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General Discussion => Archive => Game Zone 2016 Archive => Topic started by: Mr. Happy on July 06, 2016, 03:28:22 pm
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Your lineups for tonight's tilt:
Sea Scum
CFLeonys Martin (L)
LFSeth Smith (L)
2BRobinson Cano (L)
RFNelson Cruz (R)
3BKyle Seager (L)
1BDae-Ho Lee (R)
DHAdam Lind (L)
CChris Iannetta (R)
SSKetel Marte (S)
SEA: Wade LeBlanc (L) (1-0, 1.50)
Astros
RF George Springer (R)
3B Luis Valbuena (L)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
SS Carlos Correa (R)
LF Colby Rasmus (L)
CF Carlos Gomez (R)
1B A.J. Reed (L)
DH Evan Gattis (R)
C Jason Castro (L)
HOU: Mike Fiers (R) (6-3, 4.12)
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T1:
Martin...full count...strikes out swinging
Smith lines out softly to 2B
Cano walks
Cruz strikes out swinging
No score
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B1:
Springer grounds out 5-3
Valbuena...3-0...3-1...3-2...walks
Altuve singles to LF, Valbuena to 2B
Correa bloops a rulebook double down the RF line....Valbuena scores, Altuve hast to stop at 3B...too bad as Altuve otherwise scores easily
Rasmus strikes out swinging
Gomez doubles off the LF wall...Altuve scores, Correa scores
Reed grounds out 3U
Astros grab a 3-0 lead
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Nice start.
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More with the fucking Orbit.
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The goddamn Rangers are getting clobbered 9-1 in the 4th.
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T2:
Seager strikes out looking
Lee grounds out 5-3
Lind...works the count full...grounds out 4-3
3-0 Astros
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CAVEMAN!!!
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B2:
Gattis homers to LF
Castro grounds out 4-3
Springer pops out F4
Valbuena flies out to deep LCF
4-0 Astros
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Oh good, more marketing chatter.
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Christi didn't seem to stick around long.
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Briana is the new promo lady.
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Christi didn't seem to stick around long.
I would imagine that one stint in the booth with Ashby would be enough.
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I still miss Yvette.
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The goddamn Rangers are getting clobbered 9-1 in the 4th.
11-1 now. Poor Rangers.
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T3:
Iannetta pops out F3
Marte with a bloop double into shallow RF
Martin strikes out looking
Smith grounds out 4-3...Altuve deep in shallow RF had him played perfectly
4-0 Astros
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Ok, it's only fair to point out that the shift turned a would-be single into an out there.
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I started to feel slightly more optimistic that the Astros might score some runs tonight once I learned that LeBlanc was one of the AA harlequin troupe the Astros gave starts to during one of the seasons that required brown out level of consumption for the viewership.
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Altuve is hitting .529 on Wednesdays. His OPS is 1.619.
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I still miss Yvette.
I realized recently that I have several mutual Facebook friends with Yvette.
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Gomez is going to nail the bat flap one of these days.
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Ok, it's only fair to point out that the shift turned a would-be single into an out there.
Not really the shift, Altuve was just really really deep.
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B3:
Altuve grounds out 5-3
Correa grounds to SS, Marte backhands it...throw it away...TE6
Rasmus strikes out swinging
Gomez triples off the CF wall...425 feet away...Correa scores
Reed grounds out 6-3
5-0 Astros
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I started to feel slightly more optimistic that the Astros might score some runs tonight once I learned that LeBlanc was one of the AA harlequin troupe the Astros gave starts to during one of the seasons that required brown out level of consumption for the viewership.
Wow, I must have been browned out, too. I don't remember him at all. But there it is at baseball-reference.com: 4 games in 2013, 6.1 IP, 9 H, 10 R, 5 ER, 5 BB (1 IBB), for a craptastic ERA+ of 60. That's really bad.
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Gomez is going to nail the bat flap one of these days.
He's been pretty out of practice.
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Fiers sucks
Springer didn't even move.
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Fiers now getting hammered...3 runs in on two dingers...still nobody out in the M's fourth...
