bones with all the rub girls we provided him! That guy was wiry and quick I suppose. So last week I could not sleep because of a muscle spasm in my upper back near the shoulder blade. The muscle knot, about the size of a pea but very pronounced, would push against a nerve when I would lay down to sleep... shooting some major pain down my right arm. The only time the knot would not pinch the nerve was when I was standing up and the only thing I felt was the soreness from the muscle. I tried everything to get rid of the knot, looked at every youtube video from a physical therapist on how to work the muscle spasm into submission. When I got tired of not sleeping, I finally relented and went to my family doctor and begged... errr... asked for painkillers or even a cortisone shot. Doc said only an orthopedist can inject cortisone and he recommended one. I called the doctor to make an appointment and he said he'd see me late June. WTF! I'm in pain now... so shoot me up now... not in late June. He said get in line. Apparently sports-related injuries of this kind are common. Yes, I hurt my shoulder/upper back working out and playing/practicing for a National Tournamet for volleyball in June. What made it worse was the advice the ortho-doc gave me "Hey, there are a ton of great videos on YouTube on how to work that muscle spasm out. You should try looking at some of them." Ugh! Oddly enough, I went back and noticed one titled "Give yourself a massage to work out knots in your back". Okay, you've peaked my interest.

Apparently there are methods to self-massage yourself (back away people, I'm not talking about that... stay with me). There are also tools that physical therapist use including this contraption (https://www.amazon.com/Body-Back-Original-Trigger-Therapy/dp/B07664ZWSP/ref=asc_df_B07664ZWSP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310135323596&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15917933376125700269&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028226&hvtargid=pla-563820959015&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=62847861838&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=310135323596&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15917933376125700269&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028226&hvtargid=pla-563820959015).  Straight out of the old English torture chambers looks like... or something used in filthy shades of gray. Any how, I decided why not pay someone to go ahead and give me an upper shoulder/back massage. After looking through where to go and discounting almost all of them, I found a place... at Whole Foods. So off I went. I walk in (no appointment necessary), tell the burly 5'8" Russian bald dude (I think he was Russian, he had an accent) "Massage now, upper right side, back... stat!" So he sat me on a chair, said he charged by increments of 20 minutes, I said fine because I figured he can work out a knot the size of a pea in 20. "Deal" says I and let the massaging begin!

I put my face into the chair head rest leaning forward onto a circular oh-ring shaped cushion. Oh-ring because that is the sound I kept making when he started the deep rub. He stopped several times to gently and kindly tell me to "man up and stop crying!" (not in those precise words, but the meaning was clear). He had some serious massaging to do to get that bugger. I don't know this for a fact but I suspect muscle spasms have a mind of their own and dodge and weave in order to avoid the roaming hands of a professional massuse. He went at the muscle from every angle possible including one very uncomfortable (for me) position from the front of the chair while stepping up a few pegs on the front of the chair legs to get leverage. Now the "oh" yelps were for a very different reason, man croutch is not very complimentary to having to pay for this treatment. I wanted a discount for having to endure this procedure. But he was determined and he went after that knot. And I will admit there were a few times I felt the wind go out of my lungs with the attack mode he used to get that knot to tap out. After twenty minutes he asked if I felt better and I said "Yes" through the tears. I stood up and he had to catch me because I almost went to my knees from the shear trauma of being beat up from the neck to shoulder area. And I paid him.

A day later the knot came back. Damnit! I have to admit the cortisone shot being administered by some shady underground, fight-club, nefarious means was very inviting to me. But I was given muscle relaxers by my own doctor the first time I saw him and within three days, the knot had relented and now after five days it's gone. Or is in hiding for now. I'll always remember my very first massage for possibly all the wrong reasons. I did feel better for a few hours that day, but also felt the need to shower away the shame and tears as well... several times.

What were we talking about again.... I forgot.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on May 31, 2019, 03:02:00 pm
Correa addresses injury on wife’s YouTube channel:

https://youtu.be/tVKLVmv8RZY
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 31, 2019, 03:16:41 pm
... Alcohol may have been involved.
Before, during or after?
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 31, 2019, 03:30:45 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on May 31, 2019, 04:09:56 pm
Correa addresses injury on wife’s YouTube channel:

https://youtu.be/tVKLVmv8RZY
He may need other tests. If his bones are that brittle, there may be other issues.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on May 31, 2019, 04:34:18 pm
alcohol involvement does not always lead to a happy ending 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 31, 2019, 05:02:59 pm
Correa addresses injury on wife’s YouTube channel:

https://youtu.be/tVKLVmv8RZY

Thanks for sharing.

What a crazy situation.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on June 01, 2019, 03:43:09 am
I was just perusing the injury list and it is sobering:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/injuries/#team117 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/injuries/#team117)

How injured is Altuve? He hasn't been himself as a player all season even when he wasn't injured. What level of play will he have when he returns?

Springer is listed with a "Grade 2" hamstring pull. I'm not an expert, but when they give it a grade that can't be good. We may not see George until after the ASB. Correa was having great year before he was injured and we will be lucky to see him before the ASB, and more likely in August.

I think every win between now and the ASB will be difficult and precious. It's possible the Astros could be challenged for the division even though that seems unlikely now. If, however, they can win enough until the team gets back to full strength around mid to late August, they will be set for a good playoff run.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 01, 2019, 07:16:36 am

I think every win between now and the ASB will be difficult and precious. It's possible the Astros could be challenged for the division even though that seems unlikely now. If, however, they can win enough until the team gets back to full strength around mid to late August, they will be set for a good playoff run.

Oakland got to 6.5 games back last week.   This series is big. 

Like you said,  every win the Hospital Ship Astros get is precious.

As for the injured,  McTaggart Tweeted this last night:

Quote
No real movement on any of the Astros injured players:
-- Diaz and Springer both ran and swung the bat today
-- Altuve took ground balls in early work
-- Stassi is in Houston working out
-- Joe Smith threw 20-pitch live BP in WPB
-- McHugh played catch and felt good.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 01, 2019, 08:37:12 am
Springer’s is encouraging.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: SoonerJim on June 03, 2019, 12:41:36 pm
Springer’s is encouraging.

Klay Thompson has a hamstring injury and might play Wednesday, how do they do that?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 03, 2019, 12:48:36 pm
Klay Thompson has a hamstring injury and might play Wednesday, how do they do that?
The NBA Finals and baseball in May/June are not the same thing. If it was October then a hammy might not keep you out but during the season there isn't much reason to rush back

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on June 03, 2019, 01:34:01 pm
The NBA Finals and baseball in May/June are not the same thing. If it was October then a hammy might not keep you out but during the season there isn't much reason to rush back

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Lest we not forget that a busted knee - so busted, in fact, that it underwent surgery the very day after the Astros' postseason elimination - kept Altuve out for a portion of the regular season but not the ALDS/ALCS.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 03, 2019, 02:30:19 pm
Lest we not forget that a busted knee - so busted, in fact, that it underwent surgery the very day after the Astros' postseason elimination - kept Altuve out for a portion of the regular season but not the ALDS/ALCS.

Altuve's knee
Correa's back
McCullers' UCL

I'm sure there were more.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 04, 2019, 02:50:41 pm
Hinch during his weekly spot on MLB Radio today had some encouraging news about Altuve. He said Jose’s workout yesterday was the best workout he has had since he had knee surgery. He took BP in the cage and then asked to move to the field which they let him do. Hinch said that for the first time Altuve is able to put the proper weight on his right leg when he swings, which he hasn’t been able to do since the surgery. Hence the poor offensive numbers to start the year. He did say Altuve is sore but that “he’s sore in the right places.” They May let him do even more today if he is fine when they get to the park. Don’t expect him back however until sometime AFTER the next home stand. AJ sounded like best case scenario could be a rehab assignment after that home stand.

He also mentioned Springer. Said George is doing fine but they will error on side of caution. They will hold him back and extra game or three for sure rather than cutting it short to get him on the field. He is also taking BP and doing activities.

No real info about Diaz or Stassi.


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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on June 04, 2019, 03:09:23 pm
No news on McHugh or Smith?
Rogers on the 25 man roster demonstrates the non-existent pitching depth in the organization  Hinch won't him Rogers in a game that is in doubt and apparently there is no one at AAA that is a better choice.
I am guessing that Luhnow is working overtime trying to find pitchers from other teams that he can bring on board.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 04, 2019, 04:03:33 pm
Hinch during his weekly spot on MLB Radio today had some encouraging news about Altuve. He said Jose’s workout yesterday was the best workout he has had since he had knee surgery. He took BP in the cage and then asked to move to the field which they let him do. Hinch said that for the first time Altuve is able to put the proper weight on his right leg when he swings, which he hasn’t been able to do since the surgery. Hence the poor offensive numbers to start the year. He did say Altuve is sore but that “he’s sore in the right places.” They May let him do even more today if he is fine when they get to the park. Don’t expect him back however until sometime AFTER the next home stand. AJ sounded like best case scenario could be a rehab assignment after that home stand.

He also mentioned Springer. Said George is doing fine but they will error on side of caution. They will hold him back and extra game or three for sure rather than cutting it short to get him on the field. He is also taking BP and doing activities.

No real info about Diaz or Stassi.


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Nothing about Correa either. I have no inside info, but I can make an informed inference: the .org is very pissed.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 04, 2019, 04:19:10 pm
Nothing about Correa either. I have no inside info, but I can make an informed inference: the .org is very pissed.
They did ask him about Correa, but AJ didn’t say anything more than what we already know.

They didn’t ask him about McHugh or Smith.

They did ask about Martin and his struggles. AJ’s reply was what you would expect regarding Corbin’s control. He lamented about the fact that Martin doesn’t seem to attack hitters like they want him to. I got no hint of what they plan to do with him based off what AJ said.

One more thing, they asked about Straw and his speed, and it is clear AJ loves him. I have a feeling that if AJ has a say in it, Straw ain’t going anywhere.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on June 04, 2019, 04:22:20 pm
Thanks for the info, TP21. I guess I need to figure out when those MLB radio spots are.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on June 04, 2019, 04:23:04 pm
Nothing about Correa either. I have no inside info, but I can make an informed inference: the .org is very pissed.

Maybe, with Correa's injury being the most recent, they have nothing new to report?
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 04, 2019, 04:31:33 pm
Thanks for the info, TP21. I guess I need to figure out when those MLB radio spots are.
AJ is on MLB radio every Tuesday at 12:30PM eastern.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on June 04, 2019, 11:12:27 pm
McCutcheon out for year, torn acl. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on June 07, 2019, 03:26:25 pm
Mitch Haniger to the IL with a ruptured testicle. That sounds awful.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on June 07, 2019, 03:30:53 pm
Mitch Haniger to the IL with a ruptured testicle. That sounds awful.

I hope that wasn't from a massage recommendation from Correa.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on June 07, 2019, 04:27:15 pm
Mitch Haniger to the IL with a ruptured testicle. That sounds awful.
AAAAAAAAH.

Couldn’t they just say “unspecified groin injury?” In the same way we didn’t need to know about Matsui’s anal fissures?


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 07, 2019, 04:39:56 pm
AAAAAAAAH.

Couldn’t they just say “unspecified groin injury?” In the same way we didn’t need to know about Matsui’s anal fissures?


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The Astros would’ve listed it as “testicular discomfort.”


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 07, 2019, 06:17:17 pm
The Astros would’ve listed it as “testicular discomfort.”


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Middle body discomfort
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 07, 2019, 07:44:30 pm
According to Wikipedia. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicular_rupture)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 07, 2019, 08:04:31 pm
According to Wikipedia. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicular_rupture)
T. M. I.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2019, 10:39:18 pm
I feel bad for Haniger because I know what testicular discomfort feels like.  But how the fuck did he injure it in CF?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on June 08, 2019, 12:07:33 am
I feel bad for Haniger because I know what testicular discomfort feels like.  But how the fuck did he injure it in CF?

He swung through a pitch in the 3rd or the 6th (not sure which but I think it was the 3rd) from verlander that went straight into his groin. He went to a knee. Not sure how he stayed in to finish the at bat much less take the field afterward. He didn’t come out until the 7th.

I saw the play and I’m not sure if he turned into the pitch or actually fouled it, but it was a direct hit.

http://sportspressnw.com/2243431/2019/haniger-feels-something-worse-than-ms-season
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2019, 09:32:06 am
He swung through a pitch in the 3rd or the 6th (not sure which but I think it was the 3rd) from verlander that went straight into his groin. He went to a knee. Not sure how he stayed in to finish the at bat much less take the field afterward. He didn’t come out until the 7th.

I saw the play and I’m not sure if he turned into the pitch or actually fouled it, but it was a direct hit.

http://sportspressnw.com/2243431/2019/haniger-feels-something-worse-than-ms-season

I still have sympathy for him, but a little less.  He obviously was not wearing a cup. Dumbass. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 08, 2019, 11:01:39 am
I wonder if Colin Moran wished he had a cup on his face that one time he fouled the ball off of it.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on June 08, 2019, 01:46:45 pm
I wonder if Colin Moran wished he had a cup on his face that one time he fouled the ball off of it.

I don't recall.  Did he have a face guard?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2019, 01:57:07 pm
I don't recall.  Did he have a face guard?

He did not, but it would not have helped anyway.  The ball hit him on the opposite side of his face. 

BTW, Moran is having a nice year with the Pirates... .279, 8 HR and 32 RBI so far...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 08, 2019, 02:07:19 pm
He did not, but it would not have helped anyway.  The ball hit him on the opposite side of his face. 

BTW, Moran is having a nice year with the Pirates... .279, 8 HR and 32 RBI so far...
Michael Feliz on the other hand...

12R 11ER over 12 innings.

Yikes

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on June 08, 2019, 04:05:53 pm
He did not, but it would not have helped anyway.  The ball hit him on the opposite side of his face. 

BTW, Moran is having a nice year with the Pirates... .279, 8 HR and 32 RBI so far...

Good to hear, Moran's success after such a severe injury.

Did not realize that Chirinos lost all of 2012 due to a concussion during ST.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 09, 2019, 12:43:27 pm
FYI, on radio this morning with Bowden and Duquette, Luhnow says Altuve should be back before Springer and Diaz. Like we’ve read/heard elsewhere, looks like rehab assignments could be forthcoming before the end of this homestand.

Update: Luhnow just said on pregame show that Diaz felt something running prior to today’s game. That has probably set him back a little.

Joe Smith is looking at a return just prior to all-star break.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on June 13, 2019, 09:35:19 pm
Sassi is batting 3rd for RR tonight (1 for 4, with a 2B).
https://www.milb.com/gameday/aces-vs-express/2019/06/13/580148#game_state=live,game_tab=,game=580148 (https://www.milb.com/gameday/aces-vs-express/2019/06/13/580148#game_state=live,game_tab=,game=580148)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on June 14, 2019, 02:57:20 pm
Altuve and McHugh start rehab assignments in RR this evening.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 17, 2019, 10:52:19 pm
Check out Altuve's gait on this 'triple'.

https://twitter.com/RRExpress/status/1140798385387114496?s=09 (https://twitter.com/RRExpress/status/1140798385387114496?s=09)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 17, 2019, 10:57:55 pm
Check out Altuve's gait on this 'triple'.

https://twitter.com/RRExpress/status/1140798385387114496?s=09 (https://twitter.com/RRExpress/status/1140798385387114496?s=09)
Saw that earlier. Not exactly promising running there. But maybe just wasn't busting it, idk

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 18, 2019, 06:51:14 am
Saw that earlier. Not exactly promising running there. But maybe just wasn't busting it, idk

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It was a lazy fly ball that the LF lost sight of — let it drop 35 yards away and had to chase it down.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 18, 2019, 07:52:09 am
He was not running. Thought it was routine out.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duman on June 18, 2019, 08:56:22 am
He was not running. Thought it was routine out.

I think the bigger concern is his running from 2nd to 3rd and the way he came up from the slide.  None of that looked right.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 18, 2019, 11:46:12 am
Hinch was just on radio. Said Altuve is on his way to Cincinnati as we speak. He could be activated tomorrow.

AJ said Springer is going to run the bases in about an hour. If all is good he is probably headed out for rehab assignment. Could see him next week.

McHugh gonna throw one more time in minors.

Stassi going to appear in a few more games as well and.

No mention of Diaz.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on June 18, 2019, 12:09:04 pm
Thanks for the update.  Nothing on the massage victim?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on June 18, 2019, 12:54:19 pm
its almost like he does not exist...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 18, 2019, 01:02:07 pm
Thanks for the update.  Nothing on the massage victim?
No, CC wasn’t discussed. Unless they can mend bones with a potion a la Harry Potter to speed up the healing process, I’m guessing we are about 2 weeks away from hearing how close he is.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 18, 2019, 01:04:52 pm
No, CC wasn’t discussed. Unless they can mend bones with a potion a la Harry Potter to speed up the healing process, I’m guessing we are about 2 weeks away from hearing how close he is.


Yeah. We're only three weeks into what was optimistically expected to be a four to six week process. I wouldn't expect anything now other than "continuing to monitor."
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on June 18, 2019, 01:40:56 pm
McHugh's rehab work has yielded 3 innings, 3 hits, 3 runs, 2 BBs, 3SOs. Not dominating AAA or AA.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on June 18, 2019, 01:47:11 pm
McHugh's rehab work has yielded 3 innings, 3 hits, 3 runs, 2 BBs, 3SOs. Not dominating AAA or AA.

It's all about reps, not outs or score.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 18, 2019, 01:56:45 pm
It's all about reps, not outs or score.

Exactly
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 18, 2019, 03:10:45 pm
It's all about reps, not outs or score.

There's a highlight of one of his strikeouts last night.  Filthy curve ball for strike three.  Looked like pre-injury quality to me.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on June 18, 2019, 03:59:23 pm
There's a highlight of one of his strikeouts last night.  Filthy curve ball for strike three.  Looked like pre-injury quality to me.

