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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Nate Colbert on January 09, 2019, 02:50:16 pm
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I'll expand this as time/interest warrants and clubs issue more press releases as to 2019 staffing...
Minor Leagues
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short-season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
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First time hearing of the (almost) football career of former Astros' OF Leon Roberts (https://newsok.com/article/3668157/redhawks-hitting-coach-leon-roberts-almost-played-football)...
I tried out for the Houston Oilers in '77 as an end/punter and had their team made. There was really nobody in the way of two-sport stars back then. Dave DeBusschere did it a little bit. Pitched for the White Sox and played for the Pistons. Gene Conley pitched with the Red Sox and played basketball for the Celtics. I was going to play (football) only on Sundays and then when the baseball season was over play full time. We had it all set up and then the (Astros') front office found out about it and upped my salary to buy me out of it.
That Astros' FO then traded him in December to the Mariners.
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I'll expand this as time/interest warrants and clubs issue more press releases as to 2019 staffing...
Minor Leagues
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short-season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
Good to know their lives continued after ML baseball.
Thanks for the blast from the past, Nate.
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Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
U FOO!
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U FOO!
Since they coach on the same team, do you think Daryle Ward and Danny Darwin go out for beers together? I would like to believe that they do.
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Does Ensberg not count as an ex-Astro?
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Does Ensberg not count as an ex-Astro?
Has he landed a coaching job for 2019 yet? He won't be back with the Astros.
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Oops, missed that
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Has he landed a coaching job for 2019 yet? He won't be back with the Astros.
Why is that?
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Why is that?
Beats me, but it's kind of old news (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-part-ways-with-minor-league-managers-13238749.php)
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Beats me, but it's kind of old news (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-part-ways-with-minor-league-managers-13238749.php)
Yes, I knew that he left, I thought you might know more.
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Does Ensberg not count as an ex-Astro?
Double counts, actually.
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Added Toronto, San Diego, Boston and Detroit...
Minor Leagues
Casey Candaele--manager at short season Vancouver/skill development coordinator (Blue Jays)
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short-season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Jimmy Jones--pitching coach @ AA Amarillo (Padres)
Burt Hooton--pitching coach @ low-A Fort Wayne (Padres)
John Halama--pitching coach @ short-season Peoria (Padres
Jonathan Meyer--fielding coach @ short-season Peoria (Padres)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Rich Gedman--hitting coach @ AAA Pawtucket (Red Sox)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
Willie Blair--pitching coach @ low-A West Michigan (Tigers)
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Anyone spot Billy Spiers on the Clemson sideline this season?
Link (http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2017/01/05/ex-brewer-bill-spiers-back-clemson-football-coach/96164190/)
(For those who don't follow college football or read the B&Q thread)
Yes, he now has 2 rings (https://thetandd.com/sports/clemson-football-bill-spiers-relishes-two-titles-and-family-experience/article_3d9eaa48-7333-5f70-8475-d7572285d32c.html). And the ex-punter is the proud papa of a punter. No, Will is not a 2-sport athlete like the old man. But nephew Carson does play on the Clemson baseball squad and as a soph reliever last year allowed just 22 hits in 48 IP. Three generations of Spiers have played baseball at the school.
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(For those who don't follow college football or read the B&Q thread)
Yes, he now has 2 rings (https://thetandd.com/sports/clemson-football-bill-spiers-relishes-two-titles-and-family-experience/article_3d9eaa48-7333-5f70-8475-d7572285d32c.html). And the ex-punter is the proud papa of a punter. No, Will is not a 2-sport athlete like the old man. But nephew Carson does play on the Clemson baseball squad and as a soph reliever last year allowed just 22 hits in 48 IP. Three generations of Spiers have played baseball at the school.
I never cease to be amazed at multi-sport college or professional athletes. It's hard enough to play one sport at that level. I'm happy for the Spiers clan. Coach Swinney has an amazing program.
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I never cease to be amazed at multi-sport college or professional athletes. It's hard enough to play one sport at that level. I'm happy for the Spiers clan. Coach Swinney has an amazing program.
I think Kyler Murray’s a huge prick, but his athletic ability amazes me.
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I think Kyler Murray’s a huge prick, but his athletic ability amazes me.
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More like a smallish prick.
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I think Kyler Murray’s a huge prick, but his athletic ability amazes me.
It would be interesting to see him humiliated by professional curve balls. It would also be interesting to seem him not humiliated by professional curve balls.
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Speaking of the kid...
Mike Leslie @MikeLeslieWFAA 44 minutes ago
According to a source close to the situation, Kyler Murray’s number is $15M. He wants big time money to stick with baseball, otherwise he will enter the NFL draft tomorrow. The A’s are doing everything they can, sending their top brass, led by Billy Beane, to meet with him.
His agent Scott Boras is also in the meeting. If the A's do pay him add'l money, that immediately raises the question as to how that wouldn't be a violation of the bonus pool system for draft picks.
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Speaking of the kid...
Mike Leslie @MikeLeslieWFAA 44 minutes ago
According to a source close to the situation, Kyler Murray’s number is $15M. He wants big time money to stick with baseball, otherwise he will enter the NFL draft tomorrow. The A’s are doing everything they can, sending their top brass, led by Billy Beane, to meet with him.
His agent Scott Boras is also in the meeting. If the A's do pay him add'l money, that immediately raises the question as to how that wouldn't be a violation of the bonus pool system for draft picks.
Basically MLB is looking the other way, because they want the big PR win of the dual sport star choosing baseball.
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I’ve only seen him a few times in baseball and was surprised he was taken that high but the A’s are no dummies. 15 million seems highly unlikely, almost like he’s trying to provide cover for leaving or going back on a promise he presumably gave them.
I also doubt he’s NFL quality mainly due to size, but the game is changing and he does have a unique skill set.
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I’ve only seen him a few times in baseball and was surprised he was taken that high but the A’s are no dummies. 15 million seems highly unlikely, almost like he’s trying to provide cover for leaving or going back on a promise he presumably gave them.
I also doubt he’s NFL quality mainly due to size, but the game is changing and he does have a unique skill set.
I grew up in Norman and still bleed Sooner blood no matter what.
If you want my honest opinion... and the same of a few of my close HS friends. This guy is trying to get as much cash as possible as insurance. I don’t blame him. He might know that his size and ability is a factor in both sports. Why not try and get as much now as possible? If something works out, great, everybody is happy. If not... millions of dollars can be a nice consolation.
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Basically MLB is looking the other way, because they want the big PR win of the dual sport star choosing baseball.
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Every other MLB team needs to call foul if this happens.
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Somebody is going to have to explain this to me, because I don't get it:
MLB rules prohibit players from signing major league contracts, which place players on the 40-man roster, out of the draft. Teams are not allowed to sign amateur players to minor league deals, then immediately give them major league deals, because the latter would be an inducement to sign and a circumvention of the league's finite draft pools. In Murray's case, because he signed a minor league deal, and because his performance at Oklahoma changed the circumstances of his baseball career, Oakland would be within the rules to give Murray a long-term extension if that's what it takes to keep him in baseball, sources tell ESPN.
WTF does this even mean?
From Passan's article: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25754391/oakland-athletics-get-ok-mlb-offer-kyler-murray-more-money-stick-baseball
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Somebody is going to have to explain this to me, because I don't get it:
MLB rules prohibit players from signing major league contracts, which place players on the 40-man roster, out of the draft. Teams are not allowed to sign amateur players to minor league deals, then immediately give them major league deals, because the latter would be an inducement to sign and a circumvention of the league's finite draft pools. In Murray's case, because he signed a minor league deal, and because his performance at Oklahoma changed the circumstances of his baseball career, Oakland would be within the rules to give Murray a long-term extension if that's what it takes to keep him in baseball, sources tell ESPN.
WTF does this even mean?
From Passan's article: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25754391/oakland-athletics-get-ok-mlb-offer-kyler-murray-more-money-stick-baseball
I don’t know why his performance at Oklahoma would have any impact on the rules of the CBA so I won’t even address that part of what Passen wrote in his article. I will say that based on what I’ve heard on MLB Radio, it sounds to me like since he signed his contract a year ago, they can basically go back and renegotiate and give him more money and place him on the 40 man roster. Since at this point it won’t TECHNICALLY be his first contract, I think under the rules of the CBA it is allowed. At least that is the impression I get.
Nate or Hawk can probably clear it up.
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Nate or Hawk can probably clear it up.
My money's on Nate. Hudson's probably still trying to get through the metal detector.
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The "Kyler Murray" exception now gives rise to "wink and a nod" type discussions at the time a player signs after being drafted. The initial bonus is crafted to fall within the restrictions of the bonus pool arrangement. But the player and club also have discussions at that time about further compensation and promises to sign him to a major league contract (prohibited under current rules). Nothing is reduced to writing but is merely a handshake deal. And if you have your doubts about the clubs following thru on handshake deals note that those occur in the international area all the time. It's how a 14-year old Dominican kid gets taken off the market even though he's not eligible to sign for two more years.
Clubs (and the player) will manufacture excuses as why add'l monies are needed when the time comes. Probably the most likely would be the player claims (with the club going along with the subterfuge) he's going to walk away from baseball if he doesn't get more money. MLB will investigate but probably will have to go along because they created the fucking problem in the first place and absent a smoking gun would likely have to go along with it.
And those handshake deals on the foreign side? Technically not allowed under the rules but MLB has never been able to do anything about it.
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Looks like Murray signed his draft deal in June, according to the rules when is the earliest he can sign a MLB contract? I would think it's any time after his draft season ends?
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Looks like Murray signed his draft deal in June, according to the rules when is the earliest he can sign a MLB contract? I would think it's any time after his draft season ends?
You mean the draft season he spent working out to play football and didn't play 1 inning of baseball? What circumstances can you point to that he deserved to receive such a deal purely in baseball terms? The commissioner's office reviews these contracts and has the power pursuant to the CBA to kill any deal that's an end run around the bonus pool restrictions and other prohibitions that exist. It's a smell test, not a bright line test.
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I don't think this is as egregious as you make it sound - his circumstances really did change. He didn't sign the original contract on the expectation of an increase.
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Just end the slotting system already. Let teams pay as much as they’re willing to pay.
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Can signing bonuses be conditioned, either by payout over the years, or requiring payback if the player decides on a new life? I thought I read that Murray would have to repay his bonus. That's quite a disincentive, for the average one-sport star? Also, if Murray decides not to play, I assume he can't come back and play MLB for someone else, correct?
At any rate, I'm having trouble seeing this as a dangerous precedent. The first reason is that I don't believe it will actually happen here, as I don't expect the A's to pay. Secondly, and more importantly, how many draftees have credible leverage to play this game? I'm trying to think of when this would occur again (predicated on the assumption that the draftee's rights are owned by the signing club).
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He didn't sign the original contract on the expectation of an increase.
How do you know? Were you a fly on the wall during those negotiations? How many signed players say I'll take your money but then skip my first season? How do you know that when the A's consented to that there wasn't some further discussions about sweeteners in 2019? You can argue the specific circumstances about Murray (and they are compelling) but that's not really the point. It's what comes AFTER. By creating this exception, creative teams (and agents) now have a loophole they can exploit. And Boras and others WILL exploit it.
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How bout you limit it to anyone who wins the Heisman Trophy after signing their contract?
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You mean the draft season he spent working out to play football and didn't play 1 inning of baseball?
The A's knew that was going to happen before they signed him. I'm not arguing one way or the other, just trying to wrap my head around a rather unique situation.
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The A's knew that was going to happen before they signed him. I'm not arguing one way or the other, just trying to wrap my head around a rather unique situation.
And let me clarify: I hope 2-sport athletes like Murray DO play baseball. But this is a problem of MLB's making when they put the draft hard caps in place and now foolishly realize their fuck-up and are trying a band-aid approach that is likely to create even more problems.
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It'll come down to where he's drafted in the NFL.
Baker Mayfield made around $500,000 per game this season.
Dak Prescott (4th round pick, 3rd year) made around $600,000 for the season.
That's all dictated by the CBA. If Murray is a high first rounder he'll make serious bank quickly, and likely play quickly as well.
(This may be the lone exception where the NFL's CBA compares favorably from a player's perspective to MLB's)
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It'll come down to where he's drafted in the NFL.
Baker Mayfield made around $500,000 per game this season.
Dak Prescott (4th round pick, 3rd year) made around $600,000 for the season.
That's all dictated by the CBA. If Murray is a high first rounder he'll make serious bank quickly, and likely play quickly as well.
(This may be the lone exception where the NFL's CBA compares favorably from a player's perspective to MLB's)
Which is also why this is going on now ... NFL teams who want him may need to draft him higher to be able to compete with baseball. Or they might just do the smart thing and pass. :)
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If Kyler asks me, I'm going to encourage him to follow his heart and try to balance that with taking as much money as others are willing to give. Otherwise, my opinion, like that of everyone else here, is vaporous.
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Added Seattle...
Minor Leagues
Casey Candaele--manager at short season Vancouver/skill development coordinator (Blue Jays)
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short-season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Pete Harnisch--special assignment pitching coach (Mariners)
Jimmy Van Ostrand--peak performance coach (Mariners)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Jimmy Jones--pitching coach @ AA Amarillo (Padres)
Burt Hooton--pitching coach @ low-A Fort Wayne (Padres)
John Halama--pitching coach @ short-season Peoria (Padres)
Jonathan Meyer--fielding coach @ short-season Peoria (Padres)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Rich Gedman--hitting coach @ AAA Pawtucket (Red Sox)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
Willie Blair--pitching coach @ low-A West Michigan (Tigers)
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Not an ex-Astro but anyone know what happened to 3B Hank Blalock?
Always thought he was gonna be a cannot miss type player.
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Not an ex-Astro but anyone know what happened to 3B Hank Blalock?
Always thought he was gonna be a cannot miss type player.
Injuries, thoracic outlet surgery.
He was done by 30.
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Not an ex-Astro but anyone know what happened to 3B Hank Blalock?
Always thought he was gonna be a cannot miss type player.
The BBGs had already retired the name Hank.
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Another former Astro staffer to the Orioles. (https://www.mlb.com/news/orioles-to-hire-doug-brocail-as-pitching-coach/c-302755792)
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Another former Astro staffer to the Orioles. (https://www.mlb.com/news/orioles-to-hire-doug-brocail-as-pitching-coach/c-302755792)
I always liked Brocail as pitcher and coach.