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He's the Fierstarter, twisted Fierstarter
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Still no outs.
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Geez, will someone get Fiers the fuck off the field. Another home run makes it 5-4, still no outs
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Get Feldman up
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Fiers now getting hammered...34 runs in on two three dingers...still nobody out in the M's fourth...
Fiersed it for you.
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Fiers abhors a lead.
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Fiers done. Who doesn't think the Astros need a starter???
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If Fiers never pitched again for the Astros that would be fantastic.
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You can cut the negativity with a knife around here
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T4:
Cano homers to RF...takes a curtain call
Cruz walks
Seager homers to RF, Cruz scores
Lee homers to RF
Lind flies out F9
Iannetta hammers a single to LF
Finally Fiers is out...Devenski in
Marte grounds into 3-6-1 double play
Astros lead cut to 5-4
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I started to feel slightly more optimistic that the Astros might score some runs tonight once I learned that LeBlanc was one of the AA harlequin troupe the Astros gave starts to during one of the seasons that required brown out level of consumption for the viewership.
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I sure did not remember that.
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If Fiers never pitched again for the Astros that would be fantastic.
For some reason I feel like he is Chris Holt 2.0
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You can cut the negativity with a knife around here
Well, it's hard for me to feel real positive about Fiers. I realize he has spurts, but I don't see the repertoire needed for a playoff team.
Needs some runs here to arrest the flow.
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Up until that inning, Fiers had been on a decent roll as a 5th starter. Last time out throwing 6 shut out innings only allowing 4 base runners.
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Up until that inning, Fiers had been on a decent roll as a 5th starter. Last time out throwing 6 shut out innings only allowing 4 base runners.
When a 5th starter you are as good as your last start.
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When a 5th starter you are as good as your last start.
Wasn't aware the Astros had moved to Philly
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Martin's route efficiency there reminded me of jacoby jones trying to catch a Shaub wounded duck 34 yards down the field.
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For some reason I feel like he is Chris Holt 2.0
I don't think he's gutless. I think he just lacks talent.
To me Mark Appel was Holt 2.0.
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When a 5th starter you are as good as your last start.
We knew he was going to give up a pile of runs, but we hoped it wasn't going to happen until at least the 5th or 6th.
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Ashby, still thinking longingly of Julia, wherever she may be on her day off. Sigh.
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B4:
Gattis...3-0...pops out F2 right over the plate
Castro bounces a rulebook double off of Tal's Hill...another tough break as Castro would otherwise have an easy triple
That's all for LeBlanc...Karns in
Springer...3-0...3-1...3-2...walks
Valbuena grounds in to 4-6-3 double play
5-4 still
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I don't think he's gutless. I think he just lacks talent.
To me Mark Appel was Holt 2.0.
Maybe it is because they both pissed me off. Appel never made it to Houston so I won't use him in a comparison. Fiers just seems weak and maybe that is because he lacks talent.
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With a guy like Fiers you know the other team will be hacking away, you just hope they hit them at someone and not out of the park.
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Hated to see Castros double wasted.
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T5:
Martin strikes out swinging
Smith flies out F8
Cano doubles down RF line
Cruz grounds out 3-1
5-4 still
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Nice play by Reed there.
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B5:
Altuve grounds out 5-3
Correa pops out F4
Rasmus strikes out swinging
5-4 Astros
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T6:
Seager pops out F5
Lee...full count...grounds out 4-3
Lind pops out F2
5-4 still
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Gomez 3-3 on the day after a bunt single.
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Before tonight, Fiers was giving up a .344/.393/.578/.971 line while pitching with a lead.
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Before tonight, Fiers was giving up a .344/.393/.578/.971 line while pitching with a lead.
I can think of two recent occasions now, incl. tonight, in which he had to come out before 5 because he couldn't hold the lead.
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Watching the two baseball announcers stare at their phones during the inning is riveting television.
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I was impressed that Karns threw a fastball down the middle to correa on 2-0 and 2-1 after missing with two breaking balls, but then I realized that it's 2016 and all the pitchers watch game tape.