 Best news I’ve heard all day. The week will be capped off well if I hear he’s going to the pen (I love pen McHugh) and Framber is staying in the rotation.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 18, 2019, 04:19:41 pm
Best news I’ve heard all day. The week will be capped off well if I hear he’s going to the pen (I love pen McHugh) and Framber is staying in the rotation.

https://twitter.com/cchooks/status/1140791996006785027
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 18, 2019, 05:05:43 pm
Altuve to be activated tomorrow

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on June 18, 2019, 05:46:09 pm
so the beginning of the end for who and who  will stay
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 18, 2019, 05:51:01 pm
so the beginning of the end for who and who  will stay

Altuve for Mayfield, right?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on June 18, 2019, 06:10:03 pm
Altuve for Mayfield, right?

I would imagine so. Keeps the most options open, although it pretty much means full-time SS for Bregman (I don't really think Straw is viable there except in short stretches).
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 18, 2019, 06:13:35 pm
Best news I’ve heard all day. The week will be capped off well if I hear he’s going to the pen (I love pen McHugh) and Framber is staying in the rotation.

This!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 18, 2019, 06:17:15 pm
I would imagine so. Keeps the most options open, although it pretty much means full-time SS for Bregman (I don't really think Straw is viable there except in short stretches).

Radical thought: Altuve comes back, Tyler White is gone. Mayfield stays because you want to ensure Altuve gets time at DH some times. Although Kemp has been serviceable at second base, I'd like for them to keep Mayfield for short and second for just a little while longer.

Means going ahead and pulling the rip cord on White and Yuli goes back to first for a good stretch.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 18, 2019, 06:22:30 pm
Altuve for Mayfield, right?
My bet would be Straw. I think Mayfield stays until Diaz is back. If Mayfield goes then you lack good options at 3rd and SS behind the starters. Kemp can do most of what Straw does, just with less speed

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on June 18, 2019, 06:23:07 pm
Radical thought: Altuve comes back, Tyler White is gone. Mayfield stays because you want to ensure Altuve gets time at DH some times. Although Kemp has been serviceable at second base, I'd like for them to keep Mayfield for short and second for just a little while longer.

Means going ahead and pulling the rip cord on White and Yuli goes back to first for a good stretch.

Yeah, maybe they've reached the end of the road with White. But I still suspect that Luhnow will try to package him in a trade rather than just give him up for absolutely nothing. Not that he has much leverage.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on June 18, 2019, 06:23:28 pm
Radical thought: Altuve comes back, Tyler White is gone. Mayfield stays because you want to ensure Altuve gets time at DH some times. Although Kemp has been serviceable at second base, I'd like for them to keep Mayfield for short and second for just a little while longer.

Means going ahead and pulling the rip cord on White and Yuli goes back to first for a good stretch.
I think Spinger coming back will be what makes White run out of rope

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 18, 2019, 06:28:54 pm
I think Spinger coming back will be what makes White run out of rope

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Don't disagree with this, my thought was a bit radical. But I also agree that you cannot afford to lose Mayfield right now with no Correa and Altuve still working his way to 100%. So your idea that it might be Straw is more possible than White, but I'd like them to go ahead and expose The Shark to waivers. It just may be that he'll make it through and choose to accept the assignment to Round Rock to get his mojo back.... because right now, he doesn't have any.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 18, 2019, 06:50:45 pm
You're all crazy. If Alvarez is doing fine when either Correa or Diaz return (whoever is last) then White will go.  Or after both Correa and Diaz return and Alvarez is doing poorly then Alvarez goes down.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on June 18, 2019, 07:30:03 pm
You're all crazy. If Alvarez is doing fine when either Correa or Diaz return (whoever is last) then White will go.  Or after both Correa and Diaz return and Alvarez is doing poorly then Alvarez goes down.

But somebody has to go tomorrow. Who's that going to be?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 18, 2019, 08:49:56 pm
But somebody has to go tomorrow. Who's that going to be?

Someone with options.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on June 19, 2019, 12:03:11 am
Someone with options.
I guess it will be Myles Straw, unless they elect to go back to twelve pitchers, then it might be Perez.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on June 19, 2019, 08:19:25 am
Hopefully the last week is an indication that White is starting to go on one of his patented (if infrequent) tears which will serve to increase his trade value.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on June 19, 2019, 08:45:49 am
Hopefully the last week is an indication that White is starting to go on one of his patented (if infrequent) tears which will serve to increase his trade value.

That would be nice, but I suspect the days of being able to hoodwink another GM with a hot streak and a story are over.

Although this reminds me of one of my all-time favorite trade stories. Some Cubs exec "happened" to be sitting next to George Steinbrenner on a flight or at a dinner or something, and just "happened" to mention the name of some prospect (George Frazier, in my memory, but see below) and how he's lighting things up. Then he clams up and won't talk about him anymore. Before you know it, the Yankees are on the phone with the Cubs trying to put together a trade for Frazier and wind up wildly over-paying, and the Cubs walk away rubbing their hands like Mr. Burns.

Sadly, after checking his transaction history on baseball-reference.com, it seems that George Frazier couldn't possibly have been the player involved (if the story is even true). He was involved in trades involving the Cubs and separate trades involving the Yankees, but never a trade between those two clubs. Has anybody else ever heard this story? Do you remember the player(s) involved?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on June 19, 2019, 09:15:18 am
If you had your money on Perez being sent down collect your winnings.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 19, 2019, 10:06:58 am
If you had your money on Perez being sent down collect your winnings.

The Astros don't play more than 6 consecutive games between now and the ASB.  Going with 12 pitchers makes some sense.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 19, 2019, 10:33:12 am
There is an article on MLB network about Altuve being re-activated. In the article the subject of the video that was posted on here with Altuve legging out the triple was discussed. It was addressed by Jose and AJ and it appeared each was kind of surprised at the way Altuve was running in the video. I guess the medical staff would not have cleared him if he wasn’t 100% healthy, but I will not feel completely comfortable until I see him hitting like the old Jose.




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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 19, 2019, 10:42:04 am
There is an article on MLB network about Altuve being re-activated. In the article the subject of the video that was posted on here with Altuve legging out the triple was discussed. It was addressed by Jose and AJ and it appeared each was kind of surprised at the way Altuve was running in the video. I guess the medical staff would not have cleared him if he wasn’t 100% healthy, but I will not feel completely comfortable until I see him hitting like the old Jose.




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Hinch addressed this. Perhaps you should read what he said before you faint.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jaklewein on June 19, 2019, 10:44:39 am
There is an article on MLB network about Altuve being re-activated. In the article the subject of the video that was posted on here with Altuve legging out the triple was discussed. It was addressed by Jose and AJ and it appeared each was kind of surprised at the way Altuve was running in the video. I guess the medical staff would not have cleared him if he wasn’t 100% healthy, but I will not feel completely comfortable until I see him hitting like the old Jose.




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I was at the game yesterday. Altuve hit about 3 homers to RCF during batting practice. I know it was GABallpark but ball was jumping off his bat.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 01:23:10 pm
Hopefully the last week is an indication that White is starting to go on one of his patented (if infrequent) tears which will serve to increase his trade value.

Tyler White
Last 7 Games:  BA:.316 | OBP:.480 | SLG:.526 | OPS:1.006  | SO: 5 | BB: 6
Last 15 Games: BA: .273 |   OBP:.421 | SLG:.455 | OPS: .876 | SO: 14 | BB: 12
Last 30 Games: BA: .242 | OBP:.366 | SLG:.409 | OPS:.775 | SO: 21 | BB: 14
Season: BA: 235 | OBP:.343 | SLG:.342 | OPS:.685 | SO:  54 | BB: 26

He's put together a good week's worth of work.  His slugging numbers are up and so is his on-base percentage. But his walks to strikeout ratio remains about the same (his real contrinution is he's either going to walk or strikeout and on occasion he'll get a hit or two but not consistently). So he's going to strikeout at about the same clip as his three month average tells you. On average, he's basically striking out about 20 times per month. He is trending to about 110 to 120 strikeouts for the season. Last season, in 66 games he struck out 49 times. He's played in 50 games this season and has 54 strikeouts. Pretty much tells you he's at best a bench player and never a starter. He just doesn't drive in runs enough to justify a starting job. The occasional good week from him might be overlooked on a team with all the other hitters playing but not on a team that needs production from his position. The team is carrying him for now and that is costing them. Oh, by the way if you look at Yuli's stats, he does much better work than White including his last 7 days where he's been putting up better numbers. He strikes out about half the amount of time as White, so his season average in strikeouts is around 60 or so. Less strikeouts means he puts the ball in play a lot more. He doesn't walk as much as White though, but walks don't generally drive in runs and that is what you want from the 1st baseman/DH type.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 01:33:40 pm
BTW if you want to see who is really struggling hitting a bseball right now, take a look at Jake Marisnick's stats. It is downright ugly. Mendoza would be gloating about how much better he was than Jake. Face it, Jake is a huge drop-off from George Springer. I mean a Grand Canyon drop in production. Pitchers appreciate his defense, but during this stretch the pitching has had little margin for error. A two run lead by the opposition seems like a 10 run deficit sometimes. Plus you have pitchers trying to do too much to keep the other team at bay and wind up making mistakes in the strikezone. A lot of homeruns by the opposition lately and that is entirely trying to do too much to challenge the other team's hitters because you cannot afford to pitch corners with the lack of production from your own team.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on June 19, 2019, 01:59:56 pm
BTW if you want to see who is really struggling hitting a bseball right now, take a look at Jake Marisnick's stats. It is downright ugly. Mendoza would be gloating about how much better he was than Jake. Face it, Jake is a huge drop-off from George Springer. I mean a Grand Canyon drop in production. Pitchers appreciate his defense, but during this stretch the pitching has had little margin for error. A two run lead by the opposition seems like a 10 run deficit sometimes. Plus you have pitchers trying to do too much to keep the other team at bay and wind up making mistakes in the strikezone. A lot of homeruns by the opposition lately and that is entirely trying to do too much to challenge the other team's hitters because you cannot afford to pitch corners with the lack of production from your own team.

Weird take. Springer and Marisnik has played in the same outfield a ton this season before Springer got hurt. I don't think any Astro is expecting Marisnik to replace Springer.

The lack of offensive output from the guys that are supposed to be good hitters and are sucking hind tit (or are sitting on the IL not producing at all) are much more the culprit than Marisnik falling off.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 02:03:57 pm
Weird take. Springer and Marisnik has played in the same outfield a ton this season before Springer got hurt. I don't think any Astro is expecting Marisnik to replace Springer.

The lack of offensive output from the guys that are supposed to be good hitters and are sucking hind tit (or are sitting on the IL not producing at all) are much more the culprit than Marisnik falling off.

Jake is not a starter, he is a late inning replacement. Because of the injuries, he's now asked to play more and that is exposing his lack of production. Makes others have to do more in this lineup. So basically, yeah, he's not producing as a starter because he's basically not a starter and never will be. So yes, others being injured means he gets to play and that means he's producing well below Mendoza. I would rather see Straw play more than Jake for that matter. Straw is the bench player, Marisnick the starter. Should be the other way around.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on June 19, 2019, 02:25:25 pm
Jake is not a starter, he is a late inning replacement. Because of the injuries, he's now asked to play more and that is exposing his lack of production. Makes others have to do more in this lineup. So basically, yeah, he's not producing as a starter because he's basically not a starter and never will be. So yes, others being injured means he gets to play and that means he's producing well below Mendoza. I would rather see Straw play more than Jake for that matter. Straw is the bench player, Marisnick the starter. Should be the other way around.

Some of us get it, you don't like Marisnick.  I don't feel as confident as you do that Straw would be a bigger upgrade.  But, that's what's great about this place, we can disagree.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 02:26:27 pm
Some of us get it, you don't like Marisnick.  I don't feel as confident as you do that Straw would be a bigger upgrade.  But, that's what's great about this place, we can disagree.

No, you don't get it. I don't dislike Marisnick at all.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on June 19, 2019, 02:36:22 pm
No, you don't get it. I don't dislike Marisnick at all.

You're just mistakenly focusing this team's struggles on him, that's all.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 02:50:32 pm
You're just mistakenly focusing this team's struggles on him, that's all.

Not at all. Never said that. I said he's deep in the mire and doesn't belong in the starting lineup. Take a look at his stats and if you're going to say White doesn't belong in the starting lineup, you have to say that also applies to Marisnick. And Garret Stubbs. But right now, you have to use bench players like Marisnick to start and that is not what they bring to the club. They are bench players. Period. It's asking a lot of a good defensive late inning replacement to be a starter and produce. Marisnick is basically showing you that it is.

Nothing in what I'm saying is that I hate Marisnick. Or even White for that matter. It is what it is and I can't make either of them starters just by myopically deciding I "like" or "dislike" either one. It's about how they fit on the team not about "liking".
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 19, 2019, 03:13:35 pm
Not at all. Never said that. I said he's deep in the mire and doesn't belong in the starting lineup. Take a look at his stats and if you're going to say White doesn't belong in the starting lineup, you have to say that also applies to Marisnick. And Garret Stubbs. But right now, you have to use bench players like Marisnick to start and that is not what they bring to the club. They are bench players. Period. It's asking a lot of a good defensive late inning replacement to be a starter and produce. Marisnick is basically showing you that it is.

Nothing in what I'm saying is that I hate Marisnick. Or even White for that matter. It is what it is and I can't make either of them starters just by myopically deciding I "like" or "dislike" either one. It's about how they fit on the team not about "liking".

Marisnick started lots of games before the injuries. Stubbs is a bench player or maybe on his way back to AAA.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 03:31:03 pm
Marisnick started lots of games before the injuries. Stubbs is a bench player or maybe on his way back to AAA.

Yes, Stubbs has not impressed so far. It would be okay if he were a better defensive catcher but his ability as a receiver has some holes that he will need to continue to work on. As far as Marisnick being a spot starter, fine, but his stats for the last 30 days are woeful so I would think they would want *more* from a full-time starter. I get it, it's only part-time until Springer gets back and then you have Reddick, Alvarez, Brantley, and Springer *ahead* of Marisnick for the starting outfield rotation. That to me is better and not having Marisnick in his current position as a full-time starter. He serves the team better as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. That is his value-add to the team.

None of that is me hating on Jake. In fact, it's about telling him he does have value... just not in his current role. He can't consistently hit a major league thrown baseball as he's proving right now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 19, 2019, 03:45:02 pm
Yes, Stubbs has not impressed so far. It would be okay if he were a better defensive catcher but his ability as a receiver has some holes that he will need to continue to work on. As far as Marisnick being a spot starter, fine, but his stats for the last 30 days are woeful so I would think they would want *more* from a full-time starter. I get it, it's only part-time until Springer gets back and then you have Reddick, Alvarez, Brantley, and Springer *ahead* of Marisnick for the starting outfield rotation. That to me is better and not having Marisnick in his current position as a full-time starter. He serves the team better as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. That is his value-add to the team.

None of that is me hating on Jake. In fact, it's about telling him he does have value... just not in his current role. He can't consistently hit a major league thrown baseball as he's proving right now.



I wrote Stubbs/meant Straw.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 03:52:16 pm
I wrote Stubbs/meant Straw.

I like Straw a lot more at the #9, second leadoff role in the lineup than Marisnick right now. IMHO of course. I just think Straw gives the team as much as Marisnick can in his role when others return and then some. I think he's a more patient hitter, makes the pitcher throw him strikes, hits the ball back up the middle a lot and runs the bases as well if not better than Marisnick. Marisnick, on the other hand, can slug better than Straw when he is occasionally spot starting. So it's what you want for a #9 hitter that will dictate who and why you would want to keep one over the other. Plus Kemp started to take some time away from Jake at #9 when everyone was healthy too because of what I think Straw can give you. So apparently there is value in both approaches at the #9, it's just what is your flavor, strawberry or vanilla.

That's not under valuing Marisnick, that just my own humble opinion. But what I do feel strongly about is when a team has to use Marisnick a lot as a starter, they get exactly what he's giving the Astros right now. Which is really woeful production offensively. Oh, and by the way, if Marisnick's knee injury is the reason he's doing badly at hitting the last 90 games he's played, then he needs to come clean to management and say it's injury that is keeping him from producing. He's not doing anyone any favors playing with an injured knee that is making him a hole in the lineup.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on June 19, 2019, 04:12:03 pm
Why are we doing this? The club has hung in remarkably well despite disabling injuries to some of their biggest producers. Some guys, Marisnick is one, are being asked to do more than they are expected to do in the original configuration of this club. I get it that losing three of three to Cincy is somewhat alarming but why over-analyze the roster composition now with the injuries. They were due a bad stretch.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 19, 2019, 04:35:01 pm
Why are we doing this? The club has hung in remarkably well despite disabling injuries to some of their biggest producers. Some guys, Marisnick is one, are being asked to do more than they are expected to do in the original configuration of this club. I get it that losing three of three to Cincy is somewhat alarming but why over-analyze the roster composition now with the injuries. They were due a bad stretch.

Are you new here? You have read those posts before.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 04:46:52 pm
Why are we doing this? The club has hung in remarkably well despite disabling injuries to some of their biggest producers. Some guys, Marisnick is one, are being asked to do more than they are expected to do in the original configuration of this club. I get it that losing three of three to Cincy is somewhat alarming but why over-analyze the roster composition now with the injuries. They were due a bad stretch.

Over-analyze? Really? Okay, tell me the sacred cows on the team so I'll never mention them again in any post. You guys are thin-skinned.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 19, 2019, 06:02:24 pm
Over-analyze? Really? Okay, tell me the sacred cows on the team so I'll never mention them again in any post. You guys are thin-skinned.
Well ... now that you mention it, please do not go off on Julio Gotay's lack of power or advanced age.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 19, 2019, 06:13:13 pm
Well ... now that you mention it, please do not go off on Julio Gotay's lack of power or advanced age.

Got it. I was thinking I should lay off bullpen catcher Brocamonte. He has evil eyes but kids love him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on June 19, 2019, 09:11:03 pm
Over-analyze? Really? Okay, tell me the sacred cows on the team so I'll never mention them again in any post. You guys are thin-skinned.

Don’t you dare go after Julia Morales.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 20, 2019, 01:14:58 am
Don’t you dare go after Julia Morales.