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I always liked Brocail as pitcher and coach.
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The BBGs had already retired the name Hank.
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The BBGs had already retired the name Hank.
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Hank Williams died at 30.
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Hank Williams died at 30.
The whole world called me Hank
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Hank Williams died at 30.
Actually, he didn't even make it to 30.
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The whole world called me Hank
Drifter, can you make folks cry when you play and sing?
He's a complete POS, but that guy wrote a few great songs.
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Drifter, can you make folks cry when you play and sing?
He's a complete POS, but that guy wrote a few great songs.
Man, I dug him in the 70's. Since, not so much.
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Added St. Louis, Tampa Bay (where Ensberg lands a new managerial gig after being fired by the Astros), Pittsburgh and Los Angeles...
Minor Leagues
Casey Candaele--manager at short season Vancouver/skill development coordinator (Blue Jays)
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Randy Niemann--pitching instructor (Cardinals)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Dave Borkowski--pitching coach @ AA Tulsa (Dodgers)
Jason Bourgeois--coach @ low-A Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Pete Harnisch--special assignment pitching coach (Mariners)
Jimmy Van Ostrand--peak performance coach (Mariners)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Jimmy Jones--pitching coach @ AA Amarillo (Padres)
Burt Hooton--pitching coach @ low-A Fort Wayne (Padres)
John Halama--pitching coach @ short season Peoria (Padres)
Jonathan Meyer--fielding coach @ short season Peoria (Padres)
Fernando Nieve--pitching coach @ short season GCL (Pirates)
Quinten McCracken--coach @ AAA Durham (Rays)
Morgan Ensberg--manager @ AA Montgomery (Rays)
Rafael Valenzuela--manager @ short season GCL (Rays)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Rich Gedman--hitting coach @ AAA Pawtucket (Red Sox)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
Willie Blair--pitching coach @ low-A West Michigan (Tigers)
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Man, I dug him in the 70's. Since, not so much.
Jody Like a Melody still gives me the occasional goosebump, not ashamed to admit.
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Jody Like a Melody still gives me the occasional goosebump, not ashamed to admit.
I wore that album out - along with Longhaired Redneck - my first couple of years in HS. I still spin them occasionally.
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Drifter, can you make folks cry when you play and sing?
He's a complete POS, but that guy wrote a few great songs.
Back around 1979 or 80, an old friend, Ricky, was on his (first) honeymoon and noticed that David Allen Coe had a room on the same hallway of the hotel. He told his bride about it and a bit later after sharing a several drinks together she told him she wanted an autograph. Ricky staggers down the hall and knocks on the door, DAC answers, "What the fuck do you want." My friend tells him, "Sorry to bother you, I'm in a room down the hall and am a big fan. I'm on my honeymoon and thought it would be cool if I could get an autograph for my wife." DAC gives him a blank look, says nothing, and closes the door.
Since he didn't say anything before he closed the door in my friends face, my drunk friend isn't sure if DAC has gone back in the room to get something to autograph, or what. So Rick knocks on the door again. DAC answers, "Why are you still here?" Before Rick could answer why, boom. DAC hits him with a right hook and slams the door shut. Rick was so startled and freaked out by what had just happened that he just staggers back to his room, only to find that his wife had passed out, leaving him with a good bad-honeymoon story.
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Back around 1979 or 80, an old friend, Ricky, was on his (first) honeymoon and noticed that David Allen Coe had a room on the same hallway of the hotel. He told his bride about it and a bit later after sharing a several drinks together she told him she wanted an autograph. Ricky staggers down the hall and knocks on the door, DAC answers, "What the fuck do you want." My friend tells him, "Sorry to bother you, I'm in a room down the hall and am a big fan. I'm on my honeymoon and thought it would be cool if I could get an autograph for my wife." DAC gives him a blank look, says nothing, and closes the door.
Since he didn't say anything before he closed the door in my friends face, my drunk friend isn't sure if DAC has gone back in the room to get something to autograph, or what. So Rick knocks on the door again. DAC answers, "Why are you still here?" Before Rick could answer why, boom. DAC hits him with a right hook and slams the door shut. Rick was so startled and freaked out by what had just happened that he just staggers back to his room, only to find that his wife had passed out, leaving him with a good bad-honeymoon story.
In the late 90's I went to a DAC concert at a rodeo in Winnie Tx. He was so drunk he fell off his stool several times, blended songs into other songs & just completely missed lyrics. He had a pink, braided goatee...Oh and he brought Pantera on stage with him towards the end for some growling songs that they were famous for. It made for a memorably odd night.
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Added St. Louis, Tampa Bay (where Ensberg lands a new managerial gig after being fired by the Astros), Pittsburgh and Los Angeles...
Good article about Ensberg, new minor league manager for TB.
https://www.fayobserver.com/entertainmentlife/20190119/woodpeckers-75-days-and-counting---ensberg-with-rays-organization (https://www.fayobserver.com/entertainmentlife/20190119/woodpeckers-75-days-and-counting---ensberg-with-rays-organization)
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Bo Porter joins the commentator team on pre and postgame shows on Nats' TV broadcasts. He's replacing ex-Astro Ray Knight who was fired for some contretemps with a MASN staffer last year. Porter of course spent 2 seasons as 3B coach for Washington before being hired by the Astros.
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Good article about Ensberg, new minor league manager for TB.
https://www.fayobserver.com/entertainmentlife/20190119/woodpeckers-75-days-and-counting---ensberg-with-rays-organization (https://www.fayobserver.com/entertainmentlife/20190119/woodpeckers-75-days-and-counting---ensberg-with-rays-organization)
He was successful on the field in Houston. Wonder what happened.
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Not only him, but a lot of the others.
Nate, since I sort of tune out in the off-season and am unaware, has there been something written on the "10,000 feet" view of the "purge"? Seems like there was a lot of movement beyond folks taking their skills to other organizations.
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Bo Porter joins the commentator team on pre and postgame shows on Nats' TV broadcasts. He's replacing ex-Astro Ray Knight who was fired for some contretemps with a MASN staffer last year. Porter of course spent 2 seasons as 3B coach for Washington before being hired by the Astros.
Saw him on MLB Network today. Said he learned a lot as Astros manager. Doesn't regret his experience and considers the Astros a top flight organization.
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Added the Indians...
Minor Leagues
Casey Candaele--manager at short season Vancouver/skill development coordinator (Blue Jays)
Adam Everett--infield coordinator (Braves)
Mike Brumley--hitting coordinator (Braves)
Doug Mansolino--field coordinator (Braves)
Dave Wallace--director of pitching (Braves)
Randy Niemann--pitching instructor (Cardinals)
Greg Gross--hitting coach @ AAA Reno (D-Backs)
Doug Drabek--pitching coach @ AA Jackson (D-Backs)
Franklin Stubbs--hitting coach @ short season Hillsboro (D-Backs)
Dave Borkowski--pitching coach @ AA Tulsa (Dodgers)
Jason Bourgeois--coach @ low-A Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Jim Pankovits--manager @ hi-A Lynchburg (Indians)
Pete Harnisch--special assignment pitching coach (Mariners)
Jimmy Van Ostrand--peak performance coach (Mariners)
Randy Knorr--manager @ AAA Fresno (Nats)
Jimmy Jones--pitching coach @ AA Amarillo (Padres)
Burt Hooton--pitching coach @ low-A Fort Wayne (Padres)
John Halama--pitching coach @ short season Peoria (Padres)
Jonathan Meyer--fielding coach @ short season Peoria (Padres)
Fernando Nieve--pitching coach @ short season GCL (Pirates)
Quinten McCracken--coach @ AAA Durham (Rays)
Morgan Ensberg--manager @ AA Montgomery (Rays)
Rafael Valenzuela--manager @ short season GCL (Rays)
Danny Darwin--pitching coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Daryle Ward--hitting coach @ AA Chattanooga (Reds)
Ricky Gutierrez--manager @ hi-A Daytona (Reds)
Rich Gedman--hitting coach @ AAA Pawtucket (Red Sox)
Doug Henry--pitching coach @ AA Northwest Arkansas (Royals)
Brooks Conrad--manager @ low-A Lexington (Royals)
Harry Spilman--special ass't to player development (Royals)
Leon Roberts--senior hitting advisor (Royals)
Willie Blair--pitching coach @ low-A West Michigan (Tigers)
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For lack of a better spot to put it, an article on Cavan Biggio (https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-biggio-eyes-another-big-year-many-gloves-ready/) on his transition to playing multiple positions and the possibility he makes his MLB debut with the BJs this year.
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JB Shuck latches on to his 7th organization, signing a minor league deal with the Pirates with a big camp invite.
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Rangers sign Hunter Pence to a minor league deal with an invite to major league camp.
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Rangers sign Hunter Pence to a minor league deal with an invite to major league camp.
Interesting.
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Rangers sign Hunter Pence to a minor league deal with an invite to major league camp.
I thought he was too hurt to keep playing.
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I thought he was too hurt to keep playing.
He apparently played in the Dominican this winter.
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Rangers sign Hunter Pence to a minor league deal with an invite to major league camp.
He grew up in Arlington and played at UT-Arlington. Location, location, location.
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Hunter Pence runs like a mime struggling to open a parasol in an electrical storm, but he's an All-Star.
I give you: the Hunter Pence Scouting Report Generator (https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/4/4/11335276/hunter-pence-scouting-report-sf-giants).
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I give you: the Hunter Pence Scouting Report Generator (https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/4/4/11335276/hunter-pence-scouting-report-sf-giants).
A classic.
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I thought he was too hurt to keep playing.
Hunter Pence suddenly... changed course?
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Hunter Pence suddenly... changed course?
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Excellent point
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I read that Pence worked with a "swing guru" in Oct./Nov. to "rebuild" his swing in a way that wouldn't aggravate his back condition. He posted video of himself hitting in the cage last week on Twitter or Instagram. I saw no apparent differences, though I doubt anyone really knows what is going on in that swing. His hack appears to be as herky-jerky and discombobulated as ever.
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Former Astros Tim Fedorowicz and Asher wojo signed minor league/camp invites with the Tribe.
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A classic.
"Hunter Pence swings the bat like a very tall hobbit avoiding a swarm of bees, but somehow he makes it work."
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Robbie Grossman signed with the A's, Xavier Cedeno with the Cubs and Doug Fister retires.
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Maybin going to San Francisco as a non-roster invitee.
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News on Jandel who's got a non-roster invite with SF...
The Giants went after Gustave hard when he became a minor league free agent, but he waited until about 10 days ago to sign. The front office was pretty psyched to get the 26-year-old right-hander.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/camp-observations-could-giants-successfully-carry-three-catchers
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Kyle Tucker's bro signed with the White Sox on a minor league deal with big league camp invite.
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Bud Norris has to settle for a minor league deal with the BJs.
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Bud Norris has to settle for a minor league deal with the BJs.
Is that a Bob Kraft joke?
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Is that a Bob Kraft joke?
If he makes the team will that be a happy finish?
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If he makes the team will that be a happy finish?
As long as the younger Rougned Odor doesn't get traded to Toronto.
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If he makes the team will that be a happy finish?
Let’s ask Brad Hand, the reliever.
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Carlos Gomez finally fulfills his destiny to be a Met.
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Carlos Gomez finally fulfills his destiny to be a Met.
Will he be the new Mr. Met? It's a perfect job for him.
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Will he be the new Mr. Met? It's a perfect job for him.
I guess that's a question for Mrs. Met.
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Cam Maybin arrested for DUI according to reports.
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Cam Maybin arrested for DUI according to reports.
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Ugh. Hate to hear that.
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Cam Maybin arrested for DUI according to reports.
Pulled over going 55 in a 35 MPH zone.
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According to a new report that just hit MLB Trade Rumors, we offered Martin Maldonado a 2 year contract at the beginning of the offseason that he and Boras turned down.
Maldonado has dumped Boras and hired new representation.
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Boras is going to lose clients a whole lot bigger than Maldonado if he keeps producing results like he has the past 2 years.
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Boras is going to lose clients a whole lot bigger than Maldonado if he keeps producing results like he has the past 2 years.
Let him eat cake.
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According to a new report that just hit MLB Trade Rumors, we offered Martin Maldonado a 2 year contract at the beginning of the offseason that he and Boras turned down.
Maldonado has dumped Boras and hired new representation.
Rosenthal reporting it was for 2 yrs/$12MM.
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Rosenthal reporting it was for 2 yrs/$12MM.
Holy hell, what was he thinking turning that down?
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Holy hell, what was he thinking turning that down?
+1
Incredible what these people are thinking sometimes.
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Incredible what these people are thinking sometimes.
But, but, but... COLLUSION!
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Let him eat cake.
“What was Carlos Lee’s training regimen?”
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“What was Carlos Lee’s training regimen?”
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/golf clap/
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The Dodgers released Josh Fields.
Yordan Alvarez says hi.
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The Dodgers released Josh Fields.
Yordan Alvarez says hi.
So do Altuve and Correa.
What a great trade.
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The Dodgers released Josh Fields.
Yordan Alvarez says hi.
Between Alvarez and Game 5, that’s really one of the better trades in franchise history.
Edit: son of a gun, wasn’t quick enough on the draw.
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Between Alvarez and Game 5, that’s really one of the better trades in franchise history.
Edit: son of a gun, wasn’t quick enough on the draw.
Game 2.
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Game 2.
Oh of course, I confused him with Morrow in G5.
The great thing about mixing up two of the best games of your life is that the remedy is re-watching two of the best games of your life.
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Brian Bogusevic--didn't realize the ex-1st rounder had officially ended his playing career (last played in the Red Sox org in 2017) and is now doing studio work for ATTSW on Astros' broadcasts this spring.
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Tony Sipp signs a major league deal with the Nats, $1.25 million with a $250k buyout on a 2020 mutual option (option is for $2.5 million).
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Tony Sipp signs a major league deal with the Nats, $1.25 million with a $250k buyout on a 2020 mutual option (option is for $2.5 million).
That's a bargain.
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That's a bargain.
For last year Tony, yes. For last 3 years Tony, not so much.
Smart of the Nats to back load the value of the contract and make it optional.