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B6:
Gomez with a bunt single, moves to 2B as Karns throws it in to RF
Reed singles to LF, Gomez to 3B
Gattis hits one down the 3B line...Seager picks it, tries to go home and throws it wild...Gomez scores, Reed to 3B...scored a FC and an TE5
Castro strikes out swinging
Springer singles to LF, Reed scores, Gattis to 2B
Wild pitch...Gattis to 3B, Springer to 2B
Valbuena...infield in...quickly 0-2...strikes out swinging
Altuve draws an intentional walk
Correa takes a fucking 2-1 meatball right down the center of the plate...then lines out to RF
7-4 Astros
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The stupid Rangers lost.
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Wouldn't mind seeing Devenski moved to the rotation and Hoyt called up.
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Wouldn't mind seeing Devenski moved to the rotation and Hoyt called up.
So you want to keep Feliz in the pen? They both are doing an outstanding job.
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So you want to keep Feliz in the pen? They both are doing an outstanding job.
I'm good with either, but I think I'd prefer Feliz in the pen for now.
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I'm good with either, but I think I'd prefer Feliz in the pen for now.
Well, hell.
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And we're tied at 7
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Bummer.
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Two dinky singles and a bomb. Fuck.
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Ugh
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T7:
Feliz in...
Iannetta strikes out looking
Marte singles to RF on an 0-2 pitch
Martin hits a tailor made double play ball right at SS, but the shift...single, Marte to 3B
Smith homers to LCF, Marte scores, Martin scores...and we're tied
Cano walks
Cruz strikes out swinging
Seager strikes out swinging
But the shift and 0-2 hits fuck the Astros...we're tied at 7...in the middle of seven
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Correa takes a fucking 2-1 meatball right down the center of the plate...then lines out to RF
And stands there nodding his head like he's Ensberg or something.
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Well, hell.
Nice one.
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Edwin Diaz, the M's Michael Feliz...
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B7:
Diaz in for the M's...
Rasmus grabs the Golden Sombrero...punches out for the fourth time tonight
Gomez grounds out 5-3
Reed...3-0...3-1...3-2...walks
Reed to 2B on a wild pitch
Gattis...full count...takes strike three with the winning run in scoring position
Still tied at 7
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T8:
Giles in
Lee grounds out 6-3
Lind strikes out swinging
Iannetta strikes out swinging
7-7
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So do you go with usual late inning pitching rotation here and hope they find a run in the 8th or 9th, and then go to Feldman if it goes to extras?
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Yes.
I have to say, wasn't that strike three to Gattis three inches outside?
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It must be a little unsettling to stand in against a guy who throws 100mph but doesn't really command it well.
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It's not so much that I hate pinch running foe Castro, it's more that I hate using Gattis as our DH.
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I still miss Yvette.
In addition to fending off Milo's leering innuendo, she knew how to vamp an extended inning.
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Non productive outs...ugh
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Valbuena...WOW!
9-7 Astros
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well, now Altuve can only get one rbi this at bat. how greedy of valbuena.
pitching change.
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Valbuena makes reaching the upper deck look real damn easy.
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Valbuena with an instant replay of last night's smash!
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Oh my God.
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Valbuena makes reaching the upper deck look real damn easy.
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I can hear Diaz and Iannetta now...
Diaz: you TOLD me to throw the fastball!
Iannetta: I didn't tell you to hit the fucking bat with hit!
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Valbuena makes reaching the upper deck look real damn easy.
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Stewardess on that one
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Can't sneak the cheese by Val these days.
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That was so satisfying. You kept thinking: Jesus, if any of these guys catch up to it...
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Between last night and tonight, I'm starting to think someone out there in RF pissed him off.
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Gregerson, not Harris, for the 9th. Harris has gone 3 straight days.
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Lemme guess, that one was 424 feet, right?
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Valbuena! has been a large part of the turnaround this season with his bat. He contributes defensively too. I'm in no rush to see anyone else at third right now.
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Marisnick is a funny guy.
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If Marisnick is going to catch gregerson, we may need a few more insurance runs.
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If Marisnick is going to catch gregerson, we may need a few more insurance runs.