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If Julia hadn't eaten that Skyline "chili" the Stros win the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on June 20, 2019, 08:11:21 am
If Julia hadn't eaten that Skyline "chili" the Stros win the last 2 games.
As a disclaimer I believe in taking one for the team...But there aint no chili in that Cincy Skyline sludge right? I always thought slump busting meals had to be some form of chili derivatives, ie...Frito pie and such. Willing to learn if I'm wrong though...

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 20, 2019, 09:56:25 am
I'm not that worried about getting swept by the Reds. Those of you who haven't been paying attention to the Reds, they've got a nice core nucleus of everyday players. In my view, with Castillo or even deSclafani on the bump, the Reds aren't far off from being a wild card team in the NL Central. Simply put, the Reds are better than you think.

I'm also not going to panic or wail or gnash teeth over the Marisnick/Straw argument. I believe that Marisnick's best spot is as fourth outfielder because of the lack of production. I've been very pleased that the club has done what it's done without Altuve, Springer and Correa.

Calm down.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BUWebguy on June 20, 2019, 10:37:47 am
Anyone who was able to watch the game yesterday -- how did Altuve look?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 20, 2019, 10:40:49 am
Anyone who was able to watch the game yesterday -- how did Altuve look?

Ok. Hit the ball each time but 0-4.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 10:44:44 am
I'm not that worried about getting swept by the Reds. Those of you who haven't been paying attention to the Reds, they've got a nice core nucleus of everyday players. In my view, with Castillo or even deSclafani on the bump, the Reds aren't far off from being a wild card team in the NL Central. Simply put, the Reds are better than you think.

I'm also not going to panic or wail or gnash teeth over the Marisnick/Straw argument. I believe that Marisnick's best spot is as fourth outfielder because of the lack of production. I've been very pleased that the club has done what it's done without Altuve, Springer and Correa.

Calm down.

How in the world do you guys get to "panic" and "worry" when it comes to just an observation about Marisnick. I think some of you have reading and comprehension disorders. Might want to get that checked out.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 10:46:13 am
Anyone who was able to watch the game yesterday -- how did Altuve look?

He looked okay, but he is getting his swing back in order so it is to be expected. Basically, he's going through spring training again. It's going to take time.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 20, 2019, 11:01:16 am
How in the world do you guys get to "panic" and "worry" when it comes to just an observation about Marisnick. I think some of you have reading and comprehension disorders. Might want to get that checked out.
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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 11:04:09 am
^^This


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Nothing says love more than a chicken little sky is falling post in the TZ. But now seems people are conditioned to think everyone is chicken little. Seems a bit paranoid and pavlovian all wrapped into one.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 20, 2019, 11:21:48 am
He looked okay, but he is getting his swing back in order so it is to be expected. Basically, he's going through spring training again. It's going to take time.

How did he look moving and running?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on June 20, 2019, 11:25:32 am
How did he look moving and running?

Better than White


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 20, 2019, 11:29:05 am
How did he look moving and running?

Normal
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 12:00:11 pm
How did he look moving and running?

There was one telling play where Blummer exclaimed "Heeeee's baaaack!" in terms of being able to play second effectively. It was a pop-up that he immediately screamed everyone off, including White who made an initial move to go after it, but Altuve had those little legs moving so fast as he screamed "I got it". He made a routine play out of it by getting to the spot quickly and camping under the pop fly. No one else dared come near him as he made that play. Altuve then turned and fired a bullet to Bregman as if he were saying "That felt good!".

In short, he looked good out there, no problems.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 20, 2019, 01:25:32 pm
There was one telling play where Blummer exclaimed "Heeeee's baaaack!" in terms of being able to play second effectively. It was a pop-up that he immediately screamed everyone off, including White who made an initial move to go after it, but Altuve had those little legs moving so fast as he screamed "I got it". He made a routine play out of it by getting to the spot quickly and camping under the pop fly. No one else dared come near him as he made that play. Altuve then turned and fired a bullet to Bregman as if he were saying "That felt good!".

In short, he looked good out there, no problems.

Normal

The most encouraging news yet. Thanks.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Kit on June 20, 2019, 03:11:45 pm
Anyone who was able to watch the game yesterday -- how did Altuve look?

I listened to Sparky and he said Altuve was able to plant and throw on a couple of the dp's much better than before.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 03:20:23 pm
I listened to Sparky and he said Altuve was able to plant and throw on a couple of the dp's much better than before.

Oh yeah, his turns on the DPs were excellent... way better than Kemp, about as good as Super Jack's turns. Felt good to see him throwing like that.. legs well planted.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on June 20, 2019, 10:26:42 pm
Seems a bit paranoid and pavlovian all wrapped into one.
This place is positively paralovian.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Noe on June 20, 2019, 10:28:53 pm
This place is positively paralovian.

Ya never know what will make folks pee in their pants.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 21, 2019, 02:43:15 pm
Stassi has been activated from the IL and Guduan called up.

Stubbs and Mayfield down.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 21, 2019, 03:13:59 pm
Stassi has been activated from the IL and Guduan called up.

Stubbs and Mayfield down.

Super Jack did a good job.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Tom Servo on June 21, 2019, 04:54:34 pm
Super Jack did a good job.
Yep. Wasn't stellar offensively, but when he did hit, it was fun. Most, if not all, of his hits were extra bases, I believe. But defensively, he was rock solid, and made some crucial plays. And he was just a damn good story.

Hold your head high, Jack. You made it.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 24, 2019, 10:40:54 am
Springer returns tomorrow.  The Astros play 6 in a row then get about as many off days as games until the ASB.  Good bet Guduan gets sent down tomorrow rather than Straw?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on June 24, 2019, 10:43:06 am
Springer returns tomorrow.  The Astros play 6 in a row then get about as many off days as games until the ASB.  Good bet Guduan gets sent down tomorrow rather than Straw?

Kaplan says that McHugh returns tomorrow, too.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 24, 2019, 10:51:46 am
Kaplan says that McHugh returns tomorrow, too.

I'd guess Armenteros goes down as well then.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 24, 2019, 10:01:36 pm
I'd guess Armenteros goes down as well then.
I agree. And with Super Jack gone, they probably need someone besides Bergman & White who has ever played SS, so Straw stays. We do NOT want to see this version of White at SS.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on June 25, 2019, 10:34:51 am
I'd guess Armenteros goes down as well then.

2 for 2. Those are indeed the moves.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 25, 2019, 10:42:33 am
2 for 2. Those are indeed the moves.

Given the coming schedule that was too easy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 25, 2019, 11:03:56 am
If then the current updated 25-man roster holds to the ASB what happens after the ASB?  The Astros play 14 straight after the ASB.  That usually means a 13 man staff.  The timing of Correa, Diaz, and Smith's returns will dictate how long White stays on the team.  After the 14 straight the Astros have 4 off days over the next 15 days beginning July 25.  That many days off usually means a 12 man staff.  Depending on those 3 guys' return dates White could be carried to the end of July, if not further.

My guess is that one or more of them will not return until the Astros are 10 or more games (around the home series with the Rangers) through that 14 straight.  That would put them in a position for Luhnow to maximize his time to make deals that might include White.  I think Smith will be the first back.  That will push Straw out leaving Bregman alone to play short.  When either Correa or Diaz return then James (considering he has options and the least time in the majors) will be sent down to go with the 12 man staff heading toward all of those off days.  The last man's return will then be the force behind White's departure.

IMO the result is that Luhnow and Hinch would have done an amazing job of juggling the lineup through July.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 26, 2019, 12:23:15 pm
Corbin Martin to the DL, being evaluated for elbow pain.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on June 26, 2019, 12:35:00 pm
Corbin Martin to the DL, being evaluated for elbow pain.

Speaking of which, has Whitley started throwing again?


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 26, 2019, 12:41:15 pm
Speaking of which, has Whitley started throwing again?


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Within the next couple of weeks, according to Tags, and assuming no setbacks should return to MiLB action around the 21st of July.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 26, 2019, 04:04:33 pm
Corbin Martin to the DL, being evaluated for elbow pain.
Not good [/obvious]
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 28, 2019, 03:32:01 pm
Peacock to the IL. Guduan back up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on June 28, 2019, 03:32:37 pm
Yordan's knee keeping him out of tonight's lineup.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 28, 2019, 03:37:43 pm
Peacock to the IL. Guduan back up.

Good grief.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on June 28, 2019, 03:41:57 pm
Good grief.

At least they don't need more than 3 starting pitchers until after the ASB.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 28, 2019, 04:00:55 pm
At least they don't need more than 3 starting pitchers until after the ASB.

White could be an opener.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on June 28, 2019, 04:02:15 pm
I don't like the injuries, but I think adversity makes them a better team.  Less likely to assume they are going to win it all.

But damn, Luhnow is not in a position of strength  to get starting/relief pitching right now.  So, here's hoping he has some Jedi trading tricks.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on June 28, 2019, 04:06:17 pm
We’re so screwed.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 28, 2019, 04:12:46 pm
I don't like the injuries, but I think adversity makes them a better team.  Less likely to assume they are going to win it all.

But damn, Luhnow is not in a position of strength  to get starting/relief pitching right now.  So, here's hoping he has some Jedi trading tricks.

Agree with both of those points.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2019, 04:36:18 pm
Yordan's knee keeping him out of tonight's lineup.

Hinch’s caution.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on June 29, 2019, 04:17:36 pm
No Alvarez - Day Two and counting.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 30, 2019, 10:10:19 am
per Chandler Rome:  A.J. Hinch said Yuli Gurriel got his walk-off hit “basically operating on one leg.”

Gurriel’s ankle is bothering him, but he wanted to stay in the game. Hinch said Gurriel will get tomorrow off.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 30, 2019, 10:36:52 am
per Chandler Rome:  A.J. Hinch said Yuli Gurriel got his walk-off hit “basically operating on one leg.”

Gurriel’s ankle is bothering him, but he wanted to stay in the game. Hinch said Gurriel will get tomorrow off.

He is a gamer. He had a chance to come out after the review.

ETA: oh, goodie. Tyler White is back. Alvarez also, but no Yuli and no Brantley. Another LHP for them.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 30, 2019, 10:57:07 am
He is a gamer. He had a chance to come out after the review...

I may go to Hell for saying this, but I hope Correa was watching.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on June 30, 2019, 11:11:26 am
I may go to Hell for saying this, but I hope Correa was watching.

I think a broken rib may be a tad different, but I totally get what you are saying.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 30, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
I may go to Hell for saying this, but I hope Correa was watching.

Don't be silly.  You won't go to hell for *that*.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 30, 2019, 01:32:14 pm
I think a broken rib may be a tad different, but I totally get what you are saying.

The thought of trying to swing a bat with broken ribs makes me want to curl up in the fetal position and cry, except that would hurt too much.  It was every bit as debilitating for me as lumbar/disc problems.  Way more painful than when I blew out my knee.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on June 30, 2019, 01:42:35 pm
wow a cornucopia  of ouches..must  have a few interesting stories to go with them
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on June 30, 2019, 05:54:33 pm
The thought of trying to swing a bat with broken ribs makes me want to curl up in the fetal position and cry, except that would hurt too much.  It was every bit as debilitating for me as lumbar/disc problems.  Way more painful than when I blew out my knee.
I hope you at least enjoyed the “massage”.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on June 30, 2019, 07:55:47 pm
I hope you at least enjoyed the “massage”.
I hope it at least ended happily.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on June 30, 2019, 07:59:01 pm
I hope you at least enjoyed the “massage”.

Ask Carlos
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 02, 2019, 05:18:05 pm
No one is safe:

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1146180842684915712?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1146180842684915712?s=19)

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Bench coach Joe Espada will coach third the next five games for Gary Pettis, who had knee surgery.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on July 02, 2019, 06:57:47 pm
No one is safe:

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1146180842684915712?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1146180842684915712?s=19)


I figured it was a hamstring.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 02, 2019, 07:05:49 pm
I assumed it was discomfort


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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 03, 2019, 05:10:36 pm
Is Alvarez hurt? Didn't pinch hit last night and not in the lineup tonight which has White batting eighth.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 03, 2019, 05:13:34 pm
Is Alvarez hurt? Didn't pinch hit last night and not in the lineup tonight which has White batting eighth.

He's available to pinch hit. Had a bat in hand last night but inning ended before he could hit.

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on July 03, 2019, 05:15:29 pm
Is Alvarez hurt? Didn't pinch hit last night and not in the lineup tonight which has White batting eighth.

Hinch doesn't want to exacerbate his knee condition by running him around Coors' giant outfield. They announced on monday he would only be a PH in this series.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on July 03, 2019, 05:20:26 pm
Is Alvarez hurt? Didn't pinch hit last night and not in the lineup tonight which has White batting eighth.

Ummm...where have you been?  He's been out almost a week with a knee injury. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 03, 2019, 05:57:55 pm
Is Alvarez hurt? Didn't pinch hit last night and not in the lineup tonight which has White batting eighth.

Not watching the games, eh?
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 03, 2019, 06:14:34 pm
Yes watching but maybe not paying strict attention to the commentary. Alvarez seemed to be running OK on Sunday so I thought that he was well but I guess not. This would have been a great game for him to play first  It is frustrating to have such talent out due to injury especially when it results in more fizzling Tyler. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 03, 2019, 06:16:52 pm
Yes watching but maybe not paying strict attention to the commentary. Alvarez seemed to be running OK on Sunday so I thought that he was well but I guess not. This would have been a great game for him to play first  It is frustrating to have such talent out due to injury especially when it results in more fizzling Tyler.

Hinch says he is not moving 100%
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 03, 2019, 06:23:53 pm
Hinch knows best. Caution is the watchword. They are 7 games up. No need to rush him. Play him when he is 100%.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on July 04, 2019, 03:19:10 pm
Yes watching but maybe not paying strict attention to the commentary. Alvarez seemed to be running OK on Sunday so I thought that he was well but I guess not. This would have been a great game for him to play first  It is frustrating to have such talent out due to injury especially when it results in more fizzling Tyler.

I'm trying to remember....has Alvarez played 1B in the MLs? Seems like Hinch isn't too comfortable with him there.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 04, 2019, 03:23:31 pm
I'm trying to remember....has Alvarez played 1B in the MLs? Seems like Hinch isn't too comfortable with him there.

You also are not paying attention.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on July 04, 2019, 03:27:21 pm
You also are not paying attention.

Why don't you try actually answering a question instead of trying out your snark? We understand you are good at that.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 04, 2019, 03:30:20 pm
Why don't you try actually answering a question instead of trying out your snark? We understand you are good at that.

Well, fuck you. Lots has been posted here about alvarez’ experience at first base.

Glad to be good at something.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on July 05, 2019, 07:29:52 am
Why don't you try actually answering a question instead of trying out your snark? We understand you are good at that.
WFW
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on July 05, 2019, 12:21:20 pm
Astros announce Corbin Martin had Tommy John surgery yesterday.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on July 05, 2019, 12:22:00 pm
Corbin Martin underwent Tommy John surgery Wednesday according to Luhnow.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on July 05, 2019, 12:22:49 pm
Astros announce Corbin Martin had Tommy John surgery yesterday.

Oops guess I type too slow.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 05, 2019, 12:36:54 pm
Oops guess I type too slow.

You did get the day right though
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 05, 2019, 12:44:33 pm
Corbin Martin underwent Tommy John surgery Wednesday according to Luhnow.

Wow, what a change in his fortunes since his first outing in MLB.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 05, 2019, 12:56:26 pm
Wow, what a change in his fortunes since his first outing in MLB.

No kidding. That debut was special; glad he and his family had that experience.   Hopefully more success will follow.

Do we know when the injury/condition came to light?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 05, 2019, 12:57:18 pm
No kidding. That debut was special; glad he and his family had that experience.   Hopefully more success will follow.

Do we know when the injury/condition came to light?

He got put on the DL June 25th
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 05, 2019, 01:05:13 pm
No kidding. That debut was special; glad he and his family had that experience.   Hopefully more success will follow.

Do we know when the injury/condition came to light?

His last start in RR. I read he was taken out, and the worry was a “serious injury.”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 05, 2019, 02:16:28 pm
His last start in RR. I read he was taken out, and the worry was a “serious injury.”

Martin said he felt a “pop” on his last pitch.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: chuck on July 05, 2019, 03:57:12 pm
Alvarez back in the lineup at DH. I guess I'll watch today's game live now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 06, 2019, 03:38:13 pm
Apparently running the bases on all those hits last night was a little too much for Uncle Mike's hammy.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 06, 2019, 03:41:08 pm
Apparently running the bases on all those hits last night was a little too much for Uncle Mike's hammy.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19)

Not moving very well on Alvarez’ double.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 06, 2019, 04:18:41 pm
Apparently running the bases on all those hits last night was a little too much for Uncle Mike's hammy.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19)

I noticed he literally walked home on Yuli’s HR


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 06, 2019, 04:24:22 pm
I noticed he literally walked home on Yuli’s HR


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Hope this does not knock him out of the ASG.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 06, 2019, 04:40:02 pm

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147618565077573632?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147618565077573632?s=19)

Coming off the bench an option,  so hopefully
1) not too bad
2) ASG still in play

But mostly #1. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on July 07, 2019, 04:25:01 am
Hope this does not knock him out of the ASG.

Do people actually watch the ASG? To me next week is a mini void.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on July 07, 2019, 05:01:11 am
Do people actually watch the ASG? To me next week is a mini void.

This. This right here. The ASB is the annual pandering to football fans and others with short attention spans. It is a mini void.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 07, 2019, 07:25:35 am
Do people actually watch the ASG? To me next week is a mini void.

I usually only watch long enough to see the Astros participant(s).
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 07, 2019, 08:32:55 am
Do people actually watch the ASG? To me next week is a mini void.

I watch and remember when it was a real game the players and fans cared about.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on July 07, 2019, 10:06:29 am
I watch, but I don't like the players making it all about themselves.  Yes, it's an honor, but it's the fans' game, and they've forgotten that. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on July 07, 2019, 10:07:39 am
I watch, but I don't like the players making it all about themselves.  Yes, it's an honor, but it's the fans' game, and they've forgotten that.