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While looking for Kyle Tucker's minor league stats during ST, I ran across these notes:
Glad to see Preston getting a chance w/ the WS (minor league FA contract), driving in the 6th & 7th runs in an 8-run 8th inning. https://www.mlb.com/video/white-sox-s-8-run-8th-inning-c2523607983 (https://www.mlb.com/video/white-sox-s-8-run-8th-inning-c2523607983)
and Colin Moran getting a chance @ 3B w/ the Bucs.
https://www.mlb.com/video/moran-s-three-run-homer-c2523630283 (https://www.mlb.com/video/moran-s-three-run-homer-c2523630283)
Good update https://www.mlb.com/news/colin-moran-aims-to-improve-defensive-skills-c304024496 (https://www.mlb.com/news/colin-moran-aims-to-improve-defensive-skills-c304024496)
Musgrove is recovering from abdominal surgery and a stress fracture https://www.mlb.com/news/joe-musgrove-easing-into-throwing-this-spring-c303902114 (https://www.mlb.com/news/joe-musgrove-easing-into-throwing-this-spring-c303902114)
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Moran is actually in a worse spot than he was last year - he was the primary 3B for PIT, and now they've named Jung-Ho Kang as the starter over Colin. And those guys are probably just keeping the seat warm for Charlie Hayes' son.
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Josh Fields has signed a minor league deal with the Brewers.
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Josh Fields has signed a minor league deal with the Brewers.
Brewers will lead the league in flowing locks.
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Brewers will lead the league in flowing locks.
In 2017, he had a beard but no long hair.
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Rangers sign Hunter Pence to a minor league deal with an invite to major league camp.
Apparently he's been told he's made the OD roster.
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Pitcher Jose Cisnero was signed by the Astros back in 2007, spent all or parts of 7 years in the minors and reached Houston for 28 appearances in 2013 and another 5 appearances in 2014. In the final game of that latter year, he blew out his elbow pitching at Comerica Park. It turned out to be his final game with the Astros and last major league appearance to date. He moved on to short stints with the Reds and D-Backs. Since then there's been time in the Mexican League and an indy league and finally a last gasp chance in 2018 in an obscure DR league called the Cibao Summer League. It's for released players and Cubans who haven't yet caught on with an MLB organization. Pitched well enough there to gain an invite to the DWL where the Tigers saw him and signed him. They even gave him a non-roster invite to big league camp this spring. Showing off 97/98 velo, he's pitched well enough that he's one of three guys being considered for the final spot in the Detroit bullpen.
https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2019/02/in-baseball-wilderness-for-years-tigers-jose-cisnero-never-gave-up-on-return.html
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2019/03/21/power-up-detroit-tigers-have-added-some-muscle-bullpen-mix/3233503002/
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Marwin is off to a good start.
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Marwin is off to a good start.
Big game winning hit by him yesterday after a rough spring training. I wish him the best. I really like that Twins team.
They really should sign Keuchel.
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Big game winning hit by him yesterday after a rough spring training. I wish him the best. I really like that Twins team.
They really should sign Keuchel.
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From your lips to God's ears, says an owner of Keuchel in fantasy baseball.
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From your lips to God's ears, says an owner of Keuchel in fantasy baseball.
Your league doesn't have a mechanism to keep people from drafting non-affiliated players?
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Your league doesn't have a mechanism to keep people from drafting non-affiliated players?
Apparently not, and what hurt was that he was oicked on aut0draft. But my protestations were shot down with a heaping helping of fuck off, it serves you right.
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Trent Thornton, of Fresno (AAA) fame last year and traded to the Blue Jays for Díaz pitches five innings, allowing two hits, no runs and striking out 8 (!) in his MLB debut yesterday. Good for him.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/trent-thornton-sets-blue-jays-record-strikeouts-mlb-debut/sn-amp/
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JD Davis with two homers so far today for the Mets.
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Ouch. After some other Nats reliever surrenders the lead by giving up two homers, Sipp comes into a 5-5 game with two outs and nobody on. He promptly gives up a double, a HBP, and a single to give up the lead for good.
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A baseball clinic would probably be too much to ask, so I guess anything will do.
Carlos Gomez put on a dancing clinic while in the clubhouse (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/carlos-gomez-gave-a-solo-dance-class)
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And here's your regularly scheduled Ramon Laureano defensive highlight: https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1120066941144698885
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That was a misfire from Laser Ramon
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That was a misfire from Laser Ramon
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Channeling his inner Rex Grossman: fuck it, I'm goin' deep
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Textbook 8-2-6 dp.
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That was a misfire from Laser Ramon
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He decoyed the runner.
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That was a misfire from Laser Ramon
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Takes a cannon of an arm to overthrow 1st base from where he was.
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Textbook 8-2-6 dp.
The great ones make it look routine.
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Mike Fiers just threw a no-hitter against the Reds. Wow
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Mike Fiers just threw a no-hitter against the Reds. Wow
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Laureano again:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mike-fiers-throws-no-hitter-athletics-profar-and-laureano-make-dazzling-defensive-plays-on-consecutive-pitches (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mike-fiers-throws-no-hitter-athletics-profar-and-laureano-make-dazzling-defensive-plays-on-consecutive-pitches)/
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Mike Fiers just threw a no-hitter against the Reds. Wow
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Amazing.
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Mike Fiers just threw a no-hitter against the Reds. Wow
Incredible.
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Raise your hands if you thought Mike Fiers would throw TWO no-hitters in MLB.
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Raise your hands if you thought Mike Fiers would throw TWO no-hitters in MLB.
Isn't that the truth.
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Raise your hands if you thought Mike Fiers would throw TWO no-hitters in MLB.
I would have hesitated if you asked "9 hitless innings in a season."
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Raise your hands if you thought Mike Fiers would throw TWO no-hitters in MLB.
Even Homer Bailey didn't think it was possible.
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Laureano again:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mike-fiers-throws-no-hitter-athletics-profar-and-laureano-make-dazzling-defensive-plays-on-consecutive-pitches (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mike-fiers-throws-no-hitter-athletics-profar-and-laureano-make-dazzling-defensive-plays-on-consecutive-pitches)/
I don't understand how an organization as astute at evaluating talent let Laureano get away.
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I don't understand how an organization as astute at evaluating talent let Laureano get away.
Because he was blocked. Surely that is not hard to see or understand. They did him a favor by trading him, and he said thanks you.
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I don't understand how an organization as astute at evaluating talent let Laureano get away.
Who would you replace with him, Springer, Reddick or Brantley?
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Who would you replace with him, Springer, Reddick or Brantley?
I assume he would have Jake's job.
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I assume he would have Jake's job.
Marisnick
AVG
.269
HR
2
RBI
5
R
10
Laureano
AVG
.216
HR
3
RBI
12
R
18
Thanks, I will keep springer, Brantley, reddick, and Marisnick
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Marisnick
AVG
.269
HR
2
RBI
5
R
10
Laureano
AVG
.216
HR
3
RBI
12
R
18
Thanks, I will keep springer, Brantley, reddick, and Marisnick
Additionally:
2019
Marisnick 52AB .783OPS
Laureano 125AB .726OPS
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Nice problem to have.
Too much talent in the system for it all too see the light of day with the big club.
Hope that keeps up.
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I assume he would have Jake's job.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
Insightful. Never said that's what I'd want, but *if* they had chosen to keep Laureano, the 4/5 OFer, all-world glove, suspect bat with some pop, PR role would seem to make the most sense. They're very similar players.
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I assume he would have Jake's job.
Next year. I believe Jake is in his last contract year.
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Raise your hands if you thought Mike Fiers would throw TWO no-hitters in MLB.
He now has two career complete games.
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I assume he would have Jake's job.
So you'd swap Jake for Laureano? Why?
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Insightful. Never said that's what I'd want, but *if* they had chosen to keep Laureano, the 4/5 OFer, all-world glove, suspect bat with some pop, PR role would seem to make the most sense. They're very similar players.
Laureano has far less pop than Jake. I get that's a great defensive outfielder. But he's a black hole at the plate, and the Astros were already full up with great glove/hole-in-the-bat backup outfielders. I don't get the handwringing over losing him.
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Insightful. Never said that's what I'd want, but *if* they had chosen to keep Laureano, the 4/5 OFer, all-world glove, suspect bat with some pop, PR role would seem to make the most sense. They're very similar players.
Really. So tell Tucker and Alvarez “sorry” Laureano has your spot.
and Straw?
Cannot keep them all.
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Cannot keep them all.
Exactly, and it's not like he was released. They acquired RP, Brandon Bailey for him. I do not know what Bailey will amount to, but they had to move some players and took a shot on him. We are still a year or two away from really figuring out how the Astros/A's make out on this trade, and whether or not it was a good idea to send him away.
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Exactly, and it's not like he was released. They acquired RP, Brandon Bailey for him. I do not know what Bailey will amount to, but they had to move some players and took a shot on him. We are still a year or two away from really figuring out how the Astros/A's make out on this trade, and whether or not it was a good idea to send him away.
Yep yep yep. Bailey is interesting. He's another guy they targeted for spin—they have a pretty solid track record with pitchers like that. Book's still open on this one.
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Insightful. Never said that's what I'd want, but *if* they had chosen to keep Laureano, the 4/5 OFer, all-world glove, suspect bat with some pop, PR role would seem to make the most sense. They're very similar players.
Who’s counting? I forget which step this is.
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Who’s counting?
Hopefully you can, Bob, since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
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Exactly, and it's not like he was released. They acquired RP, Brandon Bailey for him. I do not know what Bailey will amount to, but they had to move some players and took a shot on him. We are still a year or two away from really figuring out how the Astros/A's make out on this trade, and whether or not it was a good idea to send him away.
This. I was happy to see the Davis trade too, we'll see on that eventually, and I still have some level of hope they can get something/anything eventually for the White/Reed/Kemp/esp. Fisher types who don't really have a future with the big club.
Really. So tell Tucker and Alvarez “sorry” Laureano has your spot.
and Straw?
Cannot keep them all.
Straw I like and hope they keep for that purpose. Tucker and Alvarez do not fit the role I was talking about. Tucker was brought up to be a starting OFer, Alvarez when he's brought up will be in the lineup everyday.
What I originally said was that I assumed, after Hudson asked someone else which starting OFer Laureano would have replaced, that he would have replaced a bench OF. That is literally all I said.
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It's not hard to understand both thought processes.
- In trading Laureano, the Astros knew that he had little chance of playing everyday until at least 2019 (and, as it turned out, the Brantley signing pushed that back to at least 2021), Marisnick was a known quantity with several years' worth of experience, and they were betting that Marisnick as the 4th OF and Kemp/Tucker/Fisher/Straw/Alvarez as the 5th OF were, at worst, good enough defensively (if not equivalent in most cases) with more offensive upside than Laureano.
- If they had kept Laureano, it would have been because they'd be ready to move on from Marisnick (who, as the oldest of all the players in this post, would indeed probably be the one to get voted off the island), they'd get roughly equivalent offensive production and defense from the others while saving money, and fix something in Laureano's hitting.
We also can't dodge the fact that Marisnick and Laureano are remarkably similar players. In the minors:
Marisnick: .280/.347/.450, 2.84 K:BB, 1 SB every 3.9 games
Laureano: .271/.350/..445, 2.36 K:BB, 1 SB every 3.9 games
In the majors, Laureano's sample size is smaller so direct comparisons are hard, but we do know that both strike out way too much (especially Marisnick).
You can defend keeping Marisnick, and I'm glad we have him. But it would not have been hard to defend keeping Laureano, even if it were at Marisnick's expense.
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You can defend keeping Marisnick, and I'm glad we have him. But it would not have been hard to defend keeping Laureano, even if it were at Marisnick's expense.
I don't think anyone is disputing that Laureano could fill a similar role, it's just responding to the original comment that the Astros somehow missed the boat on him and it calls into question their ability to judge talent. He's got value, but he's not the kind of player who pushes people out of his way, and he simply wasn't an upgrade.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that Laureano could fill a similar role, it's just responding to the original comment that the Astros somehow missed the boat on him and it calls into question their ability to judge talent. He's got value, but he's not the kind of player who pushes people out of his way, and he simply wasn't an upgrade.
This.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that Laureano could fill a similar role, it's just responding to the original comment that the Astros somehow missed the boat on him and it calls into question their ability to judge talent. He's got value, but he's not the kind of player who pushes people out of his way, and he simply wasn't an upgrade.
I'm sure you are referring to my post and let me clarify something. I never questioned the organization's talent evaluation abilities. I complimented it. The rest of your post I agree with in retrospect and in reading some of the board's comments.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that Laureano could fill a similar role, it's just responding to the original comment that the Astros somehow missed the boat on him and it calls into question their ability to judge talent. He's got value, but he's not the kind of player who pushes people out of his way, and he simply wasn't an upgrade.
Exactly. And as one who haunts the bus ride section, I was sorry to see him go ... but more for sentimental reasons than because of anyone's inability too judge talent. And I also like Bailey!
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I'm sure you are referring to my post and let me clarify something. I never questioned the organization's talent evaluation abilities. I complimented it. The rest of your post I agree with in retrospect and in reading some of the board's comments.
You said how could they have missed Laureano if they are so good at evaluation. That is what everyone reacted to.
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You said how could they have missed Laureano if they are so good at evaluation. That is what everyone reacted to.
"If" was not included in the sentence.
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"If" was not included in the sentence.
A distinction without a difference.
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A distinction without a difference.
Only if that is what you want it to be.
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Only if that is what you want it to be.
“I don't understand how an organization as astute at evaluating talent let Laureano get away.”
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Luhnow in April:
"I don't think we quite had the defense rated as well as its played in the big leagues. That was an underassessment on our part."
"We had a feeling (Laureano) was going to be a pretty good big league player, but he's gotten off to a faster start in his career than we thought. So, yeah, he's one that I'd love to have back."
"We just didn't feel he was going to be as good a center fielder as Jake (Marisnick) or as Myles (Straw) and some of the other guys we have. He certainly has proven to be every bit the player."
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Luhnow in April:
"I don't think we quite had the defense rated as well as its played in the big leagues. That was an underassessment on our part."
"We had a feeling (Laureano) was going to be a pretty good big league player, but he's gotten off to a faster start in his career than we thought. So, yeah, he's one that I'd love to have back."
"We just didn't feel he was going to be as good a center fielder as Jake (Marisnick) or as Myles (Straw) and some of the other guys we have. He certainly has proven to be every bit the player."
Gracious comments.