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And I'll need a few more beers
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B8:
Castro doubles off the LCF wall
Marisnick in to run for Castro
Springer strikes out swinging
Valbuena with another MONSTER drive into the upper tank! Marisnick scores
Diaz out...Benoit Balls in...
Altuve grounds out 6-3
Correa doubles to LF
Rasmus strikes out...Platinum Sombrero
But...Astros take a 9-7 lead to the 9th
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Not happening. Haphaestus has the 9th behind the plate
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I was wanting to see Gomez up one more time.
I bet you never thought THAT would be said by anyone this season.
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Edwin Diaz, the M's Michael Feliz...
Yeah, you called that one.
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And I'll need a few more beers
How do four pitch walks factor into the beer need calculus?
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Fucking Gregerson. God he makes me nervous.
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Eight straight balls by Gregerson brings up Cano as the winning run
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Balls
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I take it back. I DON'T want to see Gomez again.
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I was wanting to see Gomez up one more time.
I bet you never thought THAT would be said by anyone this season.
you just might.
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Cano doubles...9-8 with runners at 2B and 3B and one out
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Third walk of the inning loads the bases with two out...
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I don't like that walk.
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I don't like that walk.
Not with two 4 pitch walks already this inning...
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The club needs to inform the scoreboard operator not to update the inning to read 9th if gregorson is ever handed the ball for it again.
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Yeah baby!. Damn that Mariner line up is tough
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T9:
Gregerson in...
Marte grounds out 4-3
Martin...3-0...walks on four pitches
Smith walks on four pitches
Robertson in to run for Smith
Cano doubles off the LF wall on the first pitch, Martin scores, Marte to 3B
Cruz...infield in...strikes out swinging
Seager draws intentional walk to load the bases
Lee strikes out swinging
Astros finally win 9-8!
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YES!
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let's hope that was the "bad" pitching we see for a couple weeks.
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I don't like that walk.
Normally I don't like that either. But Seager has owned Gregerson in his career, and Lee is a free swinging righty who struggles with sliders.
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Another game picked up on the Rangers.
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Really nice to not let that game slip away.
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let's hope that was the "bad" pitching we see for a couple weeks.
Well, I thought Hinch had learned the lesson about Gregerson as closer, but I guess not.
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Another game picked up on the Rangers.
Not that we're paying attention.
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Well, I thought Hinch had learned the lesson about Gregerson as closer, but I guess not.
Neshek?
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Neshek?
Somebody. Anybody.
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Somebody. Anybody.
Or just tell Harris he's pitching until his arm falls off.
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Really nice to not let that game slip away.
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Indeed! Squandered a 5-run lead and a 3-run lead... Clearly we should've started with a 2-run lead!
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Or just tell Harris he's pitching until his arm falls off.
I would consider switching Gregerson and Giles at this point. If nothing else, it gives you an extra inning to recover from Gregerson's contribution. But Giles is still a bit of a roller-coaster ride, too.
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I would consider switching Gregerson and Giles at this point. If nothing else, it gives you an extra inning to recover from Gregerson's contribution. But Giles is still a bit of a roller-coaster ride, too.
As it turned out, Gregerson was the perfect guy to pitch to Cruz and Lee. But they're lucky they still had a chance at that point. There's no reason that either of those guys should have hit in the 9th.
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Even when Gomez has started really helping, the sarcasm and negativity continues. He had a come to Jesus meeting when he went down. Give him credit for changing.
Gregerson scared the crap out of me tonight. Eight straight balls to pitch to Cano, Cruz, Lee.
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Gomez was an MVP candidate in 2013 and 2014; the idea that he can't be a key piece on this team insane (especially preferring Marisnick).
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Gomez was an MVP candidate in 2013 and 2014; the idea that he can't be a key piece on this team insane (especially preferring Marisnick).
It doesn't matter because you already think I'm crazy, but...I've said it before and I'll say it again...I like having Marisnick on this team. I can't put my finger on it or explain it, but I like the makeup of the team with him.
That said, I'll certainly give Gomez credit where credit is due. He's played much better lately, and had a terrific game last night.