You're en fuego today, HH. Absolutely right.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on July 07, 2019, 10:09:49 am
I watch and remember when it was a real game the players and fans cared about.
Me too. I remember when they played 15 innings in '67 and everyone said it was a great game--contrast with 2008. I also remember watching Pete Rose colliding at home plate with Ray Fosse for the win.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on July 07, 2019, 12:17:14 pm
Apparently running the bases on all those hits last night was a little too much for Uncle Mike's hammy.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1147603321244606465?s=19)
I noticed he literally walked home on Yuli’s HR
Some good questions were asked on the linked thread by Dirty Gringo:
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Would this fall under strength and conditioning?
Maybe these guys aren't getting stretched out properly?
I don't know the answer, and I'm sure someone has some insight. I'd just like to understand it more

Are the tweaks just more noticed while so many have been out of commission already or is this just normal for the season?

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 09, 2019, 02:22:43 pm
Jake Kaplan just tweeted that tonight will likely be the last rehab game for Joe Smith meaning he may return as soon as Thursday or Friday.

Astros will need to make a 25-man and 40-man roster move to make that happen.

The 40-man should be Martin to the 60-day.

As far as the 25-man... they currently have 12 pitchers and are about to play 14 straight days, which usually means 13 pitchers.

It should be either Sneed or Urquidy if they stay at 12 and I guess Myles Straw if they go to 13?

Also have Peacock coming back soon as well. Gonna be interesting to see what they do over the next week with the roster, assuming no trade happens of course.

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 09, 2019, 02:32:07 pm
Jake Kaplan just tweeted that tonight will likely be the last rehab game for Joe Smith meaning he may return as soon as Thursday or Friday.

Astros will need to make a 25-man and 40-man roster move to make that happen.

The 40-man should be Martin to the 60-day.

As far as the 25-man... they currently have 12 pitchers and are about to play 14 straight days, which usually means 13 pitchers.

It should be either Sneed or Urquidy if they stay at 12 and I guess Myles Straw if they go to 13?

Also have Peacock coming back soon as well. Gonna be interesting to see what they do over the next week with the roster, assuming no trade happens of course.

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Does moving Martin to the 60-day have any service time implications?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jaklewein on July 09, 2019, 02:35:09 pm
Does moving Martin to the 60-day have any service time implications?

I read somewhere that since the injury happened after he was sent back down that it would not. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 09, 2019, 03:09:54 pm
I read somewhere that since the injury happened after he was sent back down that it would not. 

Have they changed this?  I seem to recall that guys on the 60-day were considered MLB players for paycheck and service time.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 09, 2019, 03:28:37 pm
Does moving Martin to the 60-day have any service time implications?
Have they changed this?  I seem to recall that guys on the 60-day were considered MLB players for paycheck and service time.
I believe there are separate 60-day IL's for major and minor leagues

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 09, 2019, 03:29:52 pm
I believe there are separate 60-day IL's for major and minor leagues

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That makes sense.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on July 09, 2019, 03:48:42 pm
Rotation after the break per Lunhow Sunday interview: Valdez, Verlander, Miley, Cole, Peacock
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 09, 2019, 04:08:14 pm
Rotation after the break per Lunhow Sunday interview: Valdez, Verlander, Miley, Cole, Peacock
So with that info, my guess would be Urquidy and Straw get sent down Thursday, with Sneed going down when Peacock needs to be added.

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 09, 2019, 04:53:02 pm
So with that info, my guess would be Urquidy and Straw get sent down Thursday, with Sneed going down when Peacock needs to be added.

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I am sure they want to keep Straw but cannot unless they jettison White.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on July 09, 2019, 04:56:00 pm
I am sure they want to keep Straw but unless they jettison White.

I thought White's status was on display the other night in the loss to the Angels.  Down by a run, you had Chirinos and Straw due to lead off the 9th.  If that's not a situation where you'd use White, then he's completely pointless and just taking up a roster spot. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 09, 2019, 05:05:23 pm
I thought White's status was on display the other night in the loss to the Angels.  Down by a run, you had Chirinos and Straw due to lead off the 9th.  If that's not a situation where you'd use White, then he's completely pointless and just taking up a roster spot.

as he has been for some time
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 09, 2019, 05:27:59 pm
I am sure they want to keep Straw but cannot unless they jettison White.
Exactly my thinking. They are gonna kick that can down the road until they absolutely have no choice

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on July 09, 2019, 08:46:28 pm
Exactly my thinking. They are gonna kick that can down the road until they absolutely have no choice

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So ... until Thursday then?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 09, 2019, 11:50:01 pm
So ... until Thursday then?
Well, you see, they do kind of have a choice. They have guys with options so they don't HAVE to cut Tyler lose yet and they have at least one more 40-man roster manipulation card left to play so they don't HAVE to do it on that front either.

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 10, 2019, 07:07:07 am
Well, you see, they do kind of have a choice. They have guys with options so they don't HAVE to cut Tyler lose yet and they have at least one more 40-man roster manipulation card left to play so they don't HAVE to do it on that front either.

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and because they are being stubborn with Alvarez and 1B, there is no backup for Gurriel without White. He has been very good on defense. I think he is on the roster until Diaz returns.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on July 10, 2019, 12:24:43 pm
I am sure they want to keep Straw but cannot unless they jettison White.

So does anyone have any thoughts about why the Astros chose to pinch run Marisnick and not Straw in the final game?  I thought that Straw would have been the natural choice but they chose otherwise.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on July 10, 2019, 12:26:34 pm
So does anyone have any thoughts about why the Astros chose to pinch run Marisnick and not Straw in the final game?  I thought that Straw would have been the natural choice but they chose otherwise.

Because Hinch wanted to play Marisnick instead of Straw.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 10, 2019, 12:26:58 pm
So does anyone have any thoughts about why the Astros chose to pinch run Marisnick and not Straw in the final game?  I thought that Straw would have been the natural choice but they chose otherwise.

They probably thought Marisnick had the better body type to truck Lucroy
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 10, 2019, 12:31:06 pm
They probably thought Marisnick had the better body type to truck Lucroy

Jake is a fast runner and a top notch defender. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 10, 2019, 12:32:15 pm
So does anyone have any thoughts about why the Astros chose to pinch run Marisnick and not Straw in the final game?  I thought that Straw would have been the natural choice but they chose otherwise.

Because Straw is a rookie, it was the bottom of the 8th, he has played only a handful of games, and he made one huge mistake already. They are not equal players.

and if we did not score, Marisnick was going in on defense. Using Straw to run would have burned two players.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 10, 2019, 12:37:09 pm
They probably thought Marisnick had the better body type to truck Lucroy

Not at all funny.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on July 10, 2019, 08:25:23 pm
and because they are being stubborn with Alvarez and 1B, there is no backup for Gurriel without White. He has been very good on defense. I think he is on the roster until Diaz returns.
I woNder if it is more than stubbornness. Easy for a big guy to pull a hammy playing 1B and not having the experience to stretch with restraint.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on July 11, 2019, 09:14:09 am
Any news on Correa?  I saw that the Astros sent him to the spring training facility in Florida.  But what is happening?  Is he going to go on a rehab assignment?  When? 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on July 11, 2019, 09:25:24 am
Any news on Correa?  I saw that the Astros sent him to the spring training facility in Florida.  But what is happening?  Is he going to go on a rehab assignment?  When?
I think I heard Luhnow say on the pregame show Sunday that the tail end of the final homestand in July was a possibility for he and Diaz. If I heard that right, then we are talking about 2 weeks, plus or minus a day or two.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 11, 2019, 12:16:13 pm
Not at all funny.

Also not funny - Jake gets 2 games for the collision.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 11, 2019, 12:31:13 pm
Also not funny - Jake gets 2 games for the collision.

Not surprising, I guess.

But there is an ample load of bullshit in MLBs decision.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: DVauthrin on July 11, 2019, 01:43:00 pm
Not surprising, I guess.

But there is an ample load of bullshit in MLBs decision.

Marisnick didn’t deserve a suspension.  MLB gave in to the court of public opinion on this one.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on July 11, 2019, 01:43:59 pm
Also not funny - Jake gets 2 games for the collision.
Vague, motherfucking rule that has never been enforced as it is explained. The explanation is that the catcher can’t block the plate without the ball. Catcher never had the ball and was in front of the plate, Marisnick chooses an empty lane and the catcher moves into that lane and boom. Marisnick out two games, wtf.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 11, 2019, 02:47:45 pm
Vague, motherfucking rule that has never been enforced as it is explained. The explanation is that the catcher can’t block the plate without the ball. Catcher never had the ball and was in front of the plate, Marisnick chooses an empty lane and the catcher moves into that lane and boom. Marisnick out two games, wtf.

Unfortunate play which looked like Jake delivered the blow. PC decision to suspend.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on July 11, 2019, 02:55:51 pm
Jake's appealing, he'll play tonight. I bet it gets knocked down to one game on appeal.

Edit: meant to say he’s available to play tonight, not that he’s in the lineup.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 11, 2019, 03:27:48 pm
Marisnick should ask Verlander to speak to Manfred on his behalf.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on July 11, 2019, 03:59:31 pm
The thing that sells to me that he wasn't planning on bowling over Lucroy is the hardcore flinch the last time he looks up as he's launching forward in to his slide.

That flinch looks to me like "Oh, fuck. What's he doing there?"
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duman on July 11, 2019, 04:05:11 pm
The thing that sells to me that he wasn't planning on bowling over Lucroy is the hardcore flinch the last time he looks up as he's launching forward in to his slide.

That flinch looks to me like "Oh, fuck. What's he doing there?"

Also notice his knee buckles like he is trying to brake, not launch.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 11, 2019, 05:58:56 pm
PLEASE don’t talk about a knee buckling... the BBGs are fickle.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on July 12, 2019, 03:41:31 pm
Marisnik's slide broken down by my current favorite Youtube Baseball Personality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgk__4I6hs8
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 12, 2019, 04:07:47 pm
Smith activated, Sneed to Round Rock, Correa to 60-day (eligible July 26 return)


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 12, 2019, 04:15:48 pm
Marisnik's slide broken down by my current favorite Youtube Baseball Personality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgk__4I6hs8


That dude is great. Entertaining and not a dumbass.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on July 12, 2019, 04:27:03 pm
Smith activated, Sneed to Round Rock, Correa to 60-day (eligible July 26 return)


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I got a notification with this "Correa to 60-day," and without this "eligible July 26 return" and thought, "shit."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 12, 2019, 05:01:39 pm
I got a notification with this "Correa to 60-day," and without this "eligible July 26 return" and thought, "shit."

Same here
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 12, 2019, 05:48:39 pm
Smith activated, Sneed to Round Rock, Correa to 60-day (eligible July 26 return)


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And the Tyler White can gets kicked a little further down the road

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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 12, 2019, 06:07:58 pm
Bregman not in tonight's lineup but no worries because White is in charge of taking up the slack.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 12, 2019, 06:11:51 pm
Great job by Sneed. Saved the bull pen twice.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on July 14, 2019, 07:43:31 pm
Peacock felt something in his shoulder and will be re-evaluated.

James will open on Monday and Framber will follow.

God help our rotation.


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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 16, 2019, 05:46:55 pm
Diaz and Correa played at Round Rock last night.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on July 16, 2019, 06:25:39 pm
Diaz and Correa played at Round Rock last night.
For those who haven’t already heard it reported, AJ said again on the radio today that the first game in St. Louis on the 26th is when they are expecting Correa to be back in the lineup.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 21, 2019, 01:54:19 pm
Middle of next month for Peacock return, says Luhnow

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 03:41:20 pm
Diaz back
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 22, 2019, 03:54:06 pm
Diaz back
I love what Straw brings but it's good to see Diaz back in the lineup

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Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on July 22, 2019, 04:13:30 pm
That pretty much takes Straw out of shortstop. His future playing time will be in the outfield which is very crowded. When Correa comes back, Straw goes down or Kemp gets traded or DFA'd. Do luhnow/Hinch think that Straw is an adequate replacement for Marisnick now? 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on July 22, 2019, 04:18:51 pm
Was there any word about James after the game yesterday? Does he have an issue??


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on July 22, 2019, 04:46:55 pm
Was there any word about James after the game yesterday? Does he have an issue??


Kaplan a few minutes ago:

It sounds like Josh James won’t pitch for at least a day or two. He downplayed yesterday’s velocity dip, chalking it up to general arm soreness after an increase in workload coming out of the All-Star break.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 04:58:25 pm
Kaplan a few minutes ago:

It sounds like Josh James won’t pitch for at least a day or two. He downplayed yesterday’s velocity dip, chalking it up to general arm soreness after an increase in workload coming out of the All-Star break.


How long did he pitch Friday? High leverage 8th if I remember. Coming back Sunday could be tough if he is not accustomed to being used that frequently.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 05:00:36 pm
That pretty much takes Straw out of shortstop. His future playing time will be in the outfield which is very crowded. When Correa comes back, Straw goes down or Kemp gets traded or DFA'd. Do luhnow/Hinch think that Straw is an adequate replacement for Marisnick now?

More than adequate in the OF and at least adequate at SS. Diaz was not go great at SS very early in the year. Much better at the other positions.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on July 22, 2019, 05:14:06 pm
How long did he pitch Friday? High leverage 8th if I remember. Coming back Sunday could be tough if he is not accustomed to being used that frequently.
1 inning.

He's had 6 appearances since the AS break

July 11, 13, 15, 16, 19 and 21

Mostly 1 inning each, 2 innings on the 13th and ⅔ yesterday. He's had similar stretches this season but it's not unreasonable that fatigue could be the issue

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 05:19:24 pm
1 inning.

He's had 6 appearances since the AS break

July 11, 13, 15, 16, 19 and 21

Mostly 1 inning each, 2 innings on the 13th and ⅔ yesterday. He's had similar stretches this season but it's not unreasonable that fatigue could be the issue

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Seems to me it is fatigue.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 22, 2019, 05:29:23 pm
That pretty much takes Straw out of shortstop. His future playing time will be in the outfield which is very crowded. When Correa comes back, Straw goes down or Kemp gets traded or DFA'd. Do luhnow/Hinch think that Straw is an adequate replacement for Marisnick now?

AJ has been committed to giving guys scheduled rest days.  I bet he finds ways to work Straw into the lineup, or at least into games as a PR/defensive substitute in the OF.   And no, he's not as good a defensive CFer as Marisnick.   Note that similar to personal catchers, JVs personal CFer is Jake.

The odd man out seems to more likely be Kemp, but if he isn't traded before the roster crunch then Straw could go down since he has options and TK does not.

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 05:34:34 pm
AJ has been committed to giving guys scheduled rest days.  I bet he finds ways to work Straw into the lineup, or at least into games as a PR/defensive substitute in the OF.   And no, he's not as good a defensive CFer as Marisnick.   Note that similar to personal catchers, JVs personal CFer is Jake.

The odd man out seems to more likely be Kemp, but if he isn't traded before the roster crunch then Straw could go down since he has options and TK does not.

Kemp and Straw are very similar players, except for the RH/LH hitting thing.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: chuck on July 22, 2019, 07:07:59 pm
Kemp and Straw are very similar players, except for the RH/LH hitting thing.

Except Straw can play short and Kemp apparently can't.

Of course the Astros shortstop is usually stationed out in right field somewhere so maybe it doesn't matter too much.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on July 22, 2019, 07:10:10 pm
AJ has been committed to giving guys scheduled rest days.  I bet he finds ways to work Straw into the lineup, or at least into games as a PR/defensive substitute in the OF.   And no, he's not as good a defensive CFer as Marisnick.   Note that similar to personal catchers, JVs personal CFer is Jake.

The odd man out seems to more likely be Kemp, but if he isn't traded before the roster crunch then Straw could go down since he has options and TK does not.



Why does kemp need to be the odd man out?  Send Straw down, since he has options, when Correa returns.  keep Kemp on the roster so you don’t lose him.  Let Straw spend a month in the minors working at SS and bring him back up when the rosters expand in September.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 22, 2019, 08:38:04 pm
Except Straw can play short and Kemp apparently can't.

Of course the Astros shortstop is usually stationed out in right field somewhere so maybe it doesn't matter too much.

I imagine Kemp could fill in at SS, and Straw could fill in at 2B. Emergencies only.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on July 23, 2019, 09:04:54 am
Kemp and Straw are very similar players, except for the RH/LH hitting thing.
Well. I’m gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Speed, power, OF defense (especially the arm) are all differences, with a significant edge to Straw except power where Kemp has the edge.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 23, 2019, 09:16:01 am
Well. I’m gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Speed, power, OF defense (especially the arm) are all differences, with a significant edge to Straw except power where Kemp has the edge.

I said similar, not the same. They are similar players, and both can run. One is better in some things; the other is better in others. They are valuable pieces to the team and are occasional starters.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on July 23, 2019, 09:44:54 am
Why does kemp need to be the odd man out?  Send Straw down, since he has options, when Correa returns.  keep Kemp on the roster so you don’t lose him.  Let Straw spend a month in the minors working at SS and bring him back up when the rosters expand in September.

It seems like a no-brainer to me. The only wild card is if Kemp gets included in a trade which is entirely possible.

Is this the last year that rosters expand in September?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on July 23, 2019, 09:51:23 am
It seems like a no-brainer to me. The only wild card is if Kemp gets included in a trade which is entirely possible.

Is this the last year that rosters expand in September?
I agree that it’s seems like a no-brainer.  I thought this year rosters expand, but each day, it will be limited to 25.  I could easily be wrong though.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on July 23, 2019, 10:07:37 am
Of course, I was wrong. Research yielded this, starting in 2020, the same year it goes from 25 to 26:

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Elimination of 40-man active roster limit in September.  From September 1st through the end of the championship season, all Clubs must carry 28 players on the active roster.

I don’t know where I heard the expanded roster idea, with on 25 available each day, but it doesn’t appear to be in the works.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on July 23, 2019, 04:28:56 pm
Josh James to the 10 day IL. Sneed up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 23, 2019, 05:11:08 pm
Josh James to the 10 day IL. Sneed up.