ETA: I have no doubt Laureano has exceeded the brain trust’s expectations. To that, I would say so also has Straw. He is a decent hitter at RR and is playing SS as well. There simply is no way to keep all of the talent Houston has stockpiled, and for the foreseeable future, Laureano was competing with Straw to be a 4th or 5th OFer. Sure no one is saying he projected to be better than Marisnick before he was traded. He has done very well with the As, and good for him. Hader is the one I want back, but even that is 20-20 hindsight.
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Gracious comments.
Yup because to give a more exhaustive answer would not be thoroughly understood. Those who played this game will tell you there is a phenomenon called "when the switch went on" when it comes to a player becoming much better than anticipated. There is no way to tell when or where a switch will go on, you can only judge by the skill that you predict the kid will be a good major leaguer. You can overestimate the ability to play in the big leagues on a player as much as you can underestimate on said player. It is because of all you can do is go on skill level. That is why you have different levels of minor leagues to try and mitigate only going on skill for the major league level. The more competitive leagues you have a player go through, the better because they prove what you see in skill is true. But does it prove they are major league ready or that one player is more ready than another? Only the major leagues will tell you that. The best you can do is read as much as you can into a players performance beyond skills. Read temperament, work ethics, baseball smarts and acumen, and how they react when they are in a slump as much as when they are going well. None of that translates into numbers. It is what good baseball men will use to judge what the numbers are saying and are not saying.
It's not an exact science, it is more of a judgment call. You can't doubt your judgment because one day the switch went on and the same player that was not getting it (how to be a major league) all of sudden gets it. Sometimes we just say to ourselves "He's not the same player he used to be". The Astros judge by numbers and they are better at it than any team in the majors. But no one in the majors is immune to a player's switch going on at some point in their career. That you cannot judge. To try and say the Astros should have done better to judge his ability to play in the majors is asking them to be Kreskin. No one can do that beyond judging skill and that they Astros on pure skill alone said Marisnick and Straw were better skill-wise is a very honest answer.
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Player evaluation is all about projecting the future, not about past static’s. “How will be project as an every day player? As a backup?” In Keuchel (and others) case, “how will he be as he ages?”
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The Laureano kid does have the best outfield arm in MLB, except for maybe Cespedes, Puig, or Hicks.
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Player evaluation is all about projecting the future, not about past static’s. “How will be project as an every day player? As a backup?” In Keuchel (and others) case, “how will he be as he ages?”
The “as he ages” part is just so interesting both on the ascending (as with Laureano) and descending (as with Keuchel) side of the equation. It’s one of the things I like about following the Astros. We get to see the results of that analysis played out very, very well. And it’s fun to try to dip our toe into that analytical stream and try to figure out their analytical process.
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Marwin was injured in a scary play tonight at first base while trying to beat out an infield grounder. He took a knee to the head when he collided with Tigers first baseman Goodrum and suffered a facial contusion. Hope he gets well soon. After a slow start, Marwin was just starting to heat up.
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It took just one pitch for Fiers to lose his no-hit bid last night.
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Marwin has a 6 game hitting streak and is batting .357 in May.
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Marwin has a 6 game hitting streak and is batting .357 in May.
Ask me if I care. He plays for the Twins. I loved him in Houston and am grateful for all he accomplishments, but he chased money, turned us down, and did not stay. In 2019 he is a JAG on another team.
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Plus, after a rough start Diaz is really starting to look good (and has been better than Marwin at the plate).
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Ask me if I care. He plays for the Twins. I loved him in Houston and am grateful for all he accomplishments, but he chased money, turned us down, and did not stay. In 2019 he is a JAG on another team.
This thread may not be up your alley.
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Ask me if I care. He plays for the Twins. I loved him in Houston and am grateful for all he accomplishments, but he chased money, turned us down, and did not stay. In 2019 he is a JAG on another team.
Did the Astros ever make an offer for him to turn down? I don’t remember one being reported. They traded for Diaz very early last offseason to replace him, so I guess it is possible he didn’t engage in discussions and the team quickly moved on. But I do not remember anything like that being reported.
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Did the Astros ever make an offer for him to turn down? I don’t remember one being reported. They traded for Diaz very early last offseason to replace him, so I guess it is possible he didn’t engage in discussions and the team quickly moved on. But I do not remember anything like that being reported.
I expect he made his financial demands known and the Astros moved on.
I agree with Jim — JAG at this point.
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Did the Astros ever make an offer for him to turn down? I don’t remember one being reported. They traded for Diaz very early last offseason to replace him, so I guess it is possible he didn’t engage in discussions and the team quickly moved on. But I do not remember anything like that being reported.
Crane said they did. I do not know.
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This thread may not be up your alley.
I understand the purpose of the thread and read all updates posted. I am saying what I think about unrequited love for Marwin.
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This thread may not be up your alley.
That's funny.
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I understand the purpose of the thread and read all updated posted. I am saying what I think about unrequited love for Marwin.
I compartmentalize. I like a few players on other teams. I want their teams to lose when they play the Astros but otherwise enjoy seeing them succeed as long as it's not at the Astros expense. There are guys on other teams that I also hate and hope they never become Astros. Sometimes, as in the cases of Carlos Gomez's and Roger Clemen's times as Astros, I'm conflicted by wanting someone I dislike to do well. That said no one misses "The King" more than I do. Also, how do you know it's unrequited?
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I compartmentalize. I like a few players on other teams. I want their teams to lose when they play the Astros but otherwise enjoy seeing them succeed as long as it's not at the Astros expense. There are guys on other teams that I also hate and hope they never become Astros. Sometimes, as in the cases of Carlos Gomez's and Roger Clemen's times as Astros, I'm conflicted by wanting someone I dislike to do well. That said no one misses "The King" more than I do. Also, how do you know it's unrequited?
The name on his jersey told me. I wish him well and thank him for all he did, but he is a JAG.
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I will always hold Marwin as special. Diaz is my guy now.
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I will always hold Marwin as special. Diaz is my guy now.
After his kind of rocky start, I like what we're seeing out of Diaz now. But I'm not sure he'll ever get on top of a Kenley Jansen fastball and drive it out of the park when his team needs it the most.
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After his kind of rocky start, I like what we're seeing out of Diaz now. But I'm not sure he'll ever get on top of a Kenley Jansen fastball and drive it out of the park when his team needs it the most.
I hope he gets the chance.
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After his kind of rocky start, I like what we're seeing out of Diaz now. But I'm not sure he'll ever get on top of a Kenley Jansen fastball and drive it out of the park when his team needs it the most.
Well, neither did Marwin. He lifted a cutter. That was two years ago. This is now. Diaz is an Astro. Marwin is a Twin. Biggest swing in Astros history, and the key word is history.
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I will always hold Marwin as special. Diaz is my guy now.
Always liked Marwin except his plodding around between pitches. I hope him the best except when facing the good guys.
To me defense is where Marwin separates himself from Diaz so far. Diaz made a great play to his right at 2nd last night, but he doesn't look comfortable in the outfield. He doesn't show to have Marwin's arm strength at SS or outfield either.
I haven't seen any indication that the Astros made Marwin an offer. Although, I have no doubt that if Marwin asked to stay (for a reasonable amount) the Astros would have made that offer in a heartbeat. The Stros signing Diaz early to me indicates that Marwin made it clear he wanted to test the market.
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WTF. We do not have Marwin or Cesar Cedeno either. This thread is great for keeping up with guys who were in our past, but guys we have now are our future.
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Brantley is Marwin's replacement on offense.
And he's a bonafide professional hitter.
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Always liked Marwin except his plodding around between pitches. I hope him the best except when facing the good guys.
To me defense is where Marwin separates himself from Diaz so far. Diaz made a great play to his right at 2nd last night, but he doesn't look comfortable in the outfield. He doesn't show to have Marwin's arm strength at SS or outfield either.
I haven't seen any indication that the Astros made Marwin an offer. Although, I have no doubt that if Marwin asked to stay (for a reasonable amount) the Astros would have made that offer in a heartbeat. The Stros signing Diaz early to me indicates that Marwin made it clear he wanted to test the market.
Crane: “we want to keep Marwin and Keuchel.” How do you keep him without at least asking what it will take?
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Crane: “we want to keep Marwin and Keuchel.” How do you keep him without at least asking what it will take?
Yea, no doubt that Luhnow did his part in starting the conversation to keep him. Marwin obviously wanted to test the market. All while Diaz is filling the role for a MUCH lesser price.
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#KHOU @SL_Skeeters The Skeeters’ newest player is former #Astros outfielder Willy Taveras. He signed a contract yesterday and went 1 for 4 at the plate at age 36.
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Jordan Lyles is 4-1 with a 1.97 ERA for the Pirates.
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Greggerson released by the Turdinals.
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1130522242440466433?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1130522242440466433?s=19)
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Jordan Lyles is 4-1 with a 1.97 ERA for the Pirates.
Hope he keeps it up. Always liked that guy. I predicted he would be good and I've been wrong for a long long time.
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Michael Feliz (sent as part of Cole trade) started for the Pirates tonight against the Dodgers. Only recorded one out, left losing 5-0 after giving up a run scoring double and a grand slam in the 1st.
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Michael Feliz (sent as part of Cole trade) started for the Pirates tonight against the Dodgers. Only recorded one out, left losing 5-0 after giving up a run scoring double and a grand slam in the 1st.
And then got optioned out.
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Jake Elmore got DFA'd.
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Heard on a recent Effectively Wild that Chris Carter is the king of the Mexican League right now. Mashing insanely and not in a particularly hitter-friendly stadium. Goes to show how great Big Leaguers are.
I was happy to hear it. I always liked Gentle Bear--especially when he was DHing. I will long remember the ripping singles he'd smash through the gap on clotheslines that got to the wall too fast for him to advance.
Anyway, he even became a Mexican citizen! How easy is that, by the way? (Asking for a friend.)
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Keuchel just signed with the Atlanta Braves. No terms announced as I type but sounds like a one year deal.
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$20 million, prorated to $13 million.
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Is boras going to make him whole on the $5mm he lost?
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Is boras going to make him whole on the $5mm he lost?
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Please let us know how things are over there in your alternate reality.
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Please let us know how things are over there in your alternate reality.
Sarc meter malfunctioning?
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Sarc meter malfunctioning?
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Yours or mine?
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Is boras going to make him whole on the $5mm he lost?
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Boras is proclaiming loudly that he "won". He got a $20MM/year contract instead of the $17.9MM QO from the Astros. Scoreboard.
I'm not sure how he's going to explain to Mrs. Keuchel that she has $4.9MM less to spend this year though.
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Is boras going to make him whole on the $5mm he lost?
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And I have it from a fairly reliable source that Boras advised him to take the Astros $17.9MM QO, but Keuchel insisted on testing free agency. Either way, this is 100% on Keuchel, not his agent.
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And I have it from a fairly reliable source that Boras advised him to take the Astros $17.9MM QO, but Keuchel insisted on testing free agency. Either way, this is 100% on Keuchel, not his agent.
They're both fucksticks. Moving on...
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And I have it from a fairly reliable source that Boras advised him to take the Astros $17.9MM QO, but Keuchel insisted on testing free agency. Either way, this is 100% on Keuchel, not his agent.
If this is true, I have to at least give credit to Boras for keeping it quiet even though the entire episode has made him (Boras) look bad to outsiders.
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If this is true, I have to at least give credit to Boras for keeping it quiet even though the entire episode has made him (Boras) look bad to outsiders.
Anyone who matters understands its always 100% the player's call. He probably doesn't lose any sleep over what the talk radio crowd thinks.
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Anyone who matters understands its always 100% the player's call. He probably doesn't lose any sleep over what the talk radio crowd thinks.
This. This right here. Boras is laughing all the way to the bank.
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Ken Giles headed to the
DL IL right before the Astros-Blue Jays series:
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/blue-jays-ken-giles-out-with-elbow-inflammation/
He's been having a pretty good year: 1.08 ERA, 11 saves in 12 tries, 1.04 WHIP, 42 K in 25 IP.
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Not sure if this should go here or the bus ride but...
The triumphant return of Felipe Paulino??? Astros have signed him and he's headed to RR, yes THAT Felipe Paulino who debuted 10+ years ago. He's been with the Skeeters most recently
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Not sure if this should go here or the bus ride but...
The triumphant return of Felipe Paulino??? Astros have signed him and he's headed to RR, yes THAT Felipe Paulino who debuted 10+ years ago. He's been with the Skeeters most recently
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Went to a Skeeters game earlier this summer and got to see him pitch. He still has some swing and miss in him; wasn't he a fireballer when he came up? Because I think his velocity topped out at 93-94.
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Went to a Skeeters game earlier this summer and got to see him pitch. He still has some swing and miss in him; wasn't he a fireballer when he came up? Because I think his velocity topped out at 93-94.
Yes he was throwing up to 100 when he was younger.
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Cam Maybin has homered in 4 consecutive games.
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Cam Maybin has homered in 4 consecutive games.
Mrs Maybin told me the other day that he is really impressed by the Yankee esprit de corps. Said with a lot of teams there is a sense of resentment or competition directed to the guy brought in to fill the slot of an injured player; not so in the Bronx, she said. They just want to win.
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J D Martinez's former agent has filed a law suit against Martinez's financial adviser and Merrill Lynch (who the adviser used to work for) for "intentional interference with his contract" (https://theathletic.com/1028048/2019/06/17/wendy-thurm-why-the-lawsuit-filed-by-j-d-martinezs-ex-agent-is-different-and-raising-some-interesting-questions/) $Athletic$
According to the complaint, as the 2017 season drew to a close, Boras tried to lure Martinez to his agency. Lee got wind of this (presumably from Martinez) and became curious. Lee hadn’t heard of Boras (clearly he wasn’t a baseball fan), but a few Google searches later, he understood that Boras regularly negotiates huge deals for his clients. And that, says Garber, is when Lee decided to double-cross his friend and hitch his star to Boras. The motive? If he steered Martinez to Boras, Boras would thank him by introducing his clients to Lee for financial and wealth services. A win-win for everyone, except for Garber.
According to Garber, Lee started telling Martinez that Garber was washed up and would sell Martinez short in his upcoming contract negotiations. Lee told Martinez to fire Garber and go with Boras. And that’s exactly what Martinez did.
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Jon Kemmer signed to a minor league contract after a great first half in the Mexican League.