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It doesn't matter because you already think I'm crazy, but...I've said it before and I'll say it again...I like having Marisnick on this team. I can't put my finger on it or explain it, but I like the makeup of the team with him.
That said, I'll certainly give Gomez credit where credit is due. He's played much better lately, and had a terrific game last night.
I think a lot of the value for Marisnick is on the bench. Last night him putting on catching gear was funny. I think he keeps the team loose. I find value in that. Plus, he's great on the bases and can play a pretty good outfield.
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Marisnick plays an essential role on this team. Without him, there'd be nobody to throw water on the guy who hit the home run.
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Marisnick plays an essential role on this team. Without him, there'd be nobody to throw water on the guy who hit the home run.
I'm sure Altuve would do it. If he weren't the guy who hit the home run.
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It doesn't matter because you already think I'm crazy, but...I've said it before and I'll say it again...I like having Marisnick on this team. I can't put my finger on it or explain it, but I like the makeup of the team with him.
That said, I'll certainly give Gomez credit where credit is due. He's played much better lately, and had a terrific game last night.
I like having him as the 4th OFer too.
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Gomez was an MVP candidate in 2013 and 2014; the idea that he can't be a key piece on this team insane (especially preferring Marisnick).
Gomez isn't a bad ballplayer, and he's played better lately, but he strikes me as someone who is a clubhouse cancer. In my opinion, he doesn't play the game the right way. Clubhouses are very fragile things. It only takes one bad actor to screw up the works. I didn't like the trade for him when it was made, even if Gomez had been performing at 2013-14 levels because of his character. I like Marisnick on the bench as a fourth outfielder too.
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Gomez has played better lately, but he looked like an idiot last night prancing and preening after he scored and bumping into the catcher that was trying to, you know, play baseball.
It is easier to look past the latter when he is actually hitting his weight (barely).
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Gomez isn't a bad ballplayer, and he's played better lately, but he strikes me as someone who is a clubhouse cancer. In my opinion, he doesn't play the game the right way. Clubhouses are very fragile things. It only takes one bad actor to screw up the works. I didn't like the trade for him when it was made, even if Gomez had been performing at 2013-14 levels because of his character. I like Marisnick on the bench as a fourth outfielder too.
in the opinion of his teammates, everywhere he has played, he is the direct opposite of a clubhouse cancer or a bad actor. he is very popular in the clubhouse. there is absolutely nothing wrong with his character. I get it you do not like the hot dogging he does, but watch Altuve or Correa every now and then.
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Gomez isn't a bad ballplayer, and he's played better lately, but he strikes me as someone who is a clubhouse cancer. In my opinion, he doesn't play the game the right way. Clubhouses are very fragile things. It only takes one bad actor to screw up the works. I didn't like the trade for him when it was made, even if Gomez had been performing at 2013-14 levels because of his character. I like Marisnick on the bench as a fourth outfielder too.
I don't like the way he plays either, but I don't think he's necessarily a clubhouse cancer. His teammates seem to like him, and I think he's generally a fun guy to be around. I just think he acts like a douchebag on the field.
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I don't like the way he plays either, but I don't think he's necessarily a clubhouse cancer. His teammates seem to like him, and I think he's generally a fun guy to be around. I just think he acts like a douchebag on the field.
Same here.
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I don't like the way he plays either, but I don't think he's necessarily a clubhouse cancer. His teammates seem to like him, and I think he's generally a fun guy to be around. I just think he acts like a douchebag on the field.
Having a guy like Gomez is a new experience for the Astros. I don't remember ever having a flamboyant character like him. Perhaps I'm just overlooking some but the Astros have always been a business-like bunch. That is probably, as much as anything, what I found difficult about him. Particularly when he was sucking eggs. I never had any feeling about whether the team liked him or not.
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Marisnick was a better hitter when he played regularly, and because I like him I'd like to see him getting at-bats. I'm glad Gomez is out there, and I generally like his enthusiasm.
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Having a guy like Gomez is a new experience for the Astros. I don't remember ever having a flamboyant character like him. Perhaps I'm just overlooking some but the Astros have always been a business-like bunch. That is probably, as much as anything, what I found difficult about him. Particularly when he was sucking eggs. I never had any feeling about whether the team liked him or not.
uhm, JOSE LIMA?