Explanation? This is not good. So much for “I am fine” pitcherspeak.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on July 23, 2019, 05:14:44 pm
Shoulder soreness for James

You're on the the clock, Nerd Cave
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on July 23, 2019, 05:28:55 pm
Pressly dealing with a bum knee

per Tags
"Hinch said he's been trying to stay away from RHP Ryan Pressly after he was smoked on the knee by a one-hopper off the bat of Andrelton Simmons on Thursday."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on July 23, 2019, 05:32:26 pm
Pressly dealing with a bum knee

per Tags
"Hinch said he's been trying to stay away from RHP Ryan Pressly after he was smoked on the knee by a one-hopper off the bat of Andrelton Simmons on Thursday."

Obvious last night something was wrong. Glad it is not his arm, but the push off leg is bad enough.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on July 25, 2019, 01:23:05 pm
Blake Snell to have arthroscopic elbow surgery:

https://theathletic.com/1096295/2019/07/25/sources-rays-cy-young-award-winner-blake-snell-to-undergo-surgery-on-elbow-headed-to-il/ (https://theathletic.com/1096295/2019/07/25/sources-rays-cy-young-award-winner-blake-snell-to-undergo-surgery-on-elbow-headed-to-il/)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on August 02, 2019, 06:11:49 pm
Chirinos has a sore shoulder and won't play for a few days. Stubbs called up and Sneed optioned. They don't think it'll require an IL stint

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on August 04, 2019, 11:19:40 am
Chirinos has a sore shoulder and won't play for a few days. Stubbs called up and Sneed optioned. They don't think it'll require an IL stint

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 04, 2019, 11:27:52 am
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Astros pitching coach Brent Strom underwent GI surgery overnight and will be away from the team for a few days.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1158047545446338561?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1158047545446338561?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on August 04, 2019, 11:44:16 am
Cubs probably wishing they hadn’t let go of Maldonado - Contreras back to IL for hamstring issue.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 04, 2019, 12:13:22 pm
https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1158047545446338561?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1158047545446338561?s=19)

Well, damn. So much for my thoughts of his bullpen sessions with Sanchez the next few days.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BUWebguy on August 09, 2019, 03:03:35 pm
Pressley activated; Stubbs sent down:
https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/ryan-pressly-off-injured-list-for-astros
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on August 12, 2019, 12:01:06 pm
Peacock's line yesterday - 0 outs, 2 hits, 2 walks, 4 earned runs. Some of those runs are probably due to lousy pitching by McCurry.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 12, 2019, 03:48:27 pm
Peacock's line yesterday - 0 outs, 2 hits, 2 walks, 4 earned runs. Some of those runs are probably due to lousy pitching by McCurry.

Peacock was pretty lousy too. His rehab outings have not been good.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 12, 2019, 05:07:03 pm
Peacock was pretty lousy too. His rehab outings have not been good.

Is there a limit to how long he can be on rehab before they have to make some sort of (presumably irreversible) move (like releasing him, or releasing somebody else to make room for him)?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 12, 2019, 05:09:12 pm
Is there a limit to how long he can be on rehab before they have to make some sort of (presumably irreversible) move (like releasing him, or releasing somebody else to make room for him)?

Dunno
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 12, 2019, 05:19:30 pm
Is there a limit to how long he can be on rehab before they have to make some sort of (presumably irreversible) move (like releasing him, or releasing somebody else to make room for him)?

20 days for position players, 30 days for pitchers.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 12, 2019, 05:23:21 pm
20 days for position players, 30 days for pitchers.

Thanks. I don't suppose it's possible to say he's not right and send him back to the IL. That would open the door to too many shenanigans.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 12, 2019, 05:25:22 pm
Thanks. I don't suppose it's possible to say he's not right and send him back to the IL. That would open the door to too many shenanigans.

They are expecting him in Chicago to be evaluated. Heard that on the radio yesterday.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 12, 2019, 05:28:35 pm
Thanks. I don't suppose it's possible to say he's not right and send him back to the IL. That would open the door to too many shenanigans.

He's currently on the IL and would stay on the IL if he's not ready. He just can't continue to play in the minors for that long while being designated injured.

It's not at all uncommon for a player to aggravate an injury while playing a rehab game and extend their stay on the IL.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on August 12, 2019, 05:45:28 pm
Brad started his rehab this month, so he won't have to be added to the active roster until after rosters expand

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 14, 2019, 10:18:11 am
Brad started his rehab this month, so he won't have to be added to the active roster until after rosters expand

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The good news is he says he feels great; the bad news is he has been pitching lousy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 14, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
The good news is he says he feels great; the bad news is he has been pitching lousy.

So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 14, 2019, 01:03:22 pm
A.J. Hinch on Gerrit Cole's hamstring injury: "We’ll get him tested even further and see where this takes us, but he doesn’t think it’s that serious. I’m glad he told us and we hope that it’s mild.”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Tom Servo on August 14, 2019, 05:53:40 pm
"We got some good news," said Gerrit Cole about the results from the doc on his hamstring.  "Not super serious."  Getting treatment and see how it responds.

Edit: that was from a Julia tweet, btw.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 14, 2019, 06:00:41 pm
"We got some good news," said Gerrit Cole about the results from the doc on his hamstring.  "Not super serious."  Getting treatment and see how it responds.

Edit: that was from a Julia tweet, btw.

I watched an interview of him. Said that.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 14, 2019, 06:33:43 pm
"Not super serious" == "Amputation not recommended at this time"
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2019, 07:42:59 am
"Not super serious" == "Amputation not recommended at this time"

It’s just a flesh wound.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 15, 2019, 09:55:41 am
It’s just a flesh wound.


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They’ll be cautious, as Hinch always is. Sanchez and probably Framber will have important games the next two days. We need to win at least two of these four.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 15, 2019, 12:09:45 pm
AJ on Cole,  via Bowden:

https://twitter.com/JimBowdenGM/status/1162022337937661952?s=19 (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenGM/status/1162022337937661952?s=19)

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A.J. Hinch #Astros just told me that Gerrit Cole should be good to go next week.  Good news for #Astros fans. #CyYoungCandidate
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on August 15, 2019, 01:21:30 pm
It’s just a flesh wound.


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'Tis but a scratch.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: AtascAstro on August 15, 2019, 04:17:55 pm
Double-win here to see McCullers and Strom on the field (https://twitter.com/LMcCullers43/status/1162107498188496897)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 15, 2019, 04:23:47 pm
Double-win here to see McCullers and Strom on the field (https://twitter.com/LMcCullers43/status/1162107498188496897)

Great!
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on August 15, 2019, 06:39:23 pm
'Tis but a scratch.

``You're wounded!'' ``Nay,'' the soldier's pride
Touched to the quick, he said:
``I'm killed, Sire!'' And his chief beside
Smiling the boy fell dead.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 17, 2019, 08:43:42 am
Has anybody heard anything about James recently?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 17, 2019, 09:30:54 am
Has anybody heard anything about James recently?

I believe he's headed to Florida to start ramping up his recovery.  Still expected back in September.

Peacock should be ready soon.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duman on August 17, 2019, 07:22:56 pm
Seeing Peacock to be activated tomorrow.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on August 18, 2019, 11:47:04 am
a fresh arm can not hurt
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on August 18, 2019, 12:27:19 pm
Aledmys Diaz to IL for foul off top of foot, Sneed recalled.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 18, 2019, 01:14:40 pm
Aledmys Diaz to IL for foul off top of foot, Sneed recalled.

Sheesh. What a year.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on August 18, 2019, 01:27:40 pm
Aledmys Diaz to IL for foul off top of foot, Sneed recalled.

New McTaggart mctweet:

Diaz is going on IL because he became light-headed and dizzy on the bus on the way to ballpark yesterday and went to hospital. No official diagnosis, but he should be fine.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on August 18, 2019, 02:08:09 pm
New McTaggart mctweet:

Diaz is going on IL because he became light-headed and dizzy on the bus on the way to ballpark yesterday and went to hospital. No official diagnosis, but he should be fine.

No diagnosis, and they know he'll be fine, but it's going to last 10 days?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 18, 2019, 02:33:33 pm
No diagnosis, and they know he'll be fine, but it's going to last 10 days?

The Astros' medical staff works in mysterious ways.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on August 18, 2019, 03:06:06 pm
The Astros' medical staff works in mysterious ways.

I suspect they need the extra arm now. Diaz is probably fine.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on August 18, 2019, 03:12:42 pm
I suspect they need the extra arm now. Diaz is probably fine.

That’s where I was going. Sounds like playing games with the IL.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on August 18, 2019, 03:13:32 pm
I sure hope he's okay.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 20, 2019, 04:36:08 pm
Correa out of the lineup today and unavailable for comment.

That latter part disturbs me.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on August 20, 2019, 04:40:32 pm
part 2 of injury 1?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 20, 2019, 04:42:50 pm
Correa out of the lineup today and unavailable for comment.

That latter part disturbs me.


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Hinch isn't making me feel better about it. (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/carlos-correa-exits-after-1-inning-vs-tigers)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 20, 2019, 04:43:24 pm
The next degree of worry will come if/when they make an IL announcement.

Better keep an eye on Straw's lineup status in RR.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 20, 2019, 04:43:27 pm
AJ says Correa will likely go on IL, decision tonight.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on August 20, 2019, 05:41:29 pm
I’m planning on Correa being out for the rest of the season. Anything less will be a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on August 20, 2019, 05:47:09 pm
I think Carlos may have just one more year to show he can play a full season. His injury history is becoming a threat to his career potential. He is at least at some risk of having to become a Bill Spiers type player. One with superb talent but only able to play part-time because of back issues.

Of course I could be, and hopefully am, wrong.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2019, 06:08:04 pm
I think Carlos may have just one more year to show he can play a full season. His injury history is becoming a threat to his career potential. He is at least at some risk of having to become a Bill Spiers type player. One with superb talent but only able to play part-time because of back issues.

Of course I could be, and hopefully am, wrong.

I have had two back surgeries for herniated discs. Instant cure, and easy rehab. Maybe this offseason he will fix this.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on August 20, 2019, 06:09:53 pm
I think Carlos may have just one more year to show he can play a full season. His injury history is becoming a threat to his career potential. He is at least at some risk of having to become a Bill Spiers type player. One with superb talent but only able to play part-time because of back issues.

Of course I could be, and hopefully am, wrong.

It hurts to see such rare gifts w/ so much risk. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 20, 2019, 06:11:54 pm
I think Carlos may have just one more year to show he can play a full season. His injury history is becoming a threat to his career potential. He is at least at some risk of having to become a Bill Spiers type player. One with superb talent but only able to play part-time because of back issues.

Of course I could be, and hopefully am, wrong.

You don't give up on talent like he has.

Unless someone wants to trade an ace this offseason....
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on August 20, 2019, 06:36:17 pm
You don't give up on talent like he has.

True, but isn't there an inverse relationship b/t his potential value as a player vs the risk that he may be getting significant portion of each years guaranteed money as a resident of the IL.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 20, 2019, 06:51:46 pm
All depends on what this is,  whether it's the same as last season's injury,  and whether there's a fix.

All questions that those of us outside the organization know diddley squat about.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 20, 2019, 07:07:17 pm
I have had two back surgeries for herniated discs. Instant cure, and easy rehab. Maybe this offseason he will fix this.

I too have had a discectomy.  Modern medicine is a wonderful thing.  But if his problem is that, as he gets older, his back musculature can't handle the stress of everyday play...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2019, 07:31:44 pm
All depends on what this is,  whether it's the same as last season's injury,  and whether there's a fix.

All questions that those of us outside the organization know diddley squat about.

There is a fix for disc issues.

The good thing is Yuli hits behind Yordan for awhile.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on August 20, 2019, 07:52:53 pm
There is a fix for disc issues.

The good thing is Yuli hits behind Yordan for awhile.

Not really. Not for peak performance. As a normally functioning human... sure... they really can’t fix bad discs for an elite athlete.. degenerative is an important word. I hope I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2019, 09:51:51 pm
Not really. Not for peak performance. As a normally functioning human... sure... they really can’t fix bad discs for an elite athlete.. degenerative is an important word. I hope I’m wrong.

You are fucking wrong. Where did you go to med school?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 20, 2019, 10:14:57 pm
I think Carlos may have just one more year to show he can play a full season. His injury history is becoming a threat to his career potential. He is at least at some risk of having to become a Bill Spiers type player. One with superb talent but only able to play part-time because of back issues.

Of course I could be, and hopefully am, wrong.

All I know is that I was wrong about Correa. I thought that we had the next A-Rod. Wellsir, he's not even in the same stratosphere with A Rod. Good player? Yes. All Star. If healthy, maybe. There are better shortstops in the game, e.g., Lindor. And then this injury crap. Untouchable? Definitely not. Sell high. But sell.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on August 20, 2019, 10:27:07 pm
You are fucking wrong. Where did you go to med school?


 Do you suffer from degenerative disc disease? I do. It has altered the last 25 years of my life. Maybe you can recommend a doctor....?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 20, 2019, 10:31:39 pm
Correa and Sanchez both to the IL.  Sanchez with a pec issue hence the reduced velocity tonight.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2019, 10:37:39 pm

 Do you suffer from degenerative disc disease? I do. It has altered the last 25 years of my life. Maybe you can recommend a doctor....?

I have had two disc surgeries which were instant cures. Easy rehab. Neurosurgeon is a must.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2019, 10:40:07 pm
Correa and Sanchez both to the IL.  Sanchez with a pec issue hence the reduced velocity tonight.

Yep, heard that. Hinch took him out because he was hurting. Makes sense now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Dobro on August 20, 2019, 10:58:29 pm
Degenerative disc disease, which ultimately led to 2 surgeries by a top neurosurgeon, ended my playing days.  Frankly, I am amazed any time I hear of a player in the majors recovering and returning to play the game at the level required to stay in the game.  I am not at all optimistic about Correa's career.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 20, 2019, 11:06:44 pm
Yep, heard that. Hinch took him out because he was hurting. Makes sense now.

WTF.  He says he’s been dealing with it for 6-7 starts.  So, pre-trade.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on August 20, 2019, 11:15:43 pm
All I know is that I was wrong about Correa. I thought that we had the next A-Rod. Wellsir, he's not even in the same stratosphere with A Rod. Good player? Yes. All Star. If healthy, maybe. There are better shortstops in the game, e.g., Lindor. And then this injury crap. Untouchable? Definitely not. Sell high. But sell.
When healthy, A-Rod is still a good comp. When you look at the player A-Rod was through 24 and the player Correa is when healthy, he's not that far behind. Health is obviously huge, I hope we're not looking at a Troy Tulowitzki on our hands but it's looking more and more like it

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on August 20, 2019, 11:20:55 pm
When healthy, A-Rod is still a good comp. When you look at the player A-Rod was through 24 and the player Correa is when healthy, he's not that far behind. Health is obviously huge, I hope we're not looking at a Troy Tulowitzki on our hands but it's looking more and more like it

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Tulowitzki would be great. Tulowitzki was the best player in baseball for a few years.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on August 20, 2019, 11:29:07 pm
Tulowitzki would be great. Tulowitzki was the best player in baseball for a few years.
Correa was, for a second, the best player. It's easy to forget with everything that eventually happened but Carlos Correa, not Jose Altuve, would have been the MVP in 2017 if he had not gotten hurt. He was absolutely demolishing baseballs before(was it the wrist? Thumb? Think it was thumb) the injury. And he still has that ability, if we ever see it for a full 162

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 21, 2019, 06:13:38 am
Correa and Sanchez both to the IL.  Sanchez with a pec issue hence the reduced velocity tonight.

Probably why he couldn't find the zone too.

Hope it's a short stint for both.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duman on August 21, 2019, 08:06:22 am
Crazy thought - What about flipping positions for Correa and Bregman.  Third would be a bit less physically demanding for Correa and Bregman can handle SS. Might keep Correa on the field more. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 09:09:07 am
Crazy thought - What about flipping positions for Correa and Bregman.  Third would be a bit less physically demanding for Correa and Bregman can handle SS. Might keep Correa on the field more.

I do not think the position he plays has anything to do with his injuries. I have experience with herniated discs, if that is what he has. When they get ready to go, they go, and it does not matter what one is doing. That is what Austin’s dean of neurosurgeons told me after my first one anyway.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 21, 2019, 09:18:07 am
So who gets the call with two new members of the IL?  Bring up one of the AAAA starters (Framber, Urquidy, etc), or punch Sneed's ticket again for Sanchez, and Straw or maybe Tucker for Correa?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 10:00:16 am
So who gets the call with two new members of the IL?  Bring up one of the AAAA starters (Framber, Urquidy, etc), or punch Sneed's ticket again for Sanchez, and Straw or maybe Tucker for Correa?

Good question. Framber has been pitching well in RR, but they may be leery of him. Urquidy if so.

With Reddick struggling, Tucker for Correa? Reddick or Marisnick can be inserted for defense late in winnable games.

ERA: forgot Biagini.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 21, 2019, 10:16:07 am
So who gets the call with two new members of the IL?  Bring up one of the AAAA starters (Framber, Urquidy, etc), or punch Sneed's ticket again for Sanchez, and Straw or maybe Tucker for Correa?

Urquidy started for RR last night so the starters timing fits him.  Framber went the day before so he'd be well rested too.  I'm expecting Straw for Correa.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on August 21, 2019, 10:17:01 am
All I know is that I was wrong about Correa. I thought that we had the next A-Rod. Wellsir, he's not even in the same stratosphere with A Rod. Good player? Yes. All Star. If healthy, maybe. There are better shortstops in the game, e.g., Lindor. And then this injury crap. Untouchable? Definitely not. Sell high. But sell.

Not sure the "sell high" days aren't behind us. Personally, I would not attempt to deal him. Let him play, when healthy, and then let him walk when his contract is up. You can still catch lightening- in- a- bottle possibly for a post-season.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 10:21:11 am
All I know is that I was wrong about Correa. I thought that we had the next A-Rod. Wellsir, he's not even in the same stratosphere with A Rod. Good player? Yes. All Star. If healthy, maybe. There are better shortstops in the game, e.g., Lindor. And then this injury crap. Untouchable? Definitely not. Sell high. But sell.