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May have been covered in the trade thread but I didn't have time to search .....
Jordan Lyles traded to the Brewers. It seems like this guy has been around for ever but he is still just 28 years old. He performed well for the Brewers last year after the trade deadline. Hoping to catch the magic again.
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C Jake Rogers (part of the Verlander deal) has been called up by the Tigers:
https://twitter.com/KyleAGlaser/status/1156317449228128258
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C Jake Rogers (part of the Verlander deal) has been called up by the Tigers:
https://twitter.com/KyleAGlaser/status/1156317449228128258
Had an RBI single.
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May have been covered in the trade thread but I didn't have time to search .....
Jordan Lyles traded to the Brewers. It seems like this guy has been around for ever but he is still just 28 years old. He performed well for the Brewers last year after the trade deadline. Hoping to catch the magic again.
Nice to see that he went 5 giving up only 1 run, and Albers and Hader each pitched a scoreless inning last night in the Brewers victory over the A’s.
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Brandon Barnes was traded in a minor league deal from the Indians to the Twins. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/indians-trade-brandon-barnes-twins.html)
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
WTF?
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
Crazy
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
Did Marisnick break him?
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
The Angels are glad the steM are around to distract people.
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
All I can figure is it’s a favor to let him join an contender.
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
This is pretty stunning....
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
With the new trade deadline rules, can you trade a DFA after the deadline? How does that work?
(Not that the Astros would want Lucroy right now - just a general question.)
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With the new trade deadline rules, can you trade a DFA after the deadline? How does that work?
(Not that the Astros would want Lucroy right now - just a general question.)
You can’t. He has to pass waivers and become a free agent.
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You can’t. He has to pass waivers and become a free agent.
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They can trade him within the seven-day window, right? See White, T. and Kemp, T.
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They can trade him within the seven-day window, right? See White, T. and Kemp, T.
Not after the deadline. No player who was on a major league roster at July 31 can be dealt.
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Not after the deadline. No player who was on a major league roster at July 31 can be dealt.
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The fact that Lunhow got players back for White, Kemp, and Stassi is pretty remarkable considering there was an unavoidable roster crunch underway.
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Not after the deadline. No player who was on a major league roster at July 31 can be dealt.
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Oh, damn. You are correct. I forgot the deadline.
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The fact that Lunhow got players back for White, Kemp, and Stassi is pretty remarkable considering there was an unavoidable roster crunch underway.
This is one of the most impressive detail oriented things the FO did during this deadline. To accomplish those moves while also making the big deals is amazing.
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Lucroy DFA to make room for Stassi.
WTF?
Some takes on mlbtraderumors.com (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/angels-designate-jonathan-lucroy.html)
(From the article)
....Now, Lucroy can’t be traded. If and when he’s placed on outright waivers, rival organizations will have a chance to claim his contract, which would mean taking on the remainder of the $3.35MM he’s guaranteed this year. (The deal also includes bonuses based upon games started as a catcher and plate appearances.)...
From the comments...
.....Man, Lucroy got screwed. First he gets demolished by Marisnick, then loses his spot on the team because of it. Oh, and by a former teammate - Stassi - of Marisnick no less. Ouch.
.....(cold, DFA right after IL) "They had to, you can’t release or demote someone on the IL."
.....His defense behind the plate was really bad even before holy saint Jake hung a left and sent him to the hospital. I doubt there much of a market for him, but wish him well....
.....Stassi has 3 years of club control and the Angels system is scary thin at catcher. Max will be in training camp next Spring. Lucroy won’t. but I do agree he creates a new baseline, not a new ceiling.
Who KNEW they were done w/ Lucroy, probably b/f the collision! That explains why Stassi was worth a couple kids (https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/astros-trade-catcher-max-stassi-to-angels-for-two-prospects/)
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Not after the deadline. No player who was on a major league roster at July 31 can be dealt.
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Not just on a MLB roster on 7/31 - anyone who had been on a MLB roster at any point this season can't be traded after July 31. Players on minor league contracts who had no MLB service time this season can still be traded.
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I don't understand it, but if one lives long enough.....
Tyler White was the lead off batter for the Dodgers today.
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WTF?
Some takes on mlbtraderumors.com (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/angels-designate-jonathan-lucroy.html)
Who KNEW they were done w/ Lucroy, probably b/f the collision! That explains why Stassi was worth a couple kids (https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/astros-trade-catcher-max-stassi-to-angels-for-two-prospects/)
Snuff, please do not reproduce internet comments here.
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The Nats have DFA’d Tony Sipp.
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Check out V. Velasquez’s OF highlights from last night. You read that right
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Check out V. Velasquez’s OF highlights from last night. You read that right
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That was awesome
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The diving catch was one thing, but I'm not sure why everyone is surprised that a pitcher with a mid-90s fastball could make an on-target throw from left field and nail someone at the plate. Unusual circumstances for sure, but hardly far fetched.
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The diving catch was one thing, but I'm not sure why everyone is surprised that a pitcher with a mid-90s fastball could make an on-target throw from left field and nail someone at the plate. Unusual circumstances for sure, but hardly far fetched.
Sure, he has the arm strength, but fielding a ball and making a throw on target at a high velocity from the outfield is different from throwing a pitch.
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His catch was a 15% catch probability and the Phillies first 5 star outfield catch this year
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His catch was a 15% catch probability and the Phillies first 5 star outfield catch this year
That’s great.
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Unfortunate incident for Derek Fisher in Baltimore. He was playing right and came running in to catch a pop fly in short right. He missed the ball and it hit him in the face/eye. He’s been pulled from the game. Hopefully he’s ok.
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Unfortunate incident for Derek Fisher in Baltimore. He was playing right and came running in to catch a pop fly in short right. He missed the ball and it hit him in the face/eye. He’s been pulled from the game. Hopefully he’s ok.
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Hope no injury, but he is not a good OFer.
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Unfortunate incident for Derek Fisher in Baltimore. He was playing right and came running in to catch a pop fly in short right. He missed the ball and it hit him in the face/eye. He’s been pulled from the game. Hopefully he’s
Saw he had been taken but did not know why.
TY for the heads up. Agree, hope he is OK.
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Sounds like Fisher will be okay: https://www.mlb.com/news/derek-fisher-laughs-off-face-contusion
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Sounds like Fisher will be okay: https://www.mlb.com/news/derek-fisher-laughs-off-face-contusion
Hadn't seen that play, yet. Ouch.
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Not unusual for Fisher. Not a good OFer.
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Not unusual for Fisher. Not a good OFer.
Yeah, but he doesn't routinely catch flyballs with his face, does he?
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Yeah, but he doesn't routinely catch flyballs with his face, does he?
True. When he misjudged them, he usually gets his face out of the way.
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Jonathon Villar hit for the cycle against the Yankmees.
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Not unusual for Fisher. Not a good OFer.
He hit his first homerun as a Blue Jay today.
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He hit his first homerun as a Blue Jay today.
Good for him.
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He hit his first homerun as a Blue Jay today.
Happy for him. I wish him well. He had a chance here, but he blew it through subpar performance. Maybe he changes his swing and becomes the next J.D. Martinez. I wouldn't care one bit, because we needed the pitching at the time.
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Happy for him. I wish him well. He had a chance here, but he blew it through subpar performance. Maybe he changes his swing and becomes the next J.D. Martinez. I wouldn't care one bit, because we needed the pitching at the time.
Yes! This thread helps fans follow and celebrate the success of ex-Astros. Who wasn't surprised by the players the Jays were willing to trade for him? He ended up helping his old team while finally getting a chance to play. Is that going to be the same story for Mayfield?
(Fixed 2nd sentence.)
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Yes! Doesn't the thread about ex-Astros indicate well wishes for at least some ex-Astros. Who wasn't surprised by the players the Jays were willing to trade for him? He ended up helping his old team while finally getting a chance to play. Is that going to be the same story for Mayfield?
Luhnow is The Master
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Luhnow is The Master
A prevailing view I've heard among the punditry is that the Astros would have "won" the trade even if it were Fisher for Biagani straight up.
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A prevailing view I've heard among the punditry is that the Astros would have "won" the trade even if it were Fisher for Biagani straight up.
Three for Fisher, including Aaron Sanchez, is mind-boggling.
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Three for Fisher, including Aaron Sanchez, is mind-boggling.
Agreed.
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Luhnow has said it's "good business" for the traded guys to do well, so I root for all of them.
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Luhnow has said it's "good business" for the traded guys to do well, so I root for all of them.
Was watching the White Sox / A's today and they showed that the top five best ERAs among AL starters since April 26th are Cole, Morton, Fiers, Verlander, Miley.
What's the deal with Fiers? Seems Oakland fixed him as much as we fixed those other guys.
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Was watching the White Sox / A's today and they showed that the top five best ERAs among AL starters since April 26th are Cole, Morton, Fiers, Verlander, Miley.
What's the deal with Fiers? Seems Oakland fixed him as much as we fixed those other guys.
He pitched very well for us at times.
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Was watching the White Sox / A's today and they showed that the top five best ERAs among AL starters since April 26th are Cole, Morton, Fiers, Verlander, Miley.
What's the deal with Fiers? Seems Oakland fixed him as much as we fixed those other guys.
If Fiers hadn't had a godawful first month or so, and pitched like he has all year, all year, he would legitimately be in the Cy Young conversation.
I have no idea what happened (i.e. did they tell him to change anything?), but I'm happy for the guy. He pitched his ass off for about 2 months in '17 and really saved the pitching staff.
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If Fiers hadn't had a godawful first month or so, and pitched like he has all year, all year, he would legitimately be in the Cy Young conversation.
I have no idea what happened (i.e. did they tell him to change anything?), but I'm happy for the guy. He pitched his ass off for about 2 months in '17 and really saved the pitching staff.
Definitely an underrated contribution to that season.
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If Fiers hadn't had a godawful first month or so, and pitched like he has all year, all year, he would legitimately be in the Cy Young conversation.
I have no idea what happened (i.e. did they tell him to change anything?), but I'm happy for the guy. He pitched his ass off for about 2 months in '17 and really saved the pitching staff.
Good for Mike!
On a slow day, could a player that graciously "gave up" their place on the roster for an ex-Astros count? If so, then new Cubbie Lucroy had a 3 for 5 day - a 2B and 2 RBI - to go w/ 2 catcher interference calls. (Kemp did not play.)
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Good for Mike!
On a slow day, could a player that graciously "gave up" their place on the roster for an ex-Astros count? If so, then new Cubbie Lucroy had a 3 for 5 day - a 2B and 2 RBI - to go w/ 2 catcher interference calls. (Kemp did not play.)
WTF?
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WTF?
It's a stretch, I know....
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It's a stretch, I know....
Nonsensical. Lucroy is not an ex-Astro.
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It's a stretch, I know....
Stretch????? Surely, you jest.
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Stretch????? Surely, you jest.
Absolutely!
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He's talking about Stassi I think.
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He's talking about Stassi I think.
Whoa. Ok.
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He's talking about Stassi I think.
TY, Chuck. I am sometimes hard to follow.
Apparently Luhnow knew the Angels were looking to replace Lucroy, making a potential landing spot for Stassi and a reward in the form of two prospects. It was something when nothing seemed likely for a player that the Astros had DFA - Luhnow's magic on a smaller scale.
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WTF?
Sorry, JimR, I should have mentioned Stassi as Lucroy's replacement.
It would have helped.
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Was watching the White Sox / A's today and they showed that the top five best ERAs among AL starters since April 26th are Cole, Morton, Fiers, Verlander, Miley.
What's the deal with Fiers? Seems Oakland fixed him as much as we fixed those other guys.
Fiers has had 19 straight starts where he has given up 3 runs or less. That is the longest such streak in the majors. In that time he’s averaged almost 7 innings per start and in 7 of those 19 games he gave up one run or less.
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TY, Chuck. I am sometimes hard to follow.
Apparently Luhnow knew the Angels were looking to replace Lucroy, making a potential landing spot for Stassi and a reward in the form of two prospects. It was something when nothing seemed likely for a player that the Astros had DFA - Luhnow's magic on a smaller scale.
I didn't know that I had to try to follow you. Are you capable of clearly articulating your points? If not, don't post it.
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I didn't know that I had to try to follow you. Are you capable of clearly articulating your points? If not, don't post it.
Understand. Will work on it.
TY
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TY, Chuck. I am sometimes hard to follow.
Apparently Luhnow knew the Angels were looking to replace Lucroy, making a potential landing spot for Stassi and a reward in the form of two prospects. It was something when nothing seemed likely for a player that the Astros had DFA - Luhnow's magic on a smaller scale.
“Apparently, Luhnow knew....”
Do you know he knew Lucroy was about to go? Do you know LAA did not approach him first? Do you know LAA was only one of many calls Luhnow made trying to trade Stassi? I totally agree Luhnow got two somethings for nothing, but did Luhnow know about Lucroy or was he surprised if/when LAA told him Lucroy was headed to DFA?
I have known chuck is smarter than I all along, but this episode proves it. I could not have followed your post to Stassi in a million tries. I am going to go back and read it again.
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Boy! I get it! It is so frustrating to try to understand someone who thinks, constructs sentences with undefined pronouns, sometimes does not even complete sentences, and regularly talks in ways I don't understand. Very aggravating! I feel stupid b/c I don't understand! Don't like feeling stupid!
One big difference b/t that situation and OWA posts is that I can't ignore them. Communication keeps a relationship alive. I have to listen and ask questions until I do understand b/c I have to "follow" her. For some reason, my questions aggravate her. It's been a challenge we have both faced for almost 50 years. (It is a challenge that someone new and different brings to a group like OWA that has known each other very well for more than a decade.)
“Apparently, Luhnow knew....”
Do you know he knew Lucroy was about to go? Do you know LAA did not approach him first? Do you know LAA was only one of many calls Luhnow made trying to trade Stassi? I totally agree Luhnow got two somethings for nothing, but did Luhnow know about Lucroy or was he surprised if/when LAA told him Lucroy was headed to DFA?
I have known chuck is smarter than I all along, but this episode proves it. I could not have followed your post to Stassi in a million tries. I am going to go back and read it again.
Of course not. I thot that "apparently" make it clear that I did not know. Great questions! Who knows any of that?