Next subject.
Gomez is the absolute opposite of a clubhouse cancer. Where in the world do some of you come up with this stuff? His teammates have been pretty vocal about how much they love the guy.
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Marisnick was a better hitter when he played regularly, and because I like him I'd like to see him getting at-bats. I'm glad Gomez is out there, and I generally like his enthusiasm.
Agreed Marisnick would be a better hitter with more at bats, but he's not going to ever be a good hitter. I think he's a better outfielder than Gomez, and gets to balls that Gomez does not, so I think they would save more runs on defense with Marisnick.
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uhm, JOSE LIMA?
Next subject.
Gomez is the absolute opposite of a clubhouse cancer. Where in the world do some of you come up with this stuff? His teammates have been pretty vocal about how much they love the guy.
Um2, Joaquin Andujar.
I did not like all the dabbing early in the year either, but after he went down and got told clearly what must change, he has been appropriate. Do not talked to me about bat flipping unless you are prepared to say all bat flippers, which includes Springer, are douchebags.
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Um2, Joaquin Andujar.
I did not like all the dabbing early in the year either, but after he went down and got told clearly what must change, he has been appropriate. Do not talked to me about bat flipping unless you are prepared to say all bat flippers, which includes Springer, are douchebags.
I don't care about a bat flip, but standing around watching when your ass should be moving drives me crazy
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I don't care about a bat flip, but standing around watching when your ass should be moving drives me crazy
No matter who does it?
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No matter who does it?
Of course. He's just slightly worse than Valbuena in watching when he should be running. There might be others I have missed, but they too should be running.
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uhm, JOSE LIMA?
If Gomez would just start talking to his bat . . .
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in the opinion of his teammates, everywhere he has played, he is the direct opposite of a clubhouse cancer or a bad actor. he is very popular in the clubhouse. there is absolutely nothing wrong with his character. I get it you do not like the hot dogging he does, but watch Altuve or Correa every now and then.
There are a couple of ways a player can be a clubhouse cancer. He can be disruptive, which Gomez doesn't seem to be. I think that Gomez is a cancer because of his hot dog ways. He's now an older player, and I don't like the example he sets for younger players. I don't think that he plays the game the right way, but that's just me.
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I was more annoyed by his shtick when he was one of the worst players in baseball. I like him, personally, and judging by the quality of play, I don't see how you can indict him for being a bad influence.
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Reed looked pretty good around the bag last night and he had a good vertical on the Cruz chopper. He has to be pushing 300 real hard. I'm guessing that multiple people (agent , GM, wife) have told him that he needs to drop at least 50 in order to maximize his talent.
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I was more annoyed by his shtick when he was one of the worst players in baseball. I like him, personally, and judging by the quality of play, I don't see how you can indict him for being a bad influence.
The quality of his play is irrelevant to me; it's how he plays that annoys me. He showboats, admires (sometimes shots that aren't worth admiring), etc. Any pitcher in the good old days would have given him a shave if he pulled some of the crap that he pulls. He's on our team, so I wish him all the best and am glad that he's been much better lately. However, I don't just give him a license to be an a-hole with the other team either. Play the game the right way. That's all I'm saying.
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There are a couple of ways a player can be a clubhouse cancer. He can be disruptive, which Gomez doesn't seem to be. I think that Gomez is a cancer because of his hot dog ways. He's now an older player, and I don't like the example he sets for younger players. I don't think that he plays the game the right way, but that's just me.
Nonsense
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Nonsense
Okay.
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I mean that judging from the team's quality of play he's not a bad influence. But yeah, fine, Hap don't like him. O.K.
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I think it's just the way the game is now. It evolves. The younger players like to have fun and express themselves in ways the previous generation did not. We (yes, i'm talking to myself as well) can either accept it and move on, or piss and moan about it like crotchety old men. I mean, Springer dances like a fool in the dugout after everything he does. Just because it's not on the field doesn't mean he's invisible to the other team or the fans. Nobody complains about it. I'm just not going to worry about all the bat flipping and all that jazz anymore. It's the game. I accept it.