Injuries are disappointing, for sure, but I would not try to trade him, especially not now. He is ARod talent when healthy. I’d be patient with him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 21, 2019, 11:00:23 am
Sneed and Straw it is.  I'd bet Sneed gets sent down (again) for a starter when it's Sanchez's turn in the rotation.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 11:16:46 am
Mayfield?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on August 21, 2019, 11:18:42 am
Mayfield?
Isn’t he a replacement for Diaz?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 21, 2019, 11:27:38 am
Wonder if we'll see Mayfield/Straw middle infield to get Altuve a day off.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on August 21, 2019, 11:43:02 am
Injuries are disappointing, for sure, but I would not try to trade him, especially not now. He is ARod talent when healthy. I’d be patient with him.
While I agree with you, it wouldn’t stop me from seeing what I could get for him in the off-season. If some team was willing to give me 2 top prospects, by top I mean a Whitley and Alvarez/Tucker type of duo, I’d have to consider making that deal.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 11:52:37 am
Isn’t he a replacement for Diaz?

Oh, of course. Sorry.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 21, 2019, 11:55:53 am
While I agree with you, it wouldn’t stop me from seeing what I could get for him in the off-season. If some team was willing to give me 2 top prospects, by top I mean a Whitley and Alvarez/Tucker type of duo, I’d have to consider making that deal.


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Prospects?

I'd be looking for top tier MLB talent in return.

Actually, I wouldn't be looking.  I'd listen to offers but not shop him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 12:31:21 pm
Prospects?

I'd be looking for top tier MLB talent in return.

Actually, I wouldn't be looking.  I'd listen to offers but not shop him.
.

Exactly. Not prospects.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on August 21, 2019, 12:43:30 pm
Injuries are disappointing, for sure, but I would not try to trade him, especially not now. He is ARod talent when healthy. I’d be patient with him.

Furthermore, the Astros don't need Correa to be an A-Rod unless they pay him that way.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on August 21, 2019, 02:31:15 pm
I’m a little disappointed.  I was hoping that the Astros would bring Tucker up, stick him at first, put Yuli at third, and put Bregs at ss.  (And maybe play a little Tucker in RF as well.)  Straw isn’t a shortstop.  And the combination of Straw and Altuve is terrible for double plays. 

All of this really leads me to question what the Astros think about Tucker.  He’s an untouchable prospect. But they won’t bring him up when he is needed.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on August 21, 2019, 02:32:41 pm
Correa was, for a second, the best player. It's easy to forget with everything that eventually happened but Carlos Correa, not Jose Altuve, would have been the MVP in 2017 if he had not gotten hurt. He was absolutely demolishing baseballs before(was it the wrist? Thumb? Think it was thumb) the injury. And he still has that ability, if we ever see it for a full 162

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I haven't forgotten anything about Correa's '17. I'm just saying the comparison was off. Over an 8 year span Tulo was good for 5+ WAR six times--and four of those were 6+. Correa's peak thus far was his 4.5 in 2017.

ETA: Make that 6.1, as Doyce pointed out. I mistook his WAA for his WAR.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: doyce7 on August 21, 2019, 02:41:13 pm
I haven't forgotten anything about Correa's '17. I'm just saying the comparison was off. Over an 8 year span Tulo was good for 5+ WAR six times--and four of those were 6+. Correa's peak thus far was his 4.5 in 2017.
Not sure where you are getting Correa's 2017 WAR being 4.5, Fangraphs has him at 5.2 for 2016 and 2017, Baseball Reference has 6.1 both seasons

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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 21, 2019, 02:42:33 pm
I’m a little disappointed.  I was hoping that the Astros would bring Tucker up, stick him at first, put Yuli at third, and put Bregs at ss.  (And maybe play a little Tucker in RF as well.)  Straw isn’t a shortstop.  And the combination of Straw and Altuve is terrible for double plays. 

All of this really leads me to question what the Astros think about Tucker.  He’s an untouchable prospect. But they won’t bring him up when he is needed.

I wonder if Straw will actually take on the Diaz role rather than Mayfield.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on August 21, 2019, 03:45:43 pm
I’m a little disappointed.  I was hoping that the Astros would bring Tucker up, stick him at first, put Yuli at third, and put Bregs at ss.  (And maybe play a little Tucker in RF as well.)  Straw isn’t a shortstop.  And the combination of Straw and Altuve is terrible for double plays. 

All of this really leads me to question what the Astros think about Tucker.  He’s an untouchable prospect. But they won’t bring him up when he is needed.

With the lineup they're currently fielding, Bregman Mayfield Altuve Yuli is the strongest defensive lineup out of them all. Moving Bregs to SS weakens the Astros considerably at 3rd, and who knows at first.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 21, 2019, 03:54:07 pm
I’m a little disappointed.  I was hoping that the Astros would bring Tucker up, stick him at first, put Yuli at third, and put Bregs at ss.  (And maybe play a little Tucker in RF as well.)  Straw isn’t a shortstop.  And the combination of Straw and Altuve is terrible for double plays. 

All of this really leads me to question what the Astros think about Tucker.  He’s an untouchable prospect. But they won’t bring him up when he is needed.

Not I. There are good reasons to leave Tucker where he is. Mayfield and Straw are fine.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 21, 2019, 04:06:21 pm
With Diaz and Correa out the immediate need is infield bodies.  And the further Yuli gets from 1B the worse the infield defense is.

You'll see Tucker soon enough.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on August 21, 2019, 05:07:39 pm
When we see Tucker again I hope we see a different Tucker than we saw last year. To my eye he seemed passive and tentative at the plate; a sharp contrast with Alvarez' confidant menace. When Tucker stepped into the batter's box he looked like Jeriome Robertson on the mound; as if he would rather be anywhere else.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 09:45:23 am
The Astros are calling up Toro to help with the infield. He's not on the 40 man, so corresponding moves should be interesting.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on August 22, 2019, 09:50:02 am
The Astros are calling up Toro to help with the infield. He's not on the 40 man, so corresponding moves should be interesting.

Wow. Did not see this coming.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on August 22, 2019, 09:51:53 am
Can’t they just remove Mayfield from the 25, and if not him from the 40, there are some arms that are options.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on August 22, 2019, 09:52:12 am
How about finally jettisoning Brady Rogers? Why in the world is he on the 40 man roster?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 22, 2019, 09:54:23 am
How about finally jettisoning Brady Rogers? Why in the world is he on the 40 man roster?

Is there anyone who could conceivably go to the 60-man DL?  Not necessarily someone on the 25-man, even.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 09:54:38 am
I count 41 people on the Astros current 40-man (http://m.astros.mlb.com/hou/roster/40-man/) (which does not include McCullers). Is someone else on the 60 day IL that's not reflected on the linked roster? Of course, counting has never been my strong suit.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 09:56:40 am
I count 41 people on the Astros current 40-man (http://m.astros.mlb.com/hou/roster/40-man/) (which does not include McCullers). Is someone else on the 60 day IL that's not reflected on the linked roster? Of course, counting has never been my strong suit.

I think Guduan's suspension temporarily removes him from the 40-man.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 09:59:54 am
I think Guduan's suspension temporarily removes him from the 40-man.

Maybe but everything I see indicates he stays on the 40-man for the rest of the season. He might be the next man out.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 10:02:46 am
Wow. Did not see this coming.

Who did? He has not been in RR that long, but he is hitting .424. He plays 3B, not SS. Does this mean Bregman is going to SS? Is Correa not coming back any time soon? Is Mayfield out? He plays a solid SS but has not hit.

Strange decision.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 10:11:08 am
Who did? He has not been in RR that long, but he is hitting .424. He plays 3B, not SS. Does this mean Bregman is going to SS? Is Correa not coming back any time soon? Is Mayfield out? He plays a solid SS but has not hit.

Strange decision.

I can only imagine this is about offensive expectations.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 10:14:57 am
I can only imagine this is about offensive expectations.

Sure, but at what defensive position?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 10:16:50 am
In self defense I'm preparing for more injury news we haven't heard about yet.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 10:20:21 am
In self defense I'm preparing for more injury news we haven't heard about yet.

If I say "Correa to the 60 day" enough I know it won't be true.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 10:27:03 am
According to Chandler Rome, Toro will be hitting 7th tonight.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 10:30:08 am
Sure, but at what defensive position?

Gotta be at 3b with Bregman at short.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 10:30:56 am
In self defense I'm preparing for more injury news we haven't heard about yet.

Please, not Bregman.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 10:31:12 am
If I say "Correa to the 60 day" enough I know it won't be true.

I too am concerned for Correa's health now and in the future.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on August 22, 2019, 10:31:41 am
The Astros are calling up Toro to help with the infield. He's not on the 40 man, so corresponding moves should be interesting.

Somebody check on Snuffy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 10:34:12 am
Kaplan: "It’s worth noting that Toro would’ve been Rule 5 eligible this winter, so the Astros would’ve added him to their 40-man roster in November, if not during this season."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 10:43:27 am
Kaplan: "It’s worth noting that Toro would’ve been Rule 5 eligible this winter, so the Astros would’ve added him to their 40-man roster in November, if not during this season."

The noteworthy part is that they're doing it now.  Doing it in November is SOP as free agents open space and trades can be made.  After he acquitted himself well in the AFL last fall he was on the trajectory to be added this winter anyway.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 10:49:21 am
Please, not Bregman.

My mind went to the hbp in the shoulder blade.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 10:53:31 am
It's worth noting, I think, that Toro is a switch hitter.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on August 22, 2019, 10:55:06 am
It could be Toro for Mayfield.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 10:59:50 am
Somebody check on Snuffy.

He's cradling Tucker in his arms.

(Kidding,  Snuffy. Kidding)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 11:02:18 am
Somebody check on Snuffy.

We’ll hear from him soon.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: AtascAstro on August 22, 2019, 12:14:37 pm
Pressly out 4-6 weeks for knee surgery...Ooof.

MLB Trade Rumors (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/ryan-pressly-to-undergo-knee-surgery-miss-4-6-weeks.html)

Also mentions that Super Jack goes back down with Toro and Biagini coming up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on August 22, 2019, 12:25:26 pm
Damn. That really sucks.  I thought, given how well he threw in the last ones, that his knee was healed.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 22, 2019, 12:26:40 pm
I can only imagine this is about offensive expectations.

Luhnow said directly that last night spurred them to make a move for more offense.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 22, 2019, 12:26:41 pm
It's worth noting, I think, that Toro is a switch hitter.

He is.  Also, he's made 7 starts at 1B b/t CC and RR this year.

eta:  WTF, now Pressly?  I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 12:30:36 pm
Luhnow said directly that last night spurred them to make a move for more offense.


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Hilarious considering his best hitters did nothing.  One hit last night between Springer and Chirinos at-bats and the Astros likely win.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 12:31:43 pm
Still no word on the corresponding 40 man?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 22, 2019, 01:11:31 pm
McTaggart: Luhnow said SS Carlos Correa, who was placed on IL Tuesday with lower back stiffness, is still receiving treatment.  He hopes he’s playing in a rehab games in the first week of September and activated back with the big-league team for the last three weeks of the season.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on August 22, 2019, 01:15:12 pm
These injuries are giving me severe discomfort.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on August 22, 2019, 01:49:34 pm
Still no word on the corresponding 40 man?

DFA Brady Rodgers per Chandler Rome tweet
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on August 22, 2019, 02:17:14 pm
Toro seems to be a short term stop gap until Diaz gets back. I think that they said he was close on last night's broadcast.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 03:24:09 pm
Toro seems to be a short term stop gap until Diaz gets back. I think that they said he was close on last night's broadcast.

Unless he hits and creates a nice problem.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 03:27:24 pm
Damn. That really sucks.  I thought, given how well he threw in the last ones, that his knee was healed.

Harris gets the 8th, and it is all hands on deck for the 7th. Framber could help this team so much if he would just throw strikes.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 03:30:09 pm
Unless he hits and creates a nice problem.

If that happens then Straw goes down.  That's only if Diaz returns before September.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 22, 2019, 03:31:06 pm
Harris gets the 8th, and it is all hands on deck for the 7th. Framber could help this team so much if he would just throw strikes.

His first couple of starts after he came back a month or whenever ago had me so excited that he may have figured something out, but it didn't last.

He's got all the potential in the world.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 03:34:04 pm
Harris gets the 8th, and it is all hands on deck for the 7th. Framber could help this team so much if he would just throw strikes.

McHugh has had better results lately, but I doubt think there's been much high leverage lately.

Biagini is still in RR?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 03:35:33 pm
His first couple of starts after he came back a month or whenever ago had me so excited that he may have figured something out, but it didn't last.

He's got all the potential in the world.

His K/BB ratio still was pretty good. I am not too concerned with runs or ERA. Throwing strikes, and letting his defense help is his key.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: astrojo on August 22, 2019, 03:44:47 pm
McHugh has had better results lately, but I doubt think there's been much high leverage lately.

Biagini is still in RR?

Biagini and Toro up for Pressly IL and Mayfield AAA
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 03:50:35 pm
Biagini and Toro up for Pressly IL and Mayfield AAA

Gracias.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 04:03:29 pm
Biagini and Toro up for Pressly IL and Mayfield AAA

Biagini was not too good in RR
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 22, 2019, 05:20:53 pm
Biagini was not too good in RR
Pitched 2 games, less than 2 innings.  Horrible in the first, good in the second.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 05:35:00 pm
Pitched 2 games, less than 2 innings.  Horrible in the first, good in the second.

As I said, not so good. Lit up in the first game.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 05:47:12 pm
McTaggart:
Quote
More Correa: “I’m very optimistic, very happy with the way I woke up today. Hopefully in 10 days I’ll be ready to re-join the team.”

https://t.co/D35Bb0vcU8 (https://t.co/D35Bb0vcU8)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 06:19:16 pm
McTaggart:
https://t.co/D35Bb0vcU8 (https://t.co/D35Bb0vcU8)

This perplexes me. I am no doctor, but I have had herniated discs (L3-L5). Incredibly painful. Sciatic nerve pain. I could not function normally with the pain. They show up on CAT scans or an MRI, and I have had two surgeries, which were easy, immediate fixes. The rehab in 2015 was nothing, and I was almost 70.

WTF is wrong with Carlos and his back? Was this nothing more than stiffness and soreness after a long flight and a panicked rush to the IL?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on August 22, 2019, 06:43:37 pm
Biagini was not too good in RR

Where is Joe Smith?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 06:44:30 pm
Where is Joe Smith?

Pitching well in Houston. You have not been watching?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on August 22, 2019, 06:44:49 pm
Where is Joe Smith?

He's in Houston.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 22, 2019, 06:58:10 pm
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Also had more stuff from Correa.  Said back feels better then last year, encouraged etc.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on August 22, 2019, 07:03:34 pm
Biagini and Toro up for Pressly IL and Mayfield AAA

I wonder if the Texans have player named "Orbit"...
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on August 22, 2019, 07:26:58 pm
WTF is wrong with Carlos and his back? Was this nothing more than stiffness and soreness after a long flight and a panicked rush to the IL?
I have no idea about Carlos. And of course I'm no Doctor but it is possibly not a spinal issue. A strain or sprain of a tendon, ligament, or muscle (but not a tear) seems more likely. Those can cause constant pain and severe muscle spasms and require inactivity and several days time or longer to heal.  Then one might do Physical Therapy for a short duration to strengthen any atrophied muscle before one is back to normal.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 22, 2019, 07:41:01 pm
This perplexes me. I am no doctor, but I have had herniated discs (L3-L5). Incredibly painful. Sciatic nerve pain. I could not function normally with the pain. They show up on CAT scans or an MRI, and I have had two surgeries, which were easy, immediate fixes. The rehab in 2015 was nothing, and I was almost 70.

WTF is wrong with Carlos and his back? Was this nothing more than stiffness and soreness after a long flight and a panicked rush to the IL?

I read somewhere his MRI came back negative.  So yes just stiffness.

Maybe he's a master baiter too.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 22, 2019, 07:46:13 pm
I wonder if the Texans have player named "Orbit"...

Can he hit with runners on base?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on August 22, 2019, 07:46:30 pm
I read somewhere his MRI came back negative.  So yes just stiffness.

Maybe he's a master baiter too.

He needs to learn to switch hands.  Mix it up a little.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on August 22, 2019, 09:34:50 pm
He's in Houston.

I have, and am watching him now. I just feel like he's the always forgotten guy. Mine was sort of a where's Waldo question,  though why anyone would get that without context spelled out I have no idea.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on August 22, 2019, 09:37:25 pm
Can he hit with runners on base?

He oughta! Name's built around RBI!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 22, 2019, 09:39:04 pm
He oughta! Name's built around RBI!

Oh shit.  Good call.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 22, 2019, 09:44:15 pm
I have, and am watching him now. I just feel like he's the always forgotten guy. Mine was sort of a where's Waldo question,  though why anyone would get that without context spelled out I have no idea.

He missed half a year with an injury so I thought hour question was serious.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: VirtualBob on August 23, 2019, 07:39:15 am
DFA Brady Rodgers per Chandler Rome tweet
Confirmed per MLB transactions.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on August 27, 2019, 04:50:45 pm
Diaz activated from IL. Straw back to AAA.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 27, 2019, 04:53:33 pm
Diaz activated from IL. Straw back to AAA.

Wonder if he’ll get to RR in time to play tonight? Game 2 of 4 game series with SA. RR has a two game lead.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 27, 2019, 05:38:42 pm
Wonder if he’ll get to RR in time to play tonight? Game 2 of 4 game series with SA. RR has a two game lead.

Just let him run, he’ll beat the plane there.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 27, 2019, 05:57:26 pm
Just let him run, he’ll beat the plane there.


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Batting second, playing CF
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 28, 2019, 04:07:20 pm
Peacock bank to the IL.  Shoulder discomfort.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1166817716700962818?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1166817716700962818?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 28, 2019, 04:10:01 pm
Sneed was called up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 28, 2019, 04:17:49 pm
Sneed was called up.

Can we call him the YoYo?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 04:18:57 pm
Peacock bank to the IL.  Shoulder discomfort.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1166817716700962818?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1166817716700962818?s=19)

Fuck. He is done.

ETA: who takes his innings?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 28, 2019, 04:23:50 pm
Fuck. He is done.