It would not be a stretch to view at least some OWA posts as being based on assumptions, certainly mine. It's fun to guess. Some are more convincing than others and some are based more on knowledge than cogitation. Sometimes the excitement of the trading deadline may generate so many guesses that the server breaks down from all the hot wind. But that's part of the fun - and the challenge for Waldo.
Unless I link to a source to someone that actually "knows" - or at least convinces me that they "really" know - most of the time I am guessing (too) about the game and team we love so much. That's the only thing I know: I share the love for baseball and the Astros and am thankful for MLBTV and this site. I wonder about a lot of things...
It was a boring off day, not much to talk about, especially on this thread after the trade deadline cause there are not going to be many more ex-Astros for a while. My post was an attempt to inject a little humor (& action) by expanding the topic from just including ex-Astros to including the players that were released, traded, etc. to make a place for our guys. It did not work. I should have made it more clear by referencing Stassi, but thot/hoped that mentioning Lucroy's move to the Cubbies would be enuf. Another assumption. Usually when that happens, there are crickets. Appreciate the feedback, JimR, Mr. Happy, and Coach Chuck.
I hate having to explain my jokes, but it happens sometimes. It's a constant reminder that I have work to do.
PS: JimR, I appreciate the effort of taking a 2nd read of the post!
Edit: correction changed Coach to Chuck. - thanks JimR.
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Boy! I get it! It is so frustrating to try to understand someone who thinks, constructs sentences with undefined pronouns, sometimes does not even complete sentences, and regularly talks in ways I don't understand. Very aggravating! I feel stupid b/c I don't understand! Don't like feeling stupid!
One big difference b/t that situation and OWA posts is that I can't ignore them. Communication keeps a relationship alive. I have to listen and ask questions until I do understand b/c I have to "follow" her. For some reason, my questions aggravate her. It's been a challenge we have both faced for almost 50 years. (It is a challenge that someone new and different brings to a group like OWA that has known each other very well for more than a decade.)
Of course not. I thot that "apparently" make it clear that I did not know. Great questions! Who knows any of that?
It would not be a stretch to view at least some OWA posts as being based on assumptions, certainly mine. It's fun to guess. Some are more convincing than others and some are based more on knowledge than cogitation. Sometimes the excitement of the trading deadline may generate so many guesses that the server breaks down from all the hot wind. But that's part of the fun - and the challenge for Waldo.
Unless I link to a source to someone that actually "knows" - or at least convinces me that they "really" know - most of the time I am guessing (too) about the game and team we love so much. That's the only thing I know: I share the love for baseball and the Astros and am thankful for MLBTV and this site. I wonder about a lot of things...
It was a boring off day, not much to talk about, especially on this thread after the trade deadline cause there are not going to be many more ex-Astros for a while. My post was an attempt to inject a little humor (& action) by expanding the topic from just including ex-Astros to including the players that were released, traded, etc. to make a place for our guys. It did not work. I should have made it more clear by referencing Stassi, but thot/hoped that mentioning Lucroy's move to the Cubbies would be enuf. Another assumption. Usually when that happens, there are crickets. Appreciate the feedback, JimR, Mr. Happy, and Coach.
I hate having to explain my jokes, but it happens sometimes. It's a constant reminder that I have work to do.
PS: JimR, I appreciate the effort of taking a 2nd read of the post!
To a lot of folks in my life, Jim R. is Coach. Maybe there is another one around here. Dunno.
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Paul Sandoval (from the Maldonado trade) had a great debut (https://halohangout.com/2019/08/05/la-angels-may-quite-find-patrick-sandoval-strong-debut/) on Monday. He pulled a Sneed, eating 5 innings w/ 90 pitches - giving up no HR's - in a loss!
Well done!
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To a lot of folks in my life, Jim R. is Coach. Maybe there is another one around here. Dunno.
TY, JimR. Should have thanked Chuck, rather than Coach, for the feedback.
My bad. (Correction has been made.)
Sorry, Chuck; TY, JimR.
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Paul Sandoval (from the Maldonado trade) had a great debut (https://halohangout.com/2019/08/05/la-angels-may-quite-find-patrick-sandoval-strong-debut/) on Monday. He pulled a Sneed, eating 5 innings w/ 90 pitches - giving up no HR's - in a loss!
Well done!
Patrick, and that LAA trade was in 2018. Kemp to the Cubs in 2019 for Maldonado.
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To a lot of folks in my life, Jim R. is Coach. Maybe there is another one around here. Dunno.
I never had the privilege of playing for you, but over the past over 20 years, you've become Coach to me. Of course, my coaches are now deceased. But I've learned more baseball here than I learned from any coach I had (including a former big league pitcher), by a factor of 10 at least.
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Patrick, and that LAA trade was in 2018. Kemp to the Cubs in 2019 for Maldonado.
TY for your correction and patience, JimR.
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I don't know how smart I am but I do seem to have a certain facility with the chaotic.
Comes in right handy if you happen to have a five year old running loose around your house.
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I don't know how smart I am but I do seem to have a certain facility with the chaotic.
Comes in right handy if you happen to have a five year old running loose around your house.
That's a huge gift, Chuck.
Life makes it hard to focus at times - most of the time - and it's easy to miss what is really important. Only one of our grand kids is under five, They grow up really fast and will soon reach the point at which they no longer want much of our attention. I have to remind myself that while it is easier to type on a computer keyboard than to listen to and play with them, it may not be as rewarding in the long run. Some of our grand kids call to have us come and play with them. That's a huge gift also. I know they can wear you out, enjoy them while you can. (We have a bag of games in the back of our van, just in case.)
TY for taking the time to read and explain my cryptic post.
Snuff
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I never had the privilege of playing for you, but over the past over 20 years, you've become Coach to me. Of course, my coaches are now deceased. But I've learned more baseball here than I learned from any coach I had (including a former big league pitcher), by a factor of 10 at least.
Nice words. Thanks, to the extent I have contributed to your knowledge.
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That's a huge gift, Chuck.
Life makes it hard to focus at times - most of the time - and it's easy to miss what is really important. Only one of our grand kids is under five, They grow up really fast and will soon reach the point at which they no longer want much of our attention. I have to remind myself that while it is easier to type on a computer keyboard than to listen to and play with them, it may not be as rewarding in the long run. Some of our grand kids call to have us come and play with them. That's a huge gift also. I know they can wear you out, enjoy them while you can. (We have a bag of games in the back of our van, just in case.)
TY for taking the time to read and explain my cryptic post.
Snuff
Snuff-you really seem like a great dude. Don't try so hard. You're fine. You're right; you're blessed with your family.
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Snuff-you really seem like a great dude. Don't try so hard. You're fine. You're right; you're blessed with your family.
Good advice from Happy, Snuffy. Relax. This place can be tough at times, but welcomes knowledgeable Astros fans. You seem to be one.
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I am amazed at the traded Astros guys who are in MLB rotations, in just the last two days these former Astros made a start:
V. Velasquez - Phillies
Adrian Houser - Brewers
Joe Musgrove - Pirates
Folty - Braves
Lyles - Brewers
This is not counting the FA, released, etc... or relievers.
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I am amazed at the traded Astros guys who are in MLB rotations, in just the last two days these former Astros made a start:
V. Velasquez - Phillies
Adrian Houser - Brewers
Joe Musgrove - Pirates
Folty - Braves
Lyles - Brewers
This is not counting the FA, released, etc... or relievers.
Wojo today.
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Wojo today.
And Trent Thornton today for the Jays
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Definitely an underrated contribution to that season.
He was the 2017 team leader in games started.
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By my calculations the Astros have had 17 starts this year from pitchers in which they originally signed.
Armenteros and James 1 ea.
Valdez, Martin and Urquidy 5 ea.
assuming the Astros are the original signing team on each.
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By my calculations the Astros have had 17 starts this year from pitchers in which they originally signed.
Armenteros and James 1 ea.
Valdez, Martin and Urquidy 5 ea.
assuming the Astros are the original signing team on each.
and?
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Good advice from Happy, Snuffy. Relax. This place can be tough at times, but welcomes knowledgeable Astros fans. You seem to be one.
Snuffy needs to trust his stuff
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Josh Rojas already called up by DBacks
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Josh Rojas already called up by DBacks
That probably would not have happened here. Hope he does well.
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That probably would not have happened here. Hope he does well.
Good for him. He can play.
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Paulino cleared waivers:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-pitcher-david-paulino-clears-release-waivers/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-pitcher-david-paulino-clears-release-waivers/)
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Snuffy needs to trust his stuff
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Thanks, MusicMan, JimR, and Happy,
I need to remember OWA is a family; to post only when rested & it has been proof read; and not to pretend I have a blazing fastball....
If I go geezer and start talking about my family, shoot me.
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Josh Rojas already called up by DBacks
A great debut (https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-rojas-makes-mlb-debut-for-d-backs)!
Didn't know he was an Arizona native.
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Thanks, MusicMan, JimR, and Happy,
I need to remember OWA is a family; to post only when rested & it has been proof read; and not to pretend I have a blazing fastball....
If I go geezer and start talking about my family, shoot me.
Actually, the good family story that involves a baseball or Astros connection is welcomed on my end.
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Actually, the good family story that involves a baseball or Astros connection is welcomed on my end.
Gotcha.
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White on the injured list after going 1-22 with the Dodgers.
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White on the injured list after going 1-22 with the Dodgers.
Hate that! 10-day IL (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/dodgers-tyler-white-heads-to-il/) Wonder if his right Trapezius Strain (https://www.healthline.com/health/trapezius-strain) could explain some of his struggles at the plate. Did Bregman's HBP get part of his trap?.
White's replacement, Kyle Garlick (https://www.dailynews.com/2019/06/12/kyle-garlicks-long-route-home-finally-ends-with-a-major-league-locker/), has a story that is similar to White's. Good stuff - a 28th round pick as a college senior w/ a $1K signing bonus.
Leaves me wanting to pull for both of them, but the ex-Astro 1st.
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Hate that! 10-day IL (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/dodgers-tyler-white-heads-to-il/) Wonder if his right Trapezius Strain (https://www.healthline.com/health/trapezius-strain) could explain some of his struggles at the plate. Did Bregman's HBP get part of his trap?.
White's replacement, Kyle Garlick (https://www.dailynews.com/2019/06/12/kyle-garlicks-long-route-home-finally-ends-with-a-major-league-locker/), has a story that is similar to White's. Good stuff - a 28th round pick as a college senior w/ a $1K signing bonus.
Leaves me wanting to pull for both of them, but the ex-Astro 1st.
Why the f are you concerned about this? We have problems enough of our own.
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Hey, maybe step it down a notch?
People are allowed to care about shit other than the 25 man roster.
There are several posters posting dumber shit than this that don't get roasted repeatedly. Dude loves baseball. That's not a bad thing.
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Hey, maybe step it down a notch?
People are allowed to care about shit other than the 25 man roster.
There are several posters posting dumber shit than this that don't get roasted repeatedly. Dude loves baseball. That's not a bad thing.
Duly noted. Sorry, Snuff. Not your fault. Mine.
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Why the f are you concerned about this? We have problems enough of our own.
(Added later) No worries, JimR, and no doubt that you know and love this game and the Stros.
Baseball finds a way to keep us all humble. Balls & strikes are currently being called by human beings. It is easy to forget that the game is played by human beings also, including some with crying one-year-olds (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/11/10/kate-upton-justin-verlander-first-child-genevive/1963776002/) at home.
They are not robots and, like us, screw up at times. No one bats 1.000 or just throws strikes. There will be more losses and may be more injuries, who knows. Thinned by recent trades, the depth of the organization will be tested. I well remember the thrill of beating a team that either just won the WS or was heading toward being in the next one. Those wins felt like playoff wins, b/c that was the closest we thot we would ever get to seeing the team get to the WS, much less win it all.
It's fun seeing long shots like White and Garlick make the show, and even seeing Nova (https://www.mlb.com/news/ivan-nova-throws-complete-game-vs-astros) continue his run of great pitching w/ a CG win against the good guys! You have to appreciate a well-pitched game, just like a great play in the OF, w/ a tip of the hat. Hope you can chill a bit and enjoy some of the "rest of the story" behind the games. It's a LONG season.
I believe there's another game today. JimR, let's hang on and see what happens....
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(Added later) No worries, JimR, and no doubt that you know and love this game and the Stros.
Baseball finds a way to keep us all humble. Balls & strikes are currently being called by human beings. It is easy to forget that the game is played by human beings also, including some with crying one-year-olds (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/11/10/kate-upton-justin-verlander-first-child-genevive/1963776002/) at home.
They are not robots and, like us, screw up at times. No one bats 1.000 or just throws strikes. There will be more losses and may be more injuries, who knows. Thinned by recent trades, the depth of the organization will be tested. I well remember the thrill of beating a team that either just won the WS or was heading toward being in the next one. Those wins felt like playoff wins, b/c that was the closest we thot we would ever get to seeing the team get to the WS, much less win it all.
It's fun seeing long shots like White and Garlick make the show, and even seeing Nova (https://www.mlb.com/news/ivan-nova-throws-complete-game-vs-astros) continue his run of great pitching w/ a CG win against the good guys! You have to appreciate a well-pitched game, just like a great play in the OF, w/ a tip of the hat. Hope you can chill a bit and enjoy some of the "rest of the story" behind the games. It's a LONG season.
I believe there's another game today. JimR, let's hang on and see what happens....
Snuffy, I have been involved in baseball since I was 8 years old. If you believe my parents, my dad started rolling a baseball to me when I was 1. I certainly know this is a long season and there always is another game. I apologized for snapping at you but not for the way I feel about players no longer on the Astros. I wish them no harm, but I know longer root for them.
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Snuffy, I have been involved in baseball since I was 8 years old. If you believe my parents, my dad started rolling a baseball to me when I was 1. I certainly know this is a long season and there always is another game. I apologized for snapping at you but not for the way I feel about players no longer on the Astros. I wish them no harm, but I know longer root for them.
Luv ya, JimR. Not trying to convert you, just want you to survive this season and many more....
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Luv ya, JimR. Not trying to convert you, just want you to survive this season and many more....
Survive this season? Oh, my.
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Survive this season? Oh, my.
Good!
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Survive this season? Oh, my.
2013 says hi.
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2013 says hi.
Yeah, his comment was pretty funny. The early days in the ‘60s say hi also.
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Yeah, his comment was pretty funny. The early days in the ‘60s say hi also.