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I think it's just the way the game is now. It evolves. The younger players like to have fun and express themselves in ways the previous generation did not. We (yes, i'm talking to myself as well) can either accept it and move on, or piss and moan about it like crotchety old men. I mean, Springer dances like a fool in the dugout after everything he does. Just because it's not on the field doesn't mean he's invisible to the other team or the fans. Nobody complains about it. I'm just not going to worry about all the bat flipping and all that jazz anymore. It's the game. I accept it.
Good post. Springer is white. So is Mark Fridrych (sp?) he was colorful. Lima was a hot dog who did not play the game right.
There is a lot of prejudice in the game against so many Latin players. We hear it every ST.
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I think Springer's father is African American. Not important, just saying.
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I think it's just the way the game is now. It evolves. The younger players like to have fun and express themselves in ways the previous generation did not. We (yes, i'm talking to myself as well) can either accept it and move on, or piss and moan about it like crotchety old men. I mean, Springer dances like a fool in the dugout after everything he does. Just because it's not on the field doesn't mean he's invisible to the other team or the fans. Nobody complains about it. I'm just not going to worry about all the bat flipping and all that jazz anymore. It's the game. I accept it.
I guess that you're right.
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I think Springer's father is African American. Not important, just saying.
Could be, but he does not identify or present as black. The discrimination point is valid. "Playing the game the right way" means something different in Latin America. Here among baseball lifers it often is code for prejudice.
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Yes, Springer is biracial. No, it's not important.
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Could be, but he does not identify or present as black. The discrimination point is valid. "Playing the game the right way" means something different in Latin America. Here among baseball lifers it often is code for prejudice.
Sadly, you're right.
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Could be, but he does not identify or present as black. The discrimination point is valid. "Playing the game the right way" means something different in Latin America. Here among baseball lifers it often is code for prejudice.
Someone did a study on this recently, and found that a majority of the time, it was exactly this: white guys, like Brian McCann, getting all pissed off and violent toward Latino guys (like Gomez) for not playing the game "the right way."
I mean, didn't Willie Mays rub some people the wrong way every time he made a basket catch? It's the same thing, really.
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Could be, but he does not identify or present as black.
Exactly what actions would he have to take to "present" as black?
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I think it's less a question of actions than skin tone, Pink.
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Exactly what actions would he have to take to "present" as black?
No actions. Appearance. The rank and file person who does not know his family history will think he is white.
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No actions. Appearance. The rank and file person who does not know his family history will think he is white.
Thanks for clarifying. I always thought he had the same skin tone as Blake Griffin and assumed he was half but never knew for sure.
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Thanks for clarifying. I always thought he had the same skin tone as Blake Griffin and assumed he was half but never knew for sure.
I did not know. The Dusky Warrior.
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He's also had a speech impediment that he's had to overcome since he was a child, as long as we're talking about shit that has no bearing on him as a player.
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Wow, I knew Springer was bi-racial the first time I saw him after being drafted. I thought it was kind of neat because I have a couple of nephews who are mixed. And since then I have seen his parents on the field at least once and being interviewed in the stands on multiple occasions, most recently on Fathers Day. He has two sisters too. I'm sure he identifies as the child of a white mom and a black father. Bi-racial couples are common now-a-days. Why I believe the president was the product of such a union. None of which has anything to do with baseball playing.
Also, I have grown to not dislike Carlos Gomez, I wish he was as good as billed. And I got no problem with bat flips. However, the conflict between him and Brian McCann wasn't a random event and it had nothing to do with his ethnicity. Carlos behavior prior to hitting the home run was that of a shit ass, his behavior running around the bases after he hit that home run was that of a shit ass. Carlos even had his agent write a sincere apology for him. Check the tape.
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He's also had a speech impediment that he's had to overcome since he was a child, as long as we're talking about shit that has no bearing on him as a player.
That explains why he supports the organiztion that he does. I love George.
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That explains why he supports the organiztion that he does. I love George.
Great article: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/73428538/astros-outfielder-george-springer-overcame-stutter/