ETA: who takes his innings?

McHugh?  Maybe some from Devo.  Sneed can go multiple innings.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 28, 2019, 04:25:56 pm
Fuck. He is done.

ETA: who takes his innings?

A guy talking about “sharp pain” in his shoulder isn’t someone you’re going to see in the next two months.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 28, 2019, 04:26:36 pm
A guy talking about “sharp pain” in his shoulder isn’t someone you’re going to see in the next two months.


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Waiting for the MRI and x-ray results right now according to McTag tweet.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 04:27:01 pm
McHugh?  Maybe some from Devo.  Sneed can go multiple innings.

None are shutdown relievers for high leverage situations. I know we have bodies.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 04:34:28 pm
If Sanchez is healthy, maybe him
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on August 28, 2019, 04:39:10 pm
If Sanchez is healthy, maybe him

Whenever he comes back from his own injury.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 04:41:03 pm
Whenever he comes back from his own injury.

Not his arm, though. Peacock may need surgery.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on August 28, 2019, 04:53:31 pm
None are shutdown relievers for high leverage situations. I know we have bodies.

I would assume that until Pressly gets back, it's Smith in the 7th, Harris in the 8th, and Osuna in the 9th. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 05:01:40 pm
I would assume that until Pressly gets back, it's Smith in the 7th, Harris in the 8th, and Osuna in the 9th.

Yep. Harris and Osuna for sure. The rest may be Hinch’s idea of matchups.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 28, 2019, 05:06:06 pm
A guy talking about “sharp pain” in his shoulder isn’t someone you’re going to see in the next two months.


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How do doctors miss this stuff. Are they trying not to find serious issues?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on August 28, 2019, 05:20:55 pm
None are shutdown relievers for high leverage situations. I know we have bodies.

This is the crux of the problem.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 30, 2019, 10:15:50 pm
Chandler Rome tweet:  A.J. Hinch said he took Collin McHugh out because "it didn't look like he had much life on his pitches." Asked if McHugh was OK, Hinch said "I'm going to talk to him." McHugh was unavailable for comment after the game. Hinch said there would be an update tomorrow.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 31, 2019, 10:16:08 am
Chandler Rome tweet:  A.J. Hinch said he took Collin McHugh out because "it didn't look like he had much life on his pitches." Asked if McHugh was OK, Hinch said "I'm going to talk to him." McHugh was unavailable for comment after the game. Hinch said there would be an update tomorrow.

Oh, great. Not another one. Sanchez better be 100% when he returns.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 31, 2019, 11:13:43 am
I sure hope we get Good Framber today.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on August 31, 2019, 11:21:59 am
every game is so important now
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 31, 2019, 11:24:52 am
McHugh to IL, Urquidy up.

Not good if they’re willing to IL him for 1 game of availability for Urquidy.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on August 31, 2019, 11:33:20 am
Not good if they’re willing to IL him for 1 game of availability for Urquidy.

Can't afford to be caught short-handed if Framber blows up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 31, 2019, 11:36:21 am
McHugh to IL, Urquidy up.

Not good if they’re willing to IL him for 1 game of availability for Urquidy.


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One game? What do you mean?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: The Spleen on August 31, 2019, 11:41:07 am
Getting the bullpen rested and healthy should take priority over going for best record. Ideally they would call up a bunch of AAA arms to eat innings for several weeks and not be too picky about the details... but then there's that damned division race, which won't quite go away. 9 games up with less than a month to play is very nice... except for the small matter of those 4 remaining head to head games with the A's. Hopefully a good outcome in those games will leave the team two weeks for bullpen R&R.

The A's scare the hell out of me right now. Not because they're going to win the division (still only a very slight chance) but because they can still do terrible damage to the Astros without ever catching them or facing them in the playoffs. If the A's can keep the division race alive until almost the end, that means all these tired and less than completely healthy bullpen pitchers will have to keep grinding away instead of getting a break. That would put the team in a bad place entering the postseason.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 31, 2019, 12:10:03 pm
One game? What do you mean?

Rosters expand tomorrow. Urquidy could have been called up then without an IL trip for McHugh.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: The Spleen on August 31, 2019, 12:11:32 pm
Rosters expand tomorrow. Urquidy could have been called up then without an IL trip for McHugh.
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Unless McHugh is really busted up and would be going to the IL no matter what.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 31, 2019, 12:21:47 pm
Getting the bullpen rested and healthy should take priority over going for best record. Ideally they would call up a bunch of AAA arms to eat innings for several weeks and not be too picky about the details... but then there's that damned division race, which won't quite go away. 9 games up with less than a month to play is very nice... except for the small matter of those 4 remaining head to head games with the A's. Hopefully a good outcome in those games will leave the team two weeks for bullpen R&R.

The A's scare the hell out of me right now. Not because they're going to win the division (still only a very slight chance) but because they can still do terrible damage to the Astros without ever catching them or facing them in the playoffs. If the A's can keep the division race alive until almost the end, that means all these tired and less than completely healthy bullpen pitchers will have to keep grinding away instead of getting a break. That would put the team in a bad place entering the postseason.

I think having to play hard until the end is a good thing. Teams that can coast in have a hard time turning on again.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on August 31, 2019, 12:23:05 pm
I'll be pleasantly surprised if McHugh pitches for us again.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 31, 2019, 12:25:17 pm
Has there been a report on what is wrong with McHugh?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on August 31, 2019, 12:34:51 pm
Has there been a report on what is wrong with McHugh?

Recurrence of right elbow soreness


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on August 31, 2019, 12:40:26 pm
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The way he throws that slider makes MY elbow hurt.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 01, 2019, 12:31:00 pm
Yuli a late scratch from the game today, discomforted by a left elbow contusion from the HBP yesterday
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on September 01, 2019, 03:18:43 pm
Correa has yet to swing a bat.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 01, 2019, 03:38:45 pm
Correa has yet to swing a bat.

He, along w/ three others on IL, did not make the road trip (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Injured-Astros-stars-not-traveling-road-trip-14399420.php)....
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 01, 2019, 04:37:52 pm
Correa has yet to swing a bat.
Sanchez has yet to throw a ball
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 01, 2019, 06:04:06 pm
Sanchez has yet to throw a ball

WTF do the last few posts mean? Sandy Koufax also did not pitch.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on September 01, 2019, 06:21:51 pm
WTF do the last few posts mean? Sandy Koufax also did not pitch.

The players are not close to returning.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on September 01, 2019, 06:23:52 pm
I think having to play hard until the end is a good thing. Teams that can coast in have a hard time turning on again.

Agreed.  Rather have to stay sharp.  It wasn't that long ago they send unbeatable and the BBGs showed everyone.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 01, 2019, 07:28:56 pm
WTF do the last few posts mean? Sandy Koufax also did not pitch.

Pressly's return looks good, he's playing catch and should hopefully be back by the end of the month.

Sanchez has not begun to throw a baseball yet.

Correa has not begun to swing a bat yet.

James was activated today.

This is a thread about injured players and their recovery.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 02, 2019, 06:57:08 am
Pressly's return looks good, he's playing catch and should hopefully be back by the end of the month.

Sanchez has not begun to throw a baseball yet.

Correa has not begun to swing a bat yet.

James was activated today.

This is a thread about injured players and their recovery.
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No kidding. I probably would never have figured it out.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on September 03, 2019, 12:45:52 pm
Hinch said today on MLB radio that Sanchez is still shut down, is getting more evaluations, and he is concerned that Sanchez will not be ready for the post-season.  He said that they will know more when they get back to Houston.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 03, 2019, 12:59:48 pm
Hinch said today on MLB radio that Sanchez is still shut down, is getting more evaluations, and he is concerned that Sanchez will not be ready for the post-season.  He said that they will know more when they get back to Houston.

That is more candor than we usually get with injury updates.

Wonder what the outlook for McHugh is.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 01:12:58 pm
Hinch said today on MLB radio that Sanchez is still shut down, is getting more evaluations, and he is concerned that Sanchez will not be ready for the post-season.  He said that they will know more when they get back to Houston.

Wow. I am surprised.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MRaup on September 03, 2019, 01:27:14 pm
Hinch said today on MLB radio that Sanchez is still shut down, is getting more evaluations, and he is concerned that Sanchez will not be ready for the post-season.  He said that they will know more when they get back to Houston.

Translation: His arm fell off yesterday.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 01:35:36 pm
Translation: His arm fell off yesterday.

Pitcherspeak about same injury: “It is not sore, just a little stiff.”
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: subnuclear on September 03, 2019, 03:14:28 pm
For those keeping track, Correa is swinging the bat and taking ground balls in the field according to Luhnow. No ETA
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 03:20:11 pm
For those keeping track, Correa is swinging the bat and taking ground balls in the field according to Luhnow. No ETA

I hope he is hitting them over the tracks. I also hope he gets this fixed in the offseason. Yoga did not work.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on September 03, 2019, 03:51:30 pm
How does one get this fixed? 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 03, 2019, 04:00:39 pm
How does one get this fixed? 
Lumbar discectomy, I assume.  Several MLB position players have had the proceedure with varying results upon return, but I can't think of one as young as Correa, Neil Walker was 30, that's as close as I get.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on September 03, 2019, 04:02:54 pm
Lumbar discectomy, I assume.  Several MLB position players have had the proceedure with varying results upon return, but I can't think of one as young as Correa, Neil Walker was 30, that's as close as I get.

Correa has a ruptured disk?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 03, 2019, 04:08:40 pm
Correa has a ruptured disk?

I've been assuming he has a disc issue, yes.  Come to think of it, have they ever announced what was specifically wrong with him? 

eta:  I am aware that this is not why he's currently on the DL, and am not advocating that he have back surgery this offseason.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 03, 2019, 04:10:52 pm
I've been assuming it's a disc issue, yes.  Come to think of it, have they ever announced what was specifically wrong with him?

Of course they have: discomfort.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 04:13:07 pm
How does one get this fixed?

Back surgery if he has herniated discs. I had two, and I was almost 70 for the second one. Immediate fix, short and easy rehab.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 04:18:55 pm
I've been assuming he has a disc issue, yes.  Come to think of it, have they ever announced what was specifically wrong with him? 

eta:  I am aware that this is not why he's currently on the DL, and am not advocating that he have back surgery this offseason.

With a neurosurgeon, simple disc surgery is easy.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on September 03, 2019, 04:19:30 pm
I have arthritis in my lower back.  Constant and nagging pain.  And Aleve only goes so far.  I have no idea what is wrong with Correa's back, but I know I couldn't swing a bat with my condition.  I hope that what he has is fixable. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 04:24:15 pm
I have arthritis in my lower back.  Constant and nagging pain.  And Aleve only goes so far.  I have no idea what is wrong with Correa's back, but I know I couldn't swing a bat with my condition.  I hope that what he has is fixable.

Yeah, me too. You have my sympathy for your situation. Back pack can be unbearable; I could not function. Luckily mine was simple, fixable, and easy. No pain drugs or Aleve required.

I have not read any statement about the cause of Correa’s pain.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on September 03, 2019, 04:45:27 pm
A good massage will fix him right up.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on September 03, 2019, 04:47:07 pm
With a neurosurgeon, simple disc surgery is easy.

Amen.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 03, 2019, 09:39:10 pm
per Berman, Springer will be evaluated tomorrow and is considered day to day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 03, 2019, 09:58:29 pm
per Berman, Springer will be evaluated tomorrow and is considered day to day.

Concussion protocol, no doubt. Glad he did not snap his neck.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 03, 2019, 10:11:39 pm
Concussion protocol, no doubt. Glad he did not snap his neck.

Yep, I was really worried about neck damage, a cracked bone or something like that.

Chandler Rome tweet:  Josh Reddick: "When me and Mike got there, (Springer) seemed to be very alert. He just kept saying he had a headache. That was a positive sign. He wasn’t dizzy. He didn’t have any memory loss out there. He made sure he answered all the questions right."
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 04, 2019, 09:24:11 am
Yep, I was really worried about neck damage, a cracked bone or something like that.

Chandler Rome tweet:  Josh Reddick: "When me and Mike got there, (Springer) seemed to be very alert. He just kept saying he had a headache. That was a positive sign. He wasn’t dizzy. He didn’t have any memory loss out there. He made sure he answered all the questions right."

The Brewers announcers discussed the confusion caused by the length of the warning track last night (https://www.mlb.com/tv/g567621/vda7895f9-556c-4f12-861e-d3ce0a403704?clickOrigin=Gameday&media_type=video#game=567621,tfs=20190903_234000,game_state=live), as Springer was being attended to.

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(1:33:00) The "extra wide" warning track got him there.  He thot he was closer to the wall than he actually was.....


For some reason, the warning track is five feet deep rather than the usual three feet.  That's why he jumped too soon. 

Why is the warning track so deep?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 09:30:13 am
The Brewers announcers discussed the confusion caused by the length of the warning track last night (https://www.mlb.com/tv/g567621/vda7895f9-556c-4f12-861e-d3ce0a403704?clickOrigin=Gameday&media_type=video#game=567621,tfs=20190903_234000,game_state=live), as Springer was being attended to.
 

For some reason, the warning track is five feet deep rather than the usual three feet.  That's why he jumped too soon. 

Why is the warning track so deep?

To give the OFers more time before they hit the wall.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on September 04, 2019, 10:08:30 am

For some reason, the warning track is five feet deep rather than the usual three feet.  That's why he jumped too soon. 

Why is the warning track so deep?
Three feet or thee yards? Three feet is just a step and not much of a "warning" for a guy running.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 04, 2019, 10:16:18 am
The Brewers announcers discussed the confusion caused by the length of the warning track last night (https://www.mlb.com/tv/g567621/vda7895f9-556c-4f12-861e-d3ce0a403704?clickOrigin=Gameday&media_type=video#game=567621,tfs=20190903_234000,game_state=live), as Springer was being attended to.
 

For some reason, the warning track is five feet deep rather than the usual three feet.  That's why he jumped too soon. 

Why is the warning track so deep?

Warning tracks are a lot wider than three feet.  The typical track is about 15 feet.  The conventional wisdom is giving the outfielder three strides before hitting the wall.  Normally, outfielders will familiarize themselves with the track and the wall at every ballpark, usually part of pre-game warmups or bp.  I don't know if Springer did that or not, but it's not a park he's used to playing at, so if it's unusually wide, that could be the source of his thinking he was closer than he was. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 10:48:08 am
Warning tracks are a lot wider than three feet.  The typical track is about 15 feet.  The conventional wisdom is giving the outfielder three strides before hitting the wall.  Normally, outfielders will familiarize themselves with the track and the wall at every ballpark, usually part of pre-game warmups or bp.  I don't know if Springer did that or not, but it's not a park he's used to playing at, so if it's unusually wide, that could be the source of his thinking he was closer than he was.

Snuffy, you appear to be relatively new to baseball. If you want to know the potential consequences of no padded walls and (almost certainly) of no warning tracks, do a little reading about Pete Reiser.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 04, 2019, 10:55:44 am
Warning tracks are a lot wider than three feet.  The typical track is about 15 feet.  The conventional wisdom is giving the outfielder three strides before hitting the wall.  Normally, outfielders will familiarize themselves with the track and the wall at every ballpark, usually part of pre-game warmups or bp.  I don't know if Springer did that or not, but it's not a park he's used to playing at, so if it's unusually wide, that could be the source of his thinking he was closer than he was.

Correction: Listened to it again: they called it a "five-stepper", rather than a "three-stepper" warning track.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 04, 2019, 10:58:34 am
Snuffy, you appear to be relatively new to baseball. If you want to know the potential consequences of no padded walls and (almost certainly) of no warning tracks, do a little reading about Pete Reiser.

I do have a lot to learn - that's why I am here.
Upset to know that the unusual length of the warning track may have had a part in Springer's injury.
They mentioned he had not played much on this field.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 11:24:04 am
I do have a lot to learn - that's why I am here.
Upset to know that the unusual length of the warning track may have had a part in Springer's injury.
They mentioned he had not played much on this field.

Springer’s fault for not knowing this. Not the field’s fault or the Brewers’.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 04, 2019, 11:42:05 am
Springer’s fault for not knowing this. Not the field’s fault or the Brewers’.

Not knowing or forgetting.   Either way,  it's on the OFer.

Reddick said he was yelling to Springer that he had room but doubted George could hear him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on September 04, 2019, 11:42:09 am
Springer’s fault for not knowing this. Not the field’s fault or the Brewers’.

Tal's Hill concurs.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 12:06:42 pm
Not knowing or forgetting.   Either way,  it's on the OFer.

Reddick said he was yelling to Springer that he had room but doubted George could hear him.

Yep, standand call for other OFers, but damn that noise.

Funny (and true): I was pitching a semi-pro game for a Seguin team one weekend. We were on the road, but I do not remember where. The OF had an old-fashioned wood fence 8-10 feet tall, and a guy hit one about a mile off me to LCF. I knew it was gone immediately, and I imagine the fans did too. Not our CFer, though; he took off on a dead run looking up following the ball’s trajectory and intending to catch the ball. Our LFer, who was my teammate at Texas, seemed to be unaware also. He was calling “lotta room, lotta room” until the instant the CF ran into the fence face-first straight on. Thank goodness, he was stunned (and surprised!) but not hurt. Then it was hilarious! Looked like a Roadrunner cartoon. He hit the fence straight on, stuck to it a moment, then slid down to the ground.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 04, 2019, 12:25:56 pm
Yep, standand call for other OFers, but damn that noise.

Funny (and true): I was pitching a semi-pro game for a Seguin team one weekend. We were on the road, but I do not remember where. The OF had an old-fashioned wood fence 8-10 feet tall, and a guy hit one about a mile off me to LCF. I knew it was gone immediately, and I imagine the fans did too. Not our CFer, though; he took off on a dead run looking up following the ball’s trajectory and intending to catch the ball. Our LFer, who was my teammate at Texas, seemed to be unaware also. He was calling “lotta room, lotta room” until the instant the CF ran into the fence straight on. Thank goodness, he was stunned (and surprised!) but not hurt. Then it was hilarious! Looked like a Roadrunner cartoon. He hit the fence straight on, stuck to it a moment, then slid down to the ground.

I remember a game where the batter hit a towering popup right behind 1B.  The first baseman was trying to get under it, and you could tell was having trouble with the sun.  Our second baseman kept yelling "back...back...back...back" and the first baseman kept moving back towards the outfield.  He was still back peddling when the ball landed about five feet in front of him, at which point our second baseman yelled "too much".
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 04, 2019, 12:52:57 pm
Tal's Hill concurs.
10-4
Surprised there weren't injuries there....
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 12:59:14 pm
10-4
Surprised there weren't injuries there....

Why? No fence to run into, gradual slope, embarrassment from falling down might injure pride. Twisted ankle? I suppose that is possible. I liked The Hill but really like what the Astros did with CF.

Fences are the issue for hurting OFers.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on September 04, 2019, 01:06:59 pm
I remember a game where the batter hit a towering popup right behind 1B.  The first baseman was trying to get under it, and you could tell was having trouble with the sun.  Our second baseman kept yelling "back...back...back...back" and the first baseman kept moving back towards the outfield.  He was still back peddling when the ball landed about five feet in front of him, at which point our second baseman yelled "too much".

That's funny.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 04, 2019, 02:06:39 pm
Springer’s fault for not knowing this. Not the field’s fault or the Brewers’.
Springer's fault?  Not like he's played a whole bunch of games in that park.  That's harsh.

eta:  that was his 5th game there.  No idea how many were RF vs CF
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 02:12:02 pm
Springer's fault?  Not like he's played a whole bunch of games in that park.  That's harsh.

eta:  that was his 5th game there.  No idea how many were RF vs CF

Not at all harsh. Lots of time before the game and all of BP to learn the wall. Easy to do with a guy and a fungo. All on him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on September 04, 2019, 02:23:03 pm
Why? No fence to run into, gradual slope, embarrassment from falling down might injure pride. Twisted ankle? I suppose that is possible. I liked The Hill but really like what the Astros did with CF.

Fences are the issue for hurting OFers.
I remember Berkman falling down trying to make a catch going up the hill. They should have put a flagpole or something on the Hill to make it more challenging.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 02:24:54 pm
I remember Berkman falling down trying to make a catch going up the hill. They should have put a flagpole or something on the Hill to make it more challenging.

There was a flagpole on it, and the pole was in play. Richie Sexton hit it with a monster blast and had to settle for a double.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TeeJoe on September 04, 2019, 02:30:02 pm
There was a flagpole on it, and the pole was in play. Richie Sexton hit it with a monster blast and had to settle for a double.
Yea, I remember White Sox fans coming on here whining about the foul pole during the World Series in 05.

I didn't watch Sexton's blast live but saw highlights after the fact. 1 in a billion shot.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: moriartp on September 04, 2019, 02:31:13 pm
Is there a reason warning track width shouldn’t be standardized?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 04, 2019, 02:35:55 pm
Is there a reason warning track width shouldn’t be standardized?

Not that I can think of.

You saw Reddick get sketchy on the track on a RF catch against the wall in the first game, like he didn't know where things were.

Obviously they just didn't take enough fungos.  Glad Springer should be back soon.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Dobro on September 04, 2019, 03:38:40 pm
I remember Berkman falling down trying to make a catch going up the hill. They should have put a flagpole or something on the Hill to make it more challenging.
Berkman didn't just try to make the catch; he made the catch.  And considering Berkman's agility, it was a spectacular play.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 04, 2019, 03:45:19 pm
They should have tied a rottweiler to the pole.   Length of the chain varies.

If the dog gets the ball,  it's still in play.

They could have named it Tal.

I'm gonna email Reid Ryan right now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 03:46:48 pm
They should have tied a rottweiler to the pole.   Length of the chain varies.

If the dog gets the ball,  it's still in play.

They could have named it Tal.

I'm gonna email Reid Ryan right now.

Great plan!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 04, 2019, 03:47:11 pm
Is there a reason warning track width shouldn’t be standardized?

It used to be standard to 10 feet, but not anymore.  It's up to each team.  It's kind of like the fence height and distance...it's up to each team.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on September 04, 2019, 04:51:13 pm
Normally I hate off-days.  But with Springer's injury and the state of the bullpen, a day off seems like just what the Astros need. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on September 04, 2019, 08:34:21 pm
They should have tied a rottweiler to the pole.   Length of the chain varies.

If the dog gets the ball,  it's still in play.

They could have named it Tal.

I'm gonna email Reid Ryan right now.

Some beer commercial a few years ago had a warning moat. "Ooooh, gator got 'im!" My daughter and I still say that to one another out of the blue.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Snuffy on September 04, 2019, 10:06:22 pm
Is there a reason warning track width shouldn’t be standardized?
Thank you!
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 04, 2019, 10:49:00 pm
Thank you!

No reason to standardize them.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: WVastro on September 05, 2019, 02:23:29 am
No reason to standardize them.

Yup. Baseball is not “standardized”

That’s why we like it.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Duman on September 05, 2019, 06:30:50 am
Yup. Baseball is not “standardized”

That’s why we like it.

Fields have differing amounts of foul territory, different ground rules, umps have different strike zones, baseballs have different seams,  Coach has different levels of WFW to use.  It's what makes baseball great.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 05, 2019, 06:52:23 am
Fields have differing amounts of foul territory, different ground rules, umps have different strike zones, baseballs have different seams,  Coach has different levels of WFW to use.  It's what makes baseball great.

Exactly right. Quite a panic reaction because Springer did not know where he was and could not hear his teammates’ assurances. Players have hit walls for generations, and the fields are never at fault. Your point about differing amounts of foul territory is especially good.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on September 05, 2019, 10:45:00 am
Fields have differing amounts of foul territory, different ground rules, umps have different strike zones, baseballs have different seams,  Coach has different levels of WFW to use.  It's what makes baseball great.

and some umps have different strike zones in the same at bat. Hope the robot umps never take over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pE8cmbK4Iw

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on September 05, 2019, 11:28:54 am
Aaron Sanchez to have season ending shoulder surgery.


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 05, 2019, 11:45:23 am
Tags:  George Springer was diagnosed with a mild concussion yesterday, Luhnow says. He will miss a few games but they hope to have him back by early next week once he is cleared medically.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 05, 2019, 11:47:17 am
Aaron Sanchez to have season ending shoulder surgery.


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Welp. That's that.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on September 05, 2019, 12:28:26 pm
Aaron Sanchez to have season ending shoulder surgery.

For a pec injury?

Darn.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 05, 2019, 01:59:23 pm
Correa, Pressly, Springer, James, Peacock, McHugh, Osuna, Greinke

How will they perform if we get to October?

Tucker, your chance is now. This is the last one until 2020.

Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Happy on September 05, 2019, 03:50:50 pm
Why? No fence to run into, gradual slope, embarrassment from falling down might injure pride. Twisted ankle? I suppose that is possible. I liked The Hill but really like what the Astros did with CF.

Fences are the issue for hurting OFers.

Right. I still have nightmares about a denial league play from about 25-30 years ago. I was pitching, and a nemesis (this fuckwad hit me hard in every league we ever played in from little league past high school) hits a forkball that stayed up  a ton to RF, where they had a very short fence. The RF, who really was a middle infielder, went back on the ball and thought that he had a shot at it. He flipped over the fence and broke his neck. MIraculously, he wasn't paralyzed, but his denial league and sports undertakings were over for life. I felt so badly because the CF was screaming at him to stop, but he didn't. That was his first (and, ironically, last) game playing right field since early in high school. He was only out there because he volunteered when our right fielder didn't show. As for the hitter, I never threw him another strike in his life. As far as I know, he's about 60 and still toiling in the denial leagues.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 05, 2019, 04:02:34 pm
Correa, Pressly, Springer, James, Peacock, McHugh, Osuna, Greinke

How will they perform if we get to October?

Tucker, your chance is now. This is the last one until 2020.

I'm not sure McHugh or Peacock will be able to pitch at all in September.  Anybody heard anything on them this week?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 05, 2019, 04:15:13 pm
I'm not sure McHugh or Peacock will be able to pitch at all in September.  Anybody heard anything on them this week?

I would like to hear Hinch talk about Greinke. One bad pitch cost him 3 runs and the loss, but he gave up several rockets which were caught, and his two out problem is bad.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 05, 2019, 05:10:39 pm
Indirect Springer update:

https://twitter.com/karenwarrenHC/status/1169732175706513408?s=19 (https://twitter.com/karenwarrenHC/status/1169732175706513408?s=19)

And a more direct one:

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1169728426317623297?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1169728426317623297?s=19)

Quote
AJ Hinch says George Springer definitely not playing tonight or tomorrow. George is in concussion protocol, so he has to be medically cleared by doctors. AJ says there's a chance we could see Springer in this series, but he's taking it day-by-day.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 05, 2019, 05:34:35 pm
AJ injury updates:

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1169725045909803008?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1169725045909803008?s=19)

Springer: concussion protocol; he's feeling better
Sanchez: surgery,  out for the season
Pressly: throwing off the mound tmw
Peacock: will throw some tmw
McHugh: has not thrown yet; will be on similar schedule as Peacock
Correa: has hit,  done some cardio; AJ will hit grounders to him today
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: toddthebod on September 06, 2019, 08:56:27 am
Watching George in the dugout was very reassuring.  He certainly didn't look like someone who had a concussion.  He looked like regular George, kidding around with everyone around him.  Obviously, this is not a medical diagnosis, but it made me feel better. 
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: homer on September 06, 2019, 09:03:31 am
Watching George in the dugout was very reassuring.  He certainly didn't look like someone who had a concussion.  He looked like regular George, kidding around with everyone around him.  Obviously, this is not a medical diagnosis, but it made me feel better. 

He was wearing Reddick's shirt and who knows for pants.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on September 06, 2019, 09:52:51 am
He was wearing Reddick's shirt and who knows for pants.

Hahahaha. If there were a POTWA this would be it.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 09, 2019, 07:50:17 pm
Chandler Rome tweets:

The Astros are targeting this weekend in Kansas City for Brad Peacock to throw off the mound for the first time.

Meanwhile, Collin McHugh is still not throwing. "That's a little bit of bad news," A.J. Hinch said. "We would have hoped he was a little further along."

A.J. Hinch said it is possible that Carlos Correa will "factor into" Triple-A Round Rock's playoff series that begins on Friday. Correa is "building endurance" and continuing his baseball activities.

Yuli Gurriel said he ran at 85 percent today. A.J. Hinch hit him some ground balls during pregame warmups. Hinch said Gurriel will repeat that pregame routine tomorrow and the team will “see how he fits” into this series against the A’s

Lance McCullers Jr. is throwing off a mound today for the first time since undergoing Tommy John surgery. He'll only get about halfway up the slope and will likely throw only fastballs.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on September 10, 2019, 09:20:43 am
I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic about seeing LMJ pitch this year.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on September 10, 2019, 09:25:52 am
I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic about seeing LMJ pitch this year.

I didn't think that was even a remote possibility. What makes you optimistic, even recklessly?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 09:34:07 am
I'm just hoping that he's useful next year.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on September 10, 2019, 09:35:13 am
I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic about seeing LMJ pitch this year.

They haven't publicly entertained that notion, have they?  Based on this rehab protocol from Dr. James Andrews (last page) (https://med.virginia.edu/orthopaedic-surgery/wp-content/uploads/sites/242/2015/11/AndrewsUCLProtocol.pdf) he's on step 0 or 1 (depending on how you count it being halfway up the mound) of a minimum 12 steps before he even starts throwing breaking balls, and another minimum three steps beyond that before starting 15-pitch simulated games.  And this probably represents the best case scenario.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on September 10, 2019, 09:46:04 am
I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic about seeing LMJ pitch this year.

He tweeted a video of it.  He was throwing about 50% effort from that slight downhill angle.  It looks like he's on step 1 of phase 2.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 10, 2019, 09:55:18 am
He tweeted a video of it.  He was throwing about 50% effort from that slight downhill angle.  It looks like he's on step 1 of phase 2.

Yeah, no way this year.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on September 10, 2019, 10:24:46 am
They haven't publicly entertained that notion, have they?  Based on this rehab protocol from Dr. James Andrews (last page) (https://med.virginia.edu/orthopaedic-surgery/wp-content/uploads/sites/242/2015/11/AndrewsUCLProtocol.pdf) he's on step 0 or 1 (depending on how you count it being halfway up the mound) of a minimum 12 steps before he even starts throwing breaking balls, and another minimum three steps beyond that before starting 15-pitch simulated games.  And this probably represents the best case scenario.

That rehab protocol is really cool.  Wild that the best-known surgeon in American professional sports just posts stuff like that publicly. 

But...if I'm being overly optimistic, let's say he's in week 24 of that plan right now.  6 weeks from now, if the team is still playing, would he not be able to pitch at a game level?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: jbm on September 10, 2019, 10:26:26 am
I'm just hoping that he's useful next year.
Me too.  Luhnow has a tough task for next year as many of the possible solutions are question marks: current starters who are free agents, a Framber who didn’t advance and a Whitley who also didn’t advance. They’ll need Lance.

Thankfully, we can focus on the positives of the here and now.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Waldo on September 10, 2019, 11:00:35 am
But...if I'm being overly optimistic, let's say he's in week 24 of that plan right now.  6 weeks from now, if the team is still playing, would he not be able to pitch at a game level?

The weeks you're referring to are in "Phase I" of the throwing program.  He just started Phase II (last page of the PDF).  Even if you assume that he progresses through each step every other day without any setbacks, he still won't be ready to throw simulated games until October.  And then if he's seeing game action then it'll be in the major league postseason.

He won't pitch in 2019.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 05:11:17 pm
https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1171545491114516480?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1171545491114516480?s=19)

Quote
Carlos Correa: "I'm ready..My body feels great. I've been swinging. I've been taking ground balls every day..No issues at all..Hopefully I'll be on Friday playing for Round Rock." https://t.co/FkIOiSdJdt
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: das on September 10, 2019, 06:44:04 pm
https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1171545491114516480?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1171545491114516480?s=19)

Isn’t this the same guy that tweeted he’d like to play in the ASG because he was feeling good coming back from injury?

In the brain trust, I trust. Not some over eager, injury prone kid.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on September 10, 2019, 07:02:07 pm
Me too.  Luhnow has a tough task for next year as many of the possible solutions are question marks: current starters who are free agents, a Framber who didn’t advance and a Whitley who also didn’t advance. They’ll need Lance.

Thankfully, we can focus on the positives of the here and now.
+1
One of the positives is the possible return of the king. Hinch has said encouraging things about Pressly.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 10, 2019, 07:17:31 pm
Isn’t this the same guy that tweeted he’d like to play in the ASG because he was feeling good coming back from injury?

In the brain trust, I trust. Not some over eager, injury prone kid.

Have you asked his wife yet?
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Fredia on September 10, 2019, 07:23:36 pm
could something be wrong with miley
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 08:09:00 pm
could something be wrong with miley

Who knows?

A lot of soft contact against the shift started the ball rolling.

Disturbing last 2 starts though.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 10, 2019, 08:25:55 pm
Who knows?

A lot of soft contact against the shift started the ball rolling.

Disturbing last 2 starts though.

Correct. No shift=no runs
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 10, 2019, 08:54:57 pm
Berman and Kaplan tweets:

A.J. Hinch spoke today of getting Ryan Pressly back for “the last 10 days of the season or so.” Sounds like Pressly could be ready even sooner but the Astros are being conservative with his rehab timeline.

AJ Hinch says if all goes well Carlos Correa will get a rehab assignment this week with @RRExpress
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Jacksonian on September 10, 2019, 10:40:45 pm
Yelich broke his right kneecap tonight.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: BudGirl on September 11, 2019, 07:18:29 am
Yelich broke his right kneecap tonight.

Ewww, not good.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Bench on September 17, 2019, 11:40:22 am
Correa returns to the Astros tonight. Hitting 7th. Will probably play only a few innings.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: MusicMan on September 17, 2019, 12:39:49 pm
Correa returns to the Astros tonight. Hitting 7th. Will probably play only a few innings.

Because they said so, or just because we’re so pessimistic at this point?


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Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on September 17, 2019, 12:45:35 pm
Hinch said that it would be like a Spring Training start for him.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 17, 2019, 05:45:53 pm
McHugh still having pain.   They're shutting down his throwing program.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1174086258697441281?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1174086258697441281?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 17, 2019, 05:56:31 pm
McHugh still having pain.   They're shutting down his throwing program.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1174086258697441281?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1174086258697441281?s=19)

Sounds like the end as an Astro.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 17, 2019, 06:11:08 pm
Sounds like the end as an Astro.

Yes.

Disappointed for him and the team.   He was not right all season.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Lefty on September 17, 2019, 07:15:04 pm
Not unexpected, but I'll sure miss McHugh
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: juliogotay on September 18, 2019, 10:42:47 am
Not unexpected, but I'll sure miss McHugh

Me, too. As much as a person as a pitcher. Class act.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: JimR on September 18, 2019, 12:43:31 pm
Me, too. As much as a person as a pitcher. Class act.

He is.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: austro on September 19, 2019, 07:06:23 pm
This is interesting: apparently the Cubs have decided to go ahead and put Rizzo at 1st base. In response, the Cards have decided that they have no qualms about bunting and making him move around.

ETA: And Rizzo returns the favor by jacking a home run.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on September 28, 2019, 01:36:10 pm

https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/carlos-correa-hopeful-for-astros-alds-matchup (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/carlos-correa-hopeful-for-astros-alds-matchup)

It's the use of the word "still" in the headline that I find disconcerting.
Title: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: geezerdonk on September 28, 2019, 02:53:51 pm
Mayfield peaking at just the right time.
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 28, 2019, 06:40:37 pm
Correa says he'll be good to go for the LDS.

Then he asked when it was.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1178072733126578177?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1178072733126578177?s=19)
Title: Re: Aches and Pains (2019)
Post by: Texifornia on September 28, 2019, 07:54:30 pm
Correa says he'll be good to go for the LDS.

Then he asked when it was.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1178072733126578177?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1178072733126578177?s=19)
Oy vey!