The early days never got long to me since I was 10ish and in Little League and couldn't get but one ML baseball game a week on tv...usually the Yankees of course. I listened to every Colt .45 game I could on the radio. We got a Sunday game on the tube when they were on the road so about two televised games a month.
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The early days never got long to me since I was 10ish and in Little League and couldn't get but one ML baseball game a week on tv...usually the Yankees of course. I listened to every Colt .45 game I could on the radio. We got a Sunday game on the tube when they were on the road so about two televised games a month.
I switched from the Pirates to the Astros immediately, but I do not remember when Houston baseball became available on the radio. Soon after though because I listened to Gene Elston and Lowell Passé (ugh) nightly. I also read box scores religiously in those day. Baseball season of 1962 I was 16 and would be 17 in September. My HS senior year was ‘62-‘63.
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I switched from the Pirates to the Astros immediately, but I do not remember when Houston baseball became available on the radio. Soon after though because I listened to Gene Elston and Lowell Passé (ugh) nightly. I also read box scores religiously in those day. Baseball season of 1962 I was 16 and would be 17 in September. My HS senior year was ‘62-‘63.
Yea, Lowell was a trip. How did you get interested in the Buccos?
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Yea, Lowell was a trip. How did you get interested in the Buccos?
I was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a kid, but when they went to LA, I dropped them. That year was Elroy Face’s 18-1 year, and I started following them because of him. In 1960, I was with them from the first pitch of ST to Mazeroski’s homer to win the WS. That 1960 Pirates team was my all time favorite team until 2017.
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I was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a kid, but when they went to LA, I dropped them. That year was Elroy Face’s 18-1 year, and I started following them because of him. In 1960, I was with them from the first pitch of ST to Mazeroski’s homer to win the WS. That 1960 Pirates team was my all time favorite team until 2017.
Have you read Kiss It Goodbye by John Moody? It is about the '60 WS from the perspective of a Pirate fan who was six years old in 1960. It has a little bit of a Vern Law focus but is a great narrative of that team, those players and the bond that formed between father and son through baseball. If I could go back in time and see a game from some of the old ballparks that are no longer around, Forbes Field would be on my list.
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Have you read Kiss It Goodbye by John Moody? It is about the '60 WS from the perspective of a Pirate fan who was six years old in 1960. It has a little bit of a Vern Law focus but is a great narrative of that team, those players and the bond that formed between father and son through baseball. If I could go back in time and see a game from some of the old ballparks that are no longer around, Forbes Field would be on my list.
Yep, that one and several others about the 1960 Pirates.
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....There are several posters posting dumber shit than this that don't get roasted repeatedly. Dude loves baseball. That's not a bad thing.
TY, MRAUP.
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TY, MRAUP.
Call me Mark. And you're welcome. Pitter patter.
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I was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a kid, but when they went to LA, I dropped them. That year was Elroy Face’s 18-1 year, and I started following them because of him. In 1960, I was with them from the first pitch of ST to Mazeroski’s homer to win the WS. That 1960 Pirates team was my all time favorite team until 2017.
Similar story here (except the Dodgers part). I loved the Pirates and that 1960 team was the greatest. Saw them in ST the next year. Mazeroski & Groat (assist from my dad) taught me how to watch and appreciate infield play. And Elroy Face was one of my favorites.
My other team was the Tigers though, and 1968 was magical. The back and forth continued ... 1979; 1984. I had always followed the Colts/Astros too (expansion was a novelty to a 12 year old), but it was only the late 70’s when I came back from Germany that they began to be “my team”. Then as I traveled and began collecting MiLB ballparks I became a confirmed bus rider. Even now I would choose a road trip to Corpus over one to Minute Maid ... at least until the last month or so of the season.
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Similar story here (except the Dodgers part). I loved the Pirates and that 1960 team was the greatest. Saw them in ST the next year. Mazeroski & Groat (assist from my dad) taught me how to watch and appreciate infield play. And Elroy Face was one of my favorites.
My other team was the Tigers though, and 1968 was magical. The back and forth continued ... 1979; 1984. I had always followed the Colts/Astros too (expansion was a novelty to a 12 year old), but it was only the late 70’s when I came back from Germany that they began to be “my team”. Then as I traveled and began collecting MiLB ballparks I became a confirmed bus rider. Even now I would choose a road trip to Corpus over one to Minute Maid ... at least until the last month or so of the season.
The Tigers were my dad’s favorite team. They tried to sign him out of HS, but he said no and came to UT ( and met my mother). He rooted for them after that.
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The Tigers were my dad’s favorite team. They tried to sign him out of HS, but he said no and came to UT ( and met my mother). He rooted for them after that.
My dad was a Tiger fan too before MLB came to Texas. Not sure why as he had no roots there. He pulled for the Lions in football, too, before Texas had an NFL franchise. I understand that, in that day, Detroit was actually quite an urban Promiseland of culture and refinement with the American auto industry a its' zenith.
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Have you read Kiss It Goodbye by John Moody? It is about the '60 WS from the perspective of a Pirate fan who was six years old in 1960. It has a little bit of a Vern Law focus but is a great narrative of that team, those players and the bond that formed between father and son through baseball. If I could go back in time and see a game from some of the old ballparks that are no longer around, Forbes Field would be on my list.
My family lived in Butler, PA (not far from Pittsburgh) for a couple of years in the mid-60's. I saw several games at Forbes Field, including seeing Eddie Mathews hit a tape-measure home run for the Astros. Watching Clemente in his prime was a treat. So was listening to Bob Prince do games on KDKA. I vaguely recall him having some sort of lucky charm called the Green Weenie.
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My family lived in Butler, PA (not far from Pittsburgh) for a couple of years in the mid-60's. I saw several games at Forbes Field, including seeing Eddie Mathews hit a tape-measure home run for the Astros. Watching Clemente in his prime was a treat. So was listening to Bob Prince do games on KDKA. I vaguely recall him having some sort of lucky charm called the Green Weenie.
Prince was the Astros pbp guy for one season. I loved him, but apparently management did not. He told non-stop stories during the broadcasts and sometimes the stories overran his duty to call the game.
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My dad was a Tiger fan too before MLB came to Texas. Not sure why as he had no roots there. He pulled for the Lions in football, too, before Texas had an NFL franchise. I understand that, in that day, Detroit was actually quite an urban Promiseland of culture and refinement with the American auto industry a its' zenith.
My family were Tigers fans too, because they all lived in and around Lakeland, FL, where the Tigers trained. Back then, a lot of folks rooted for the team that trained in their local area, as there were no MLB teams in FL, and the closest MLB team was probably Washington, DC. In 1966 when the Braves moved to Atlanta, many became regional Braves fans. I was a Braves fan because that's who we got on radio mostly. The Reds trained in Tampa when I was growing up, and the local Tampa Tarpons were a Reds minor league affiliate. Lots of Reds fans then, especially considering it was the Big Red Machine days, and it was easy to root for a winner.
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Prince was the Astros pbp guy for one season. I loved him, but apparently management did not. He told non-stop stories during the broadcasts and sometimes the stories overran his duty to call the game.
Prince came to Houston after being fired by the Pirates in 1975. In Pittsburgh, he was replaced by... Milo Hamilton.
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Wanna say I'm enjoying the stories about who some of y'all rooted for before the Stros!
I deliver meals on wheels to a 92 year old that loves talking baseball. I'd read the book he wrote...if he ever wrote down these incredible stories.
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Wanna say I'm enjoying the stories about who some of y'all rooted for before the Stros!
I deliver meals on wheels to a 92 year old that loves talking baseball. I'd read the book he wrote...if he ever wrote down these incredible stories.
I salute you for your Meals On Wheels service. I should do something like that.
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I think that the Lions were followed by many in Texas because of Bobby Layne and Doak Walker.
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I think that the Lions were followed by many in Texas because of Bobby Layne and Doak Walker.
Yes, I think that is correct. And Yale Lary played at TxA&M and my dad liked him.
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My dad was a Cards fan because that's who they could get on the radio in the 40/50's Hill Country. Then the move to Houston happened in '72 and the rest is history.
At least it wasn't the Cubs.
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I've only rooted for the Astros/Colt 45s. I guess I was 6 their first season. Too young to have rooted for anyone else.
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Brett Phillips gets the call from KC. Billy Hamilton released.
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Brett Phillips gets the call from KC. Billy Hamilton released.
Good for him. I enjoyed his time in the .org.
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Fisher hit his 4th HR - 2 RBI - today in a Blue Jay win. He has 11 RBI.
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I switched from the Pirates to the Astros immediately, but I do not remember when Houston baseball became available on the radio. Soon after though because I listened to Gene Elston and Lowell Passé (ugh) nightly. I also read box scores religiously in those day. Baseball season of 1962 I was 16 and would be 17 in September. My HS senior year was ‘62-‘63.
I loved Lowell Passe'. He was the ultimate homer.
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i have very fond memories of the the Colt .45's and Astros' early broadcasts and Loel was part of that. Maybe a lot had to do with personal circumstances. Lowell was not so much a color commentator as he was an ad reader that was a Houston baseball fan. He provided little (if any) insight into the game but he was always cheerful and always an optimist. His stock phrases (a bloop and a blast, now you chunkin, he breezed him one more time) made the broadcasts comfortable and familiar. His enthusiasm balanced Elston's measured, professional manner. Nothing better than a Lovera and a Falstaff.
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i have very fond memories of the the Colt .45's and Astros' early broadcasts and Loel was part of that. Maybe a lot had to do with personal circumstances. Lowell was not so much a color commentator as he was an ad reader that was a Houston baseball fan. He provided little (if any) insight into the game but he was always cheerful and always an optimist. His stock phrases (a bloop and a blast, now you chunkin, he breezed him one more time) made the broadcasts comfortable and familiar. His enthusiasm balanced Elston's measured, professional manner. Nothing better than a Lovera and a Falstaff.
I could not stand Lowell. I thought he was bush league.
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I could not stand Lowell. I thought he was bush league.
Wasn't that a perfect fit w/ the Colt .45's?
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Wasn't that a perfect fit w/ the Colt .45's?
Absolutely not.
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Bobby Shantz, Nellie Fox, Don Larsen, Joe Morgan, Rusty Staub and a few dozen other first class pros never played on a bush league team.
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Bobby Shantz, Nellie Fox, Don Larsen, Joe Morgan, Rusty Staub and a few dozen other first class pros never played on a bush league team.
Exactly right. That was a big league team.
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Wasn't that a perfect fit w/ the Colt .45's?
Don’t broadcast your age.
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Passe had been the AAA Houston Buffs announcer for a while and the city's baseball fans were familiar with him. He was a folksy homer and a bit silly but I didn't think he sucked. However, I was just a kid. I also remember people complained about Dizzy Dean too for being too folksy as well.
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Passe had been the AAA Houston Buffs announcer for a while and the city's baseball fans were familiar with him. He was a folksy homer and a bit silly but I didn't think he sucked. However, I was just a kid. I also remember people complained about Dizzy Dean too for being too folksy as well.
No. People complained about Dean’s grammar. Passé was not big league in any way. Elston was. The contrast was vivid. I know Passé got the job because of the connection to the Buffs, but for me, he was 100% minor league.
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I asked cause I didn't know if they were "bush". Certainly the expansion teams were not loaded with many treasures that the "real" teams wanted to protect. Your list led to a little trip down memory lane....
Bobby Shantz, Nellie Fox, Don Larsen, Joe Morgan, Rusty Staub and a few dozen other first class pros never played on a bush league team.
The others were great players in their prime (or a few years later) - including home grown Morgan (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-08-05-9003060053-story.html) (1964) & Staub (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/rusty-staub-beloved-mets-icon-dead-73-article-1.3902929) (1965), but only Shantz (https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/22649411) played on the 1962 "original (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1962&t=HO1)" Colt .45s.
I remember thinking the .45s were certainly going to win the WS after Mejias (http://davidkrell.com/uncategorized/lone-star-years-roman-mejias/) hit not one, but two Alvarez's (3-run HR) in whopping the Cubs on opening day and sweeping the three-game series! Didn't know about the Cubs were/would be known as the Cubbies.
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Don’t broadcast your age.
Saw that.
I could be a history buff. Regardless, I'm on the sunny side of the grass, so far....
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No. People complained about Dean’s grammar. Passé was not big league in any way. Elston was. The contrast was vivid. I know Passé got the job because of the connection to the Buffs, but for me, he was 100% minor league.
Dean used to sing The Wabash Cannonball on the television broadcasts during games. He was a clown, too. But he was likeable.
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Interesting story! It's a comeback for speedster Anthony Gose (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=543238#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL), this time as a pitcher finally using his 100 mph fastball. This 2017 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718676-former-speed-demon-of-anthony-gose-could-ride-100-mph-fastball-back-to-majors) article tells the story about Gose telling teams not to try to make him a pitcher for almost a decade b/f making the transition.
He is barely an "ex-Astro". Gose was on the Round Rock roster briefly twice - as a hitter during 2010 as part of the Roy Oswalt trade (https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/3/3/11144606/roy-oswalt-philadelphia-phillies-houston-astros-trade-retrospective) to the Phillies (he was then flipped to Toronto for Brett Wallace) and during 2018 when he was claimed on waivers as a LHP b/f being returned to the Rangers. (The 1st link provides his transaction history.)
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Interesting story! It's a comeback for speedster Anthony Gose (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=543238#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL), this time as a pitcher finally using his 100 mph fastball. This 2017 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718676-former-speed-demon-of-anthony-gose-could-ride-100-mph-fastball-back-to-majors) article tells the story about Gose telling teams not to try to make him a pitcher for almost a decade b/f making the transition.
He is barely an "ex-Astro". Gose was on the Round Rock roster briefly twice - as a hitter during 2010 as part of the Roy Oswalt trade (https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/3/3/11144606/roy-oswalt-philadelphia-phillies-houston-astros-trade-retrospective) to the Phillies (he was then flipped to Toronto for Brett Wallace) and during 2018 when he was claimed on waivers as a LHP b/f being returned to the Rangers. (The 1st link provides his transaction history.)
A few points:
He wasn't claimed on waivers in 2018. He was drafted by the Astros in the rule 5 draft in 2017 and early in spring training he was placed on waivers by the Astros.
Gose was only an Astro for part of one spring training. He made one very bad outing and was sent back to the Rangers per rule 5 draft rules. He was never on the 25 man roster or Astro minor league regular season roster of any kind. His Baseball reference minor league stats confirm this. Being flipped to the Blue Jays on the same day meant he wasn't on a roster for those few seconds or minutes between the transactions.
Just a reminder for us all - This thread is primarily for Ex Astros - guys who played regular season/post season games for the Astros. For guys who were in the minors, there is a separate thread in the bus ride for Ex Bus Riders News 2019 (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120640.0). With as closely as we have all followed the minors during the rebuilding years, we get them confused sometimes.
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Just a reminder for us all - This thread is primarily for Ex Astros - guys who played regular season/post season games for the Astros. For guys who were in the minors, there is a separate thread in the bus ride for Ex Bus Riders News 2019 (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120640.0). With as closely as we have all followed the minors during the rebuilding years, we get them confused sometimes.
What about guys that were signed as NRI's and invited to spring training but did not make the team and retired? Asking for a friend...
(Really, I'm asking for me but I have a friend here at work that fits that same exact description)
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A few points:
He wasn't claimed on waivers in 2018. He was drafted by the Astros in the rule 5 draft in 2017 and early in spring training he was placed on waivers by the Astros.
Gose was only an Astro for part of one spring training. He made one very bad outing and was sent back to the Rangers per rule 5 draft rules. He was never on the 25 man roster or Astro minor league regular season roster of any kind. His Baseball reference minor league stats confirm this. Being flipped to the Blue Jays on the same day meant he wasn't on a roster for those few seconds or minutes between the transactions.
Just a reminder for us all - This thread is primarily for Ex Astros - guys who played regular season/post season games for the Astros. For guys who were in the minors, there is a separate thread in the bus ride for Ex Bus Riders News 2019 (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120640.0). With as closely as we have all followed the minors during the rebuilding years, we get them confused sometimes.
Thank you.
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What about guys that were signed as NRI's and invited to spring training but did not make the team and retired? Asking for a friend...
(Really, I'm asking for me but I have a friend here at work that fits that same exact description)
Looks like never on the roster to me.
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A few points:
He wasn't claimed on waivers in 2018. He was drafted by the Astros in the rule 5 draft in 2017 and early in spring training he was placed on waivers by the Astros.
Gose was only an Astro for part of one spring training. He made one very bad outing and was sent back to the Rangers per rule 5 draft rules. He was never on the 25 man roster or Astro minor league regular season roster of any kind. His Baseball reference minor league stats confirm this. Being flipped to the Blue Jays on the same day meant he wasn't on a roster for those few seconds or minutes between the transactions.
Just a reminder for us all - This thread is primarily for Ex Astros - guys who played regular season/post season games for the Astros. For guys who were in the minors, there is a separate thread in the bus ride for Ex Bus Riders News 2019 (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120640.0). With as closely as we have all followed the minors during the rebuilding years, we get them confused sometimes.
That helped! Much obliged, Duman!
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Per twitter
Octavio Dotel detained in the Dominican Republic as part of a larger drug trafficking and money laundering operation by authorities:
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Per twitter
Octavio Dotel detained in the Dominican Republic as part of a larger drug trafficking and money laundering operation by authorities:
https://thebiglead.com/2019/08/20/luis-castillo-octavio-dotel-arrested-dominican-republic-mlb/
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I assume he’ll be flipped by the authorities as part of a package for a bigger criminal.
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My first thought was maybe he'll end up getting charged by 12 other countries.
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My first thought was maybe he'll end up getting charged by 12 other countries.
He was set up, man
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He was set up, man
His defense is going to be 'It was only an eighth.'
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He was set up, man
Like a sitting duck.
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Like a sitting duck.
Lovely.
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Wagner’s gonna gave to come clean up another mess for him.
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Wagner’s gonna gave to come clean up another mess for him.
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Alternately, he's blaming it all on Lidge. He was just trying to help clean up Brad's mess to begin with.
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You wags are killing me tonight.
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J. D. Davis is beginning to contribute (https://www.mlb.com/news/jd-davis-making-most-of-opportunity-with-mets) for the Mets. He has doubled his combined RBI in two Houston stints. Good for him.
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J. D. Davis is beginning to contribute (https://www.mlb.com/news/jd-davis-making-most-of-opportunity-with-mets) for the Mets. He has doubled his combined RBI in two Houston stints. Good for him.
Seriously, dude. Who cares.
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Seriously, dude. Who cares.
Do you care about the success of your former players? Maybe his Mom will read it.
Besides...
1. There's a reason for the ex-Astros thread.
2. It reflects well on the quality of the farm system.
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Snuffleupagus has a point. Some players' mothers historically have read this forum.
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Seriously, dude. Who cares.
Jim, I really think that you ought to not click on this thread anymore.
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Jim, I really think that you ought to not click on this thread anymore.
You make a good point.
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Jim, I really think that you ought to not click on this thread anymore.
You want advice from me, Waldo?
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Snuffleupagus has a point. Some players' mothers historically have read this forum.
Again dude, It's Mr. Snuffleupagus to you.
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Again dude, It's Mr. Snuffleupagus to you.
Shit. Sorry.
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Do you care about the success of your former players? Maybe his Mom will read it.
Besides...
1. There's a reason for the ex-Astros thread.
2. It reflects well on the quality of the farm system.
In short, no. I do not care one bit. No harm will come to them I hope, but if they go 0 for forever, I do not care.
His mom? Nope, don’t care about her either.
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Shit. Sorry.
we're nothing if not consistent around here
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You want advice from me, Waldo?
I just find it bizarre that someone who does not care "one bit" about former Astros players jumps into a thread whose entire purpose is discussing former Astros players and shits on someone in it for caring about former Astros players.
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I just find it bizarre that someone who does not care "one bit" about former Astros players jumps into a thread whose entire purpose is discussing former Astros players and shits on someone in it for caring about former Astros players.
Reading comprehension. I do not care one bit about how they do, and you will not find me being sentimental or effusive about their current accomplishments. I read the thread the same as I do others; I am interested in transaction history and the “where are they now” aspect of the thread. I neither root for them nor against them, and I “do not care one bit” about current hitting or pitching statistics for another team.
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I do not care one bit about how they do, and you will not find me being sentimental or effusive about their current accomplishments.
Why shit on others that want to do that?
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Why shit on others that want to do that?
Good point. I’ll address it elsewhere.
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I hope all of our traded prospects do well because I imagine it sets a good track record for other GMs wanting prospects from us in the future.
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I hope all of our traded prospects do well because I imagine it sets a good track record for other GMs wanting prospects from us in the future.
Indeed!
Does this catch (https://www.mlb.com/video/davis-incredible-grab-in-left) and grin look "Berkman-ess"?
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Indeed!
Does this catch (https://www.mlb.com/video/davis-incredible-grab-in-left) and grin look "Berkman-ess"?
That looks like I would in left field.
Minus the part where he catches it.
And moves athletically.
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I hope all of our traded prospects do well because I imagine it sets a good track record for other GMs wanting prospects from us in the future.
Do you seriously think this is what other GMs look at when they evaluate prospects for a potential trade? How they did after the trade?
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Do you seriously think this is what other GMs look at when they evaluate prospects for a potential trade? How they did after the trade?
The Mets wouldn't deal with the Astros this past deadline for fear of being embarrassed.
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Do you seriously think this is what other GMs look at when they evaluate prospects for a potential trade? How they did after the trade?
Every club evaluates prospects differently, and I know there's no guarantee of future success, but how can it hurt if the ones we've traded away are actually successful?
You don't think that's a "feather in the cap" of the Houston system and development programs?
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Do you seriously think this is what other GMs look at when they evaluate prospects for a potential trade? How they did after the trade?
The media and fans do. While it shouldn't be their number one factor, it certainly impacts the media narrative around trades past and proposed. Might also be a factor in the discussion with the owner when trying to get approval for the next trade.
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Do you seriously think this is what other GMs look at when they evaluate prospects for a potential trade? How they did after the trade?
I think that modern front offices look at EVERYTHING. Obviously you aren't going to accept a pile of crap just because a few guys from one team do well but if you are looking to trade an established guy to a contender and say you're down to two teams. Let's say that the package from both teams is basically valued the same, but one team has a track record of being really good at developing players and the guys they trade tend to do well and the other team has a track record of guys heing traded and amounting to nothing. You might lean a bit toward the team who has been more consistent with development.
Not the main factor by any means but it should and I bet it does, play a small part in the formula
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There have some ex-Astros that I had grown fond of when they were here and I hope they do great, except when they play the Astros.
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There have some ex-Astros that I had grown fond of when they were here and I hope they do great, except when they play the Astros.
And then there's Carlos Gomez.
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And then there's Carlos Gomez.
Grrr...
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And then there's Carlos Gomez.
Exactly who I thought of in the hoping for continued failure category.
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Per twitter
Octavio Dotel detained in the Dominican Republic as part of a larger drug trafficking and money laundering operation by authorities:
Octavio Dotel, Luis Castillo cleared of wrongdoing in money laundering case (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/30/octavio-dotel-luis-castillo-cleared-of-wrongdoing-in-money-laundering-case/)
Yesterday, however, they were cleared, with Judge José Alejandro Vargas releasing Dotel and dropping charges against him and Castillo due to a lack of evidence. Dotel still has a weapons charge against him after the police discovered an allegedly illegal firearm while searching his home following his arrest. Dotel’s lawyer says he can establish that the weapon is legal, so that’ll probably go away too. Lawyer’s for Dotel and Castillo are demanding an apology from the prosecutors and police.
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Octavio Dotel, Luis Castillo cleared of wrongdoing in money laundering case (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/30/octavio-dotel-luis-castillo-cleared-of-wrongdoing-in-money-laundering-case/)
Yesterday, however, they were cleared, with Judge José Alejandro Vargas releasing Dotel and dropping charges against him and Castillo due to a lack of evidence. Dotel still has a weapons charge against him after the police discovered an allegedly illegal firearm while searching his home following his arrest. Dotel’s lawyer says he can establish that the weapon is legal, so that’ll probably go away too. Lawyer’s for Dotel and Castillo are demanding an apology from the prosecutors and police.
Good luck with that apology demand.
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So I guess the moral of this story is if you DO want to launder money, don't ask Dotel.
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So I guess the moral of this story is if you DO want to launder money, don't ask Dotel.
That's an outdated policy.
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That's an outdated policy.
NTTAWWT
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Josh Rojas hit his first mlb dinger last night to help the Dbacks beat the Dodgers.
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Josh Rojas hit his first mlb dinger last night to help the Dbacks beat the Dodgers.
Good for him. He was an unexpected star in RR.
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So I guess the moral of this story is if you DO want to launder money, don't ask Dotel.
Bravo
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Lots of great no-hitter history and videos on At Bat now. In the article on dominant no-hitters is video of Randy Johnson’s perfect game. Probably you noticed Luis Gonzalez (sp?) in LF, Steve Finley in CF, and, of course, Johnson on the mound. Did you also notice Alex Cintron playing SS?
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Lots of great no-hitter history and videos on At Bat now. In the article on dominant no-hitters is video of Randy Johnson’s perfect game. Probably you noticed Luis Gonzalez (sp?) in LF, Steve Finley in CF, and, of course, Johnson on the mound. Did you also notice Alex Cintron playing SS?
Also, Johnson's mound opponent that day was Mike Hampton, who threw a complete game loss for the Braves.
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Also, Johnson's mound opponent that day was Mike Hampton, who threw a complete game loss for the Braves.
Yep. Astros all over the place
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Tyler is done for the year:
"Los Angeles Dodgers transferred 1B Tyler White from the 10-day injured list to the 60-day injured list. Right trapezius strain."
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Self-flagellator nearly traded to Yankees:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/report-yankees-nearly-acquired-ken-giles-at-deadline.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/report-yankees-nearly-acquired-ken-giles-at-deadline.html)
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Self-flagellator nearly traded to Yankees:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/report-yankees-nearly-acquired-ken-giles-at-deadline.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/report-yankees-nearly-acquired-ken-giles-at-deadline.html)
Another reliever? How many do they need? Nine for each game?
Glad Giles was in Toronto to pitch to Toro.
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Another reliever? How many do they need? Nine for each game?
Glad Giles was in Toronto to pitch to Toro.
You can't spell Toronto without Toro.
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Colin Moran is screwed at the Thanksgiving table forever.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brian-moran-strikes-out-brother-colin-moran (https://www.mlb.com/news/brian-moran-strikes-out-brother-colin-moran)
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Colin Moran is screwed at the Thanksgiving table forever.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brian-moran-strikes-out-brother-colin-moran (https://www.mlb.com/news/brian-moran-strikes-out-brother-colin-moran)
Cool moment.
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Cool moment.
Especially since Brian Moran's contract had just been purchased.
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Especially since Brian Moran's contract had just been purchased.
In his 10th year in pro ball.
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Jandel Gustave with his first save for the Gints.
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Tim Bogar gets Jomboy'ed:
https://youtu.be/o6PTkucgjnA (https://youtu.be/o6PTkucgjnA)
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Last night Craig and Cavan Biggio joined Gary and Daryle Ward (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Like-father-like-son-Cavan-Biggio-hits-for-cycle-14449201.php) as the only father-son duos to hit for a cycle in major league history.
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Last night Craig and Cavan Biggio joined Gary and Daryle Ward (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Like-father-like-son-Cavan-Biggio-hits-for-cycle-14449201.php) as the only father-son duos to hit for a cycle in major league history.
More details found here (https://web.archive.org/web/20040610033644/http://www.darylewardsucks.com/cycle.html).
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Last night Craig and Cavan Biggio joined Gary and Daryle Ward (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Like-father-like-son-Cavan-Biggio-hits-for-cycle-14449201.php) as the only father-son duos to hit for a cycle in major league history.
I read that this morning and all I could think was "how on earth did Daryle Ward ever get a triple?"
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I read that this morning and all I could think was "how on earth did Daryle Ward ever get a triple?"
Evan Gattis had 10 in one season. Weird shit happens in baseball
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I read that this morning and all I could think was "how on earth did Daryle Ward ever get a triple?"
Wasn't that triple the impetus to the Jim Edmonds sexy bitch post?
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Wasn't that triple the impetus to the Jim Edmonds sexy bitch post?
I was maybe too subtle with my link.
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I was maybe too subtle with my link.
He is in Dublin. Maybe that’s